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Default Please offer a value estimate: 27-2, 3½", S282610

This is not a safe queen.

I've been asked to give the gentleman a fair offer.

I want to be fair to him and to me.

His phone photos aren't studio quality, but I believe you can get an idea.

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Bob, from just 5pics, looks like a nice shooter. Fair and safe, $700-$750.
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Really hard to tell what is wear and what are reflections. I agree with Mike’s value estimate for the gun but those Special Target stocks add a chunk of value, so I would say $1000-1100.
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She's wearing a decent looking set of cokes, that might up the ante a little -

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Bob, I would think $750-850 depending how it felt in my hand but I value shooters lower than many people. Al
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Bob,
My best guess would be $1,000 to $1,200.00.
I gave some value for the "S" serial number and some for the "coke" grips.
What you determine you can do to clean up the gun in grips is the real variable. Good luck to you.
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Alan, I was on the fence about the Cokes. But now that you mention it,
they dont look bad, but would need way more pics. We all look for those nice pointed diamonds in the field. And a bottom view of that nice oval shape seals it. Still $750 for both parties would be fair.
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What is the mechanical condition? That would also impact an offer. I hope everything checks out ok and you make a deal!
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I’d offer $700, but be willing to go $1000.
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Ok, if you owned it, how many of you would sell it for $1000? The cokes are $500-$700 by themselves and it is an S sn 3.5 inch 27-2. Shooter grade for sure but where I shop there is no way I'd find one for $1000 wearing rubber grips much less a decent set of cokes.

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I think one of the keys to business success is always leaving something on the table. Call it good will.
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From the almost invisible turn line and clean cut stop notches, I would say that M27 has hardly been shot! I think the stocks are earlier than the gun, so probably a bonus replacement of the Magna stocks it probably shipped with.

So, I'd say around a $1000, or maybe a bit more. A good cleaning and some wax and it will look much better!

Oh, by the way, I have a Model 29-2 that has an S282xxx serial that I bought new in early 1968.
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I would have a difficult time keeping my poker face on offering $750. I think a grand would be nice. Then I'd slap some period correct magnas on it and put the cokes on my early model 57.
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Ok, if you owned it, how many of you would sell it for $1000? The cokes are $500-$700 by themselves and it is an S sn 3.5 inch 27-2. Shooter grade for sure but where I shop there is no way I'd find one for $1000 wearing rubber grips much less a decent set of cokes.

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To wit, when was the last time anyone here listed a 27-2 remotely like this for less than $1k here on the forum for sale? Safe to say, not this decade and probably well longer than that.
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If I were offered the that gun for up to $1000, there would be burn marks on my wallet from pulling it out so fast!
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$750??!! YGBSM.

Nobody on this forum would take less than $1000 if that were their gun with magnas, much less Cokes.

As noted, the stocks alone are worth at least $500. Hard to tell on the gun with the pics provided, but it looks like it might clean up nice. When was the last time anyone saw an S numbered 3.5" M27 for less than $1000 that still had most of it's original finish?
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Ok, if you owned it, how many of you would sell it for $1000? The cokes are $500-$700 by themselves and it is an S sn 3.5 inch 27-2. Shooter grade for sure but where I shop there is no way I'd find one for $1000 wearing rubber grips much less a decent set of cokes.

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+1. Overall a nice and very desirable 3-1/2" Model 27-2 from about 1967 wearing Cokes. Sure, the finish shows some wear, but there's hardly a turn line on the cylinder. Even the SCSW 4th Ed. adds value premiums for early S-prefix 27-2s and for 3-1/2" bbl. The "GA diamond center checkered Coke Bottle stocks with extractor relief cut" are original and in very nice condition. I'm thinking $1400 at a gun show, but $1200 might be the buddy price.
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If that was my gun I wouldn't take a penny under $1500.00! I would think that that would be a very good deal for somebody. With the Coke grips, and a S series 3 1/2" Model 27 l would be happy to buy it at that price as well. But, then again the 3 1/2" Magnum or the later Model 27 Is my favorite Model Smith & Wesson.
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The OP admitted this gun was not a safe queen. And we got to view four pics from a cell phone. Its a run of the mill shooter grade M-27. If it had been on the table of a show or shop, you could do a hands on inspection.
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Between 700 to 1000.
Consider that lately I have seen Cokes grips reach 500/700 dollars on eBay.
If they are not his numbered ones you can consider selling them and replacing them with Magna ones.
I would keep them, but if you have to recover money for the purchase it could be a solution.
At that point you'll have paid the Model 27 from $200 to $500 or less
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If someone on this forum was selling that gun as it sits, the price would easily be $1500. If the finish is a bit rough, maybe you offer your pal $1200. People pay hefty premiums for these short barrel 27s.
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Rough, dented, cracked, chipped or poorly re-paired Cokes do not bring that much. I have seen perfect sets sell for $1000+. With nice sharp points on the checking.
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Great deal for you 800-1000. Fair deal for both of you 1050-1200.
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I would offer a reasonable value. Cokes = $500. Gun W/O cokes = $700. So $1200 would be a fair offer.
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None of us have examined this gun personally. We are all working off of four cell phone pics. None of us know about the function or condition of the internals. What does it look like under those grips? We all know a slight tilt of the gun can hide a myriad of flaws. Leave yourself a little bit of room if anything needs to be corrected. All these prices reflect a perfectly functioning gun. Its nothing rare or scarce. It a revolver with some checkering on the top. Wow, big deal.
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I think it all depends on how much you want it. In 2014 I paid $1000 for a very early N serial numbered 27-2, 3 1/2” on Gunbroker with lousy pictures like this. I did it because I wanted one and they are hard to find. I ended up very satisfied with my purchase. If you have the ability to see this gun first, then that will make the decision easier. $1500 is very reasonable for both parties if the gun does not have bad freckling which is hard to tell from these pictures.
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I thank everyone very much for their replies and opinions.

I gathered up all your thoughts in my mind and called the owner.
Well, I called the owner's husband. I made my offer, and he seemed
willing, but he called back to say, "It's my wife's gun, and she
doesn't want to sell it."

I guess the best we did here was document another one for the
S database.

ps: it was charged to the advertising account and shipped on
June 23, 1966, to Walter Lookabaugh, S&W's sales rep in Los
Angeles. It came from the estate of Ben Alexander later in the
'60s after he passed so it's easy to imagine it was yet another
gift to Mr. Alexander from the company. Ben played Officer
Frank Smith on the "DRAGNET" radio and tv shows till 1959.
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Please forgive me, I have a habit of viewing guns thru the logical eyes of an old dealer. No emotion at all. If it does not have freckling, my point.
Can not be detected by a few pics. What if it does have freckling?
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Great deal for you 800-1000. Fair deal for both of you 1050-1200.
This^^^^^
The fact that seller is asking buyer for an offer tells me he doesn’t know how to sell it or doesn’t want to be bothered. There is value in that for the seller. Buyer is making it easy and a discount should be extended. No different than trading in your car. You take less because it’s easy.
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Offer start at 850. You can go to 950 if you need to.
Let him make the call. You can both feel fine w that.
It's your money going out to the seller.
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Bob,
Thanks for the backstory on the gun. Sure made it an interesting part of Smith & Wesson sales and history.
Now for the rest of the story. You collected a lot of opinions and valuations, what did you finally settle on offering?
Have a great day and good luck next time.
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Saw Mod 27-2 3.5" on two gun auctions yesterday go for $1200-1500.
of course there is no mention of this gun's mechanics. Under $1,000 is a steal .
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I know this is basically mute now, but I was going to ask the membership what they would offer for the revolver sans the grips. My answer would have been $650-700 if I wanted it.
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I know this is basically mute now, but I was going to ask the membership what they would offer for the revolver sans the grips. My answer would have been $650-700 if I wanted it.
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It looks like a $1k gun to me even without the grips. I would want to handle it first but I see very few decent N frames, much less S sn 3.5 27-2s, for less than $1k. Eight years ago I bought one that appears comparable to the one under discussion (without cokes of course) but which did have a driver's license number engraved under the magna stocks, for $700. I later traded it even for a 4 inch 16-4. I would be very surprised to find either that 27-2 or a 16-4 today for less than $1k and would expect either to be tagged north of $1200.

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When prompted by the seller to make an offer, I always tell seller that I'm not in a position to make an offer on his/her possession. However, to make an offer and then be told the seller does not have the authority to represent the gun is a major disappoint and borders on disrespect.
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I went the cheap route. $800. He seemed okay till he told his wife.

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Full disclosure and in all fairness to the gentleman.

I bought a S&W revolver he'd sold to a shop. The Chiefs Special
from 1954 was engraved BEN ALEXANDER. (photo)

I was curious about its past so I ask one of the guys at the shop
to ask the previous owner to call me.

Quite the gentleman -- 79 years old -- he did call, and he gave
the Chiefs' ownership history to me -- Ben's estate to this
gentleman's father in the '60s to him. Very nice to know.

After we'd finished discussing my Chiefs Special he asked if I'd
be interested in a S&W .357. He said it was his wife's and she
wasn't home but knew he was going to ask me. Her instruction
was, "You better get more than you did for the other one."

I guess she thought my offer was low, and according to many
here, they agree.

It's history, now. I have no regrets, and sure don't think ill of
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I thank everyone very much for their replies and opinions.

I gathered up all your thoughts in my mind and called the owner.
Well, I called the owner's husband. I made my offer, and he seemed
willing, but he called back to say, "It's my wife's gun, and she
doesn't want to sell it."

I guess the best we did here was document another one for the
S database.

ps: it was charged to the advertising account and shipped on
June 23, 1966, to Walter Lookabaugh, S&W's sales rep in Los
Angeles. It came from the estate of Ben Alexander later in the
'60s after he passed so it's easy to imagine it was yet another
gift to Mr. Alexander from the company. Ben played Officer
Frank Smith on the "DRAGNET" radio and tv shows till 1959.
How do you find all the background info
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The key is the Smith & Wesson Collectors Association.

The key can open many doors.
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You “experts” can be very confusing. The last thread I was just reading you told a guy his 4” nickel 13 was worth 700-800 dollars then you tell this guy a 3 1/2” 27 with cokes is maybe a 1000 dollar gun. You can’t play on both sides of the gun show table.
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You “experts” can be very confusing. The last thread I was just reading you told a guy his 4” nickel 13 was worth 700-800 dollars then you tell this guy a 3 1/2” 27 with cokes is maybe a 1000 dollar gun. You can’t play on both sides of the gun show table.
You are talking N frame value VS K frame value. Big difference. Not to mention the 3.5" 27 - 2 discussed has a 20% premium according to the S&W catalogue. For me It is all about condition for old revolvers.

I recently bought a 27 - 2 5" as new condition box, papers, tools unfired with a S serial number on Gunbroker believe it or not for $1.100. You can use that as a comparison for what it is worth.

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You are talking N frame value VS K frame value. Big difference. Not to mention the 3.5" 27 - 2 discussed has a 20% premium according to the S&W catalogue. For me It is all about condition for old revolvers.

I recently bought a 27 - 2 5" as new condition box, papers, tools unfired with a S serial number on Gunbroker believe it or not for $1.100. You can use that as a comparison for what it is worth.
That’s what I’m talking about. Around here you couldn’t give away a 4” nickel anything, unless you found a guy that collects nickel guns. That 27 wouldn’t have made it past Friday set up for $1000.00. Another dealer would’ve put it on their table for 1500 Saturday and it might have made it through the day.
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That 27 wouldn’t have made it past Friday set up for $1000.00. Another dealer would’ve put it on their table for 1500 Saturday and it might have made it through the day.
And that's after they took off the Cokes...
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