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Old 04-03-2019, 02:46 PM
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This came in for repairs and I noticed these stamps. I think the factory repaired it long ago but I'm curious what these are.
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European proof marks...

Someone will come along that knows more..
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Don't know but I fixed the picture for you
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Thank you for fixing the pic. I'm a gunsmith not a Techie..
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I think that the one following "LA" is a staghorn ... it would be great if I could explain the significance but cannot. I've seen that before while researching something... an old drilling maybe?
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They are German. FFM Frankfort? Here are some proofmarks from HK..and that's IA.. 1980The Symbols on HK Firearms
VB FL. Vero Beach Florida.. importer..?
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German C.I.P. proof marks:

German eagle with N = Normal = Nitro proof
On the barrel, the frame
and there should be a 3. stamp on the cylinder...

C.I.P. proofed in IA = 80 = 1980
in the Proof House Ulm (the "antler")
Beschussamt Ulm - Staatliche Stelle f"ur Beschusswesen und Sicherheitstechnik

ENGELS FFM = (Waffen-) Engels, Frankfurt/Main
gaspistole, waffen, zoraki, gaswaffe, schreckschuss

Here you can download the C.I.P. proofmarks
Old proof marks | Drupal

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Thanks for the info.. I knew someone had the knowledge..
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I think the factory repaired it long ago but I'm curious what these are.
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As noted this gun was shipped and proofed in Germany and then returned to the US..
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There were a lot of US-soldiers in the Rhein/Main Aera
(...before the "Mauerfall")

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got it for my father in April 1979 from...Waffen-Engels

2). Happy Hunter (My father = "Schwein gehabt" !)

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There were a lot of US-soldiers in the Rhein/Main Aera
(...before the "Mauerfall")

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got it for my father in April 1979 from...Waffen-Engels

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here are the proof marks on my 1969 model 60. It was purchased in Germany at a Rod and Hunt club and I bought it from the original owner. As I understand it, Germany would not sell a gun unless it passed their proofing with higher than standard loads.


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Your M 60 was C.I.P. proofed here:
Bayerische Beschussverwaltung - Beschussamt M"unchen

The C.I.P. "pressure specs" for 38 Special (scroll down)
CIP - Homologation

Under "TDCC" (choose language EN) you can download
the cartridge(max) & chamber(min) dimensions

...and compare it with
SAAMI


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Your M 60 was C.I.P. proofed here:
Bayerische Beschussverwaltung - Beschussamt M"unchen

The C.I.P. "pressure specs" for 38 Special (scroll down)
CIP - Homologation

Under "TDCC" (choose language EN) you can download
the cartridge(max) & chamber(min) dimensions

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SAAMI

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