Box abbreviations
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Jack Flash
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I think those "V"s are actually check marks. That is, the checkbox for TH (Target Hammer) and WO (White Outline for the rear sight) are checked, indicating the revolver has those features. The TT means Target Trigger but I could only guess why the checkbox is marked SM.
For Stocks (often called Grips) the T would mean "Target". Whether the S means "Smooth" or something else, we will need to wait for another member to clarify that.
For Stocks (often called Grips) the T would mean "Target". Whether the S means "Smooth" or something else, we will need to wait for another member to clarify that.
Nframe_is_no1
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Jack Flash is correct. ST means square target. The Vs are check marks. Never heard of SM.
MrG5122
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Maybe 'smooth'?
Nframe_is_no1
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You might be right. Didn’t think of that!
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Jack Flash
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Interesting letter, thanks for posting it.
I have to say, I thought a single letter S meant "Standard", that is, standard magnas not targets. Furthermore I thought pretty much all N-Frames were square butts at that time, so the designation "Square" would be redundant / unnecessary. Did Factory-Made Round Butt Targets even exist back in the day?
Well, it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong!
Can someone confirm that S&W box labels often have the "Stocks" area marked "TS" for "Target Stocks" instead of the single letter T?
I have to say, I thought a single letter S meant "Standard", that is, standard magnas not targets. Furthermore I thought pretty much all N-Frames were square butts at that time, so the designation "Square" would be redundant / unnecessary. Did Factory-Made Round Butt Targets even exist back in the day?
Well, it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong!
Can someone confirm that S&W box labels often have the "Stocks" area marked "TS" for "Target Stocks" instead of the single letter T?
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What model or frame is this, K, N?
If I'm reading this correctly, it says ST in stock, TH is checked, and SM is in TT? Says "RR" in front sight too?
Is there a label with a ten digit number on the other end of the box, what is it?
I'm guessing your revolver has a red ramp front sight, white outline rear, target hammer, smooth (note serrated) target trigger and speedloader cut out (not extractor/football) target stocks.
I apologize for being so abrupt this morning posting this request. I really appreciate all the help from you all. Pretty sure I have enough info now to figure it all out. STOCK ST= Smooth Target, TH= Target Hammer, TT= Smooth metal, WO= White Outline I was interested in finding out this info cause it's on the blue box of a 19-3 Texas Ranger Commemorative I just bought. Thanks to all for your help. Great folks on this S & W sight.
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No. ST is "square butt target."
Corrected my post. Thank you
25 with N (nickel finish),TT (target Trigger), TH (Target Hammer), RR (red ramp), WO (white outline), TS (target stocks)
Special order as it has a Spec Ord # (but I have no idea what that order entailed)
Special order as it has a Spec Ord # (but I have no idea what that order entailed)
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Jack Flash
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For some reason I got the idea this box was for an N-Frame. In post #9 we see it is an M19-3, a K-Frame. But I still wonder if there were factory Round Butt Target Stocks in production at that time, for K- or N-Frames.
If so, why does the box shown in post #12 have "TS" for Stock? Does this really stand for "Targets, Square Butt" and we have been wrong all along thinking it means "Target Stocks"? Or is this just another example of inconsistent nomenclature at S&W?
If so, why does the box shown in post #12 have "TS" for Stock? Does this really stand for "Targets, Square Butt" and we have been wrong all along thinking it means "Target Stocks"? Or is this just another example of inconsistent nomenclature at S&W?
Revolver feature codes were reassigned in 2004. On page 200 & 201 SCS&W 4th is a list. On that list is TS - Target Stocks. Post 12 shows a pre printed label. Here are 2 pics I have of a hand written 29-2 label and Reg. Mag commerative pre printed label. The Reg. Mag is from 1985 and 29-2 from 1977.
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Jack
I might be wrong about this, but in the early 1980s the company moved to a different label that was, I think, computer generated. That is what you are seeing in Post #12. I have an ANIB Model 24-3 that shipped in November, 1983, and has that same label on the box end. It says TS for the stocks. I believe it may mean "Target Stocks" but that is different from what was written on the old labels that relied on handwritten marks.
On the older labels, my boxes have either R or S handwritten in the stocks part of the label, denoting either round or square butt. If it was a square butt gun that shipped with target stocks, the T was added after the S. I own and have looked at enough boxes to be quite convinced this is the case. Also, several years back, I asked Roy about the S and he said it meant "square."
I might be wrong about this, but in the early 1980s the company moved to a different label that was, I think, computer generated. That is what you are seeing in Post #12. I have an ANIB Model 24-3 that shipped in November, 1983, and has that same label on the box end. It says TS for the stocks. I believe it may mean "Target Stocks" but that is different from what was written on the old labels that relied on handwritten marks.
On the older labels, my boxes have either R or S handwritten in the stocks part of the label, denoting either round or square butt. If it was a square butt gun that shipped with target stocks, the T was added after the S. I own and have looked at enough boxes to be quite convinced this is the case. Also, several years back, I asked Roy about the S and he said it meant "square."
Jack Flash
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Very interesting discussion. I never really cared much about boxes. If one came with a gun I bought, it unceremoniously went into the box of boxes. I will have to pull some of those out and compare them to information here.
Changes S&W made in 2004 and beyond would be outside my area of interest.
Changes S&W made in 2004 and beyond would be outside my area of interest.
Interesting and informative for sure. I forgot to mention in post 14 that the 29-2 label only has a T in the stock box. When hand written I'm sure they weren't thinking 40-50 years ahead and wondering what we would be thinking about it.
RGNewell
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That is a Texas Ranger special addition. The SM is for smooth trigger, It came with a smooth combat trigger. The ST is for Smooth Target. The V's are check marks and as previously stated the WO is white outline.What do these mean: STOCK: ST, TH: V, TT: SM, WO: V
Jack Flash
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I see Roland has posted a picture of the label, thanks for that Roland.
You probably know the RR means the front sight has a Red Ramp insert.
I wonder what the BT for Finish means. Obviously, B is Blue, but the T means what? Texas?
You probably know the RR means the front sight has a Red Ramp insert.
I wonder what the BT for Finish means. Obviously, B is Blue, but the T means what? Texas?
BT means Bright Blue finish. The T is part of the serial number range for this Commemorative. TR1- TR10000.
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