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Old 02-20-2009, 01:14 PM
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It must be my lucky day. I stopped at a very small gun show on the way home and picked up two boxes of Hornady 222 dia Rem Jet bullets for $15.
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Old 02-20-2009, 05:34 PM
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Way to go, Moosedog. Factory Jet ammo used small rifle primers. Lots of Jet data was put together with pistol primers, which was not the best choice.

Good luck. Let us know how you do.
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Buff thanks for saying that some one has down loaded a Jet load. I bet if a guy tinkered with a 53 load with a cast bullet some cobination will give decent results. I have always loaded lighter loads in a 41 and 44 they shot well probably better than I could hold.
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The photo below is taken of some reloaded ammo I was given at the local range. I do not have a clue as to origin of the lead bullets or the maker of the jacketed bullets. I have tried the Hornady Jet bullets and the Sierra .223 Hornet bullets and I have also found some Speer .223 bullets. I have not gotten acceptable accuracy from my reloads as of yet but I will try using small rifle primers next. I am new to Jets having bought my first one a year ago.

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don't know about the cast one,but the other one looks like some old herters bullets i have.
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The photo below is taken of some reloaded ammo I was given at the local range.
Goes without saying, I suppose, but don't shoot that stuff in your Model 53! Pull it down and save the cases. Don't trust your Jet to anyone's handloads except your own.
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I called Remington's Customer Service (1-800-243-9700, then select option 4) and spoke with Remington rep. Ms. Kiersten King regarding Remington's 40 gr. .222 Jet bullet.

Ms. King was both delightful and patient as I explained that the bullets are no longer available. I asked for a one-time run of Jet bullets so we can load for our revolvers. I also pointed out that Remington is still making Jet brass and so, please, produce a run of Jet bullets.

The deal is Kiersten sends this info up the Remington pipeline for consideration and a rep can contact me by phone for further information.

If any of you folks want Jet bullets it might be a good idea to give Kierston (or whomever) a call at the above number and put in a vote for these bullets. Maybe write a letter if that better suits you. I don't see that speaking up can hurt anything. Maybe we will get lucky.

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Old 02-21-2009, 03:00 AM
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Ooooohhhhh!!! Talking Jet bullets with a Kiersten! That sounds like a relationship with possibilities!

Lyman's 45th edition used a 6 inch M-53 to generate their data, listed below. They used one 40 grain softpoint Remington and 2 cast bullets.

A Lyman 225107 gas-checked bullet weighing 38 grains used:

Bullseye 2.0/1038 start, 3.5/1418 max.
Unique 3.5/1230 start, 5.5/1663 max.
2400 11.0/1872 start, 12.0/1698 max.
SR 4756 5.0/1285 start, 6.7/1675 max.
IMR 4227 11.0/1742 start, 13.5/2040/max.

Lyman often reported the most accurate load they ran across while developing their data, and for this bullet it was 3.5 Unique/1230 fps.

A Lyman 225438 gas-checked bullet weighing 45 grains used:

Bullseye 2.0/940 start, 3.5/1340 max.
Unique 3.5/1131 start, 5.0/1392 max.
2400 10.5/1745 start, 11.5/1897 max.
SR 4756 5.0/1285 start, 6.7/1675 max.
IMR 4227 11.0/1742 start, 13.5/1992 max.

Accuracy load was IMR 4227 13.0/1992 fps.

The accuracy load for the 40 grain Remington jacketed bullet was IMR 4227 11.0/1575 fps.

For many loads and calibers, they also offered a "factory duplication load." For this bullet, it was 12.0 2400/1937 fps. The Remington factory load clocked at 1937 fps in their Model 53.

While no two guns will probably like the exact same load best, be it factory or handload, I often found that the powders that produced the "accuracy load" in Lyman's test gun shot well in mine.

The Lyman 45th was my first reloading manual. It is a good one, and even though I bought mine in 1974, it's still a good source of information.
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BUFF - Thank you for posting the Lyman data. That info will be very helpful.

Here's some Jet handloading information I've picked up over the years. Maybe it can be useful to someone. FYI, my goal was finding a factory duplication load, not working with reduced loads.

The Jet is a 42,000 psi cartridge. The factory loaded primer is the Remington 6 1/2 small rifle. I expect other small rifle primers will work but I'd definetly start low and gradually work up after changing any loading component when working with the Jet cartridge. This is an intense little cartridge for a revolver and the Remington 6 1/2 rifle primer is needed to allow the cartridge to be loaded to its full potential.

I have no doubt that pistol primers work fine in low to mid-range Jet loads. You just can't duplicate full factory loads using them.

Shifting to powders, I wrote to DuPont and requested a factory duplication load for the Jet. They advised that they could not provide that information because the powder used in the Jet cartridge was a commercial grade not available to handloaders. They recommended IMR-4227 as the powder of choice.

2400 data indicates potential but in testing left too much powder residue in my guns. I have used H-110 with good results. I have no data for Winchester 296. There are safety restrictions with 296 and perhaps H-110 that need to be heeded. I intend to look into the potential of newer powders for loading the Jet.

Brass flow in Jet cases is significant. Cases should be checked before every loading for length and trimmed when needed. A fellow Jet loader told me this and I thought he was overstating the facts. He turned out to be dead on. I do not know if case necks thicken with use and require reaming or the number of loads to be expected from a typical Jet case.

For loading purposes, treat the Jet as a rimmed rifle case as full loads operate at rifle pressures. Rifle pressure loads are hard on revolvers so caution is important. Safe handloading practices and attention to detail are very important with this gun/cartridge combination.
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I have 34 boxes of 22 Jet Hornady bullets left out of 50 I ratholed years ago when a local store was going out of business. I use them in my Contenders and my 53. I have never had a problem with their accuracy. THe extra 22 inserts I picked up are perfect for use with Contender jet barrel.
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Old 02-21-2009, 01:10 PM
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I know I speak for all of us when I say "we hate you!"
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Old 02-21-2009, 02:29 PM
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No you don't I might will you my Jet....<vbg> and my bullets.
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charlies,

Thanks for your input on the Hornady bullets and the Contender. I have a Contender carbine in .22 Jet and I have not had much chance to work with it. I'm glad to hear my Model 53 inserts will work in a Contender barrel.

It sounds like you have loaded at least 1600 rounds of Jet ammo. Would you be willing to share your experience and results with the Forum? I think a number of us would be interested in what you have to say.
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Old 02-23-2009, 05:53 AM
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Another Jet story: Back in about 1977-1978, me and my best friend Dewey went rabbit hunting. I had my first Model 53, a 6 incher that was mechanically perfect but had been rusted on one side and then refinished. The pitting had been fairly severe, I guess, and it still looked like **** on the left side, so I got it cheap. I was a poor college boy at the time, so cheap was good!

The gun came nekkid, no box or .22 LR cylinder or inserts. I found some inserts in ShotGun News and had bought 6. We drove out into the desert near Tooele, Utah, found a spot where the highway was well marked with car-flattened jackrabbits, parked and then geared up.

I had the M-53 and buckled on a belt and holster for it. I loaded it with 3 Jet cartidges and 3 .22 LR cartridges, alternating chambers. I picked up my Ruger 10/22, he grabbed his Nylon 66 and off across the sagebrush we trekked.

We popped some jacks fairly quickly. They were holding until we were almost stepping on them and they didn't run far before stopping. I slung the little rifle and drew the S&W. I had closed the cylinder so that the first round to shoot would be a rimfire round, with the striker on the hammer so set.

On the next rabbit, Dewey missed his first shot, which was unusual, he's pretty good. The rabbit held up halfway up a hill, 25-35 yards away. I thumbcocked the Jet, drew a fine beat on Br'er Rabbit and got him. He flopped around a bit, not dieing quickly.

I thumbed the striker on the hammer to the centerfire position. Dewey, assuming it was a .22 LR pistol I often took along, said, "My shot!" I handed it to him, stepped back a step and pushed the foam plugs already in my ears a bit deeper and left my fingers in them.

"BAAAAAAAAAAAM!!!!!!" Those of you who have shot a Jet know to what I refer. The factory ammo in a .22 Remington Centerfire Magnum has to be experienced to be believed. It is the oddest combination of a huge, loud, high-pitched report accompanied by almost no recoil. There are few louder handguns.

Dewey nearly jumped out of his shirt!

I took the sixgun back and deftly slipped the striker back to rimfire as I cocked it for the next shot. "pow." Dewey was a little puzzled as I handed the gun back to him after descreetly working the striker again.

Dewey adjusted his ear plugs, making sure they were in his ears extra tight. Cocking it, he aimed in at the still-twitching rabbit and triggered another Jet round.

"BAAAAAAAAAAMM!!" Eyes wide, he stared at the gun in his hands.

"What are ya doing? Trying to break it?" I straight-faced.

Dewey cocked it again and pressed the trigger.

"click." The hammer dropped on the centerfire pin and the rimfire cartridge it hit didn't do anything. Dewey flinched badly, then looked concerned again.

"What did you do, break it?" I asked. He cocked it agian, bringing up the next Jet round and, already grimmacing, shot the gun again.

"BLAAAAAAAMM!!"

"Gimme that!" I said, and took the gun back. I cocked the hammer again, again pushing the striker to rimfire.

"pow."

Dewey demanded the gun back. He stared at the thing on both sides. He opened the cylinder. He stared at what he saw. He looked at me, slightly concerned, slightly puzzled. He ejected the 3 spent Jets and 3 inserts into his hand and looked at them. "What the **** is this?"

I lost it and laughed good and hard. It took a few minutes before I could explain what it was. I had to almost yell, because he said he couldn't hear me just talking.

When I got done, he said, "****. My ears are going to ring for a week."

They did.
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I am just cracking up over this with my morning coffee. Jet stories are often very funny and factory Jet rounds no doubt hard on jack rabbits.
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I liked your story....I too used to hunt jackrabbits in Utah (Utah Lake area) with a jet. I bought mine at Innes sporting goods in Prove in 1964 or 5 when I was a student at BYU. My room mare who had a 44 pre model 29 and I used to compare who had the most power meaning who good shoot through what...I always won with the Jet.
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My room mare who had a 44 pre model 29 and I used to compare who had the most power meaning who good shoot through what...I always won with the Jet.
Charlies - What was your roommate shooting in his 44 Magnum? Makes me wonder.
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The following is the Text of a couple of emails I sent off to the folks at Corbin Mfg & Supply, Inc. about the .22 Jet bullets:

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Subject: RE: Bullets for my .22 Remington "Jet" Magnum

I have become interested in looking into the idea of producing my own bullets for use in my Smith & Wesson Model 53. As there is only a single bullet - Hornady 40 grain #HRN 2210 - currently produced in this diameter and it isn't always available. The idea of using spent .22 rimfire cases is also interesting. What I'm looking for is a .222 diameter bullet of a Boattailed Spitzer design with a total weight between 40 and 50 grains; possibly with a cannelure. I already am able to add the cannelure because I have the tool for that purpose. I understand the basics of swaging bullets and have already done some many years ago. They were for use in a .38 Special but they proved to be excellent. I have an RCBS Rock Chucker Reloading Press and I know that this proved satisfactory for the .38 Special bullets. Can you advise me just what additional tools I would need to do this particular project? Sincerely, Me</span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Well, the easy way to do this is just to purchase a standard factory bullet in the weight and shape you want, and then get our BRD-1-R bullet reducing die for $179, push the .224 bullets through it and make them into .222 bullets. With only .002 reduction you'd have no problem with that. The other option would be to get our CSP-1 swage press and RBTO-4-S .222 rebated boattail open tip swage die set. I don't make conventional boattail dies as the rebated boattail gives you better performance and the dies do not have to cost quite as much either. But that option would be pushing $1400, so if you could do it with a simple reducing die, it might be more suitable to the volume you plan on making.

D.R. Corbin, President Corbin Mfg & Supply, Inc.
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600 Industrial Circle
White City, OR 97503</span>

<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Thanks for the information. Just one more question. Would the BRD-1-R die work in my RCBS Rock Chucker Press?

Thanks again,

Me</span>

<span class="ev_code_RED">Yes, it works in any standard over-the-counter reloading press that uses RCBS shell holders and 7/8-14 dies.

D.R. Corbin, President
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PO Box 2659, 600 Industrial Circle
White City, OR 97503</span>

I took a look at this information and at their website:

http://www.swagedies.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&S...tegory_Code=RDRAWDIE

I decided to go with the BRD-1-R<span class="ev_code_RED">C</span> because this one is designed for use with Boattailed bullets which I have always found to be a bit more accurate - sometimes a whole lot more depending upon caliber.


I ordered mine this morning.
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Please let us know how it works. I've been considering doing this for a while.

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I figured I'd report back. Right now I only have an outdoor Range where I can shoot my Model 53s so it may be some time before a report on shooting results.

I'm currently working on swaging a very large batch of .356-.358 bullets down to .355 but it is working very well. With the crazy prices for loading components being what it is I have decided to take these down in size and package them For Sale. Once I get enough done I'll figure out how many I can get into a USPS Flat Rate Priority Mail box and sell & ship them that way.
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Today's Chuckle:

Yesterday afternoon I called my Bride and asked her if she would make a stop at our local "Sporting Goods Store" - called "Joe's" but used to be GI Joe's - I told her I wanted a box of .224 diameter bullets, between 40 and 50 grains, spire pointed and boattailed. She walked back to the 'Gun Counter' and a Salesman asked her if she needed any help. She told him what she was looking for and he gave her nothing but a blank stare!!! She then said, "Just show me where you keep the bullets!" She picked up three or four boxes and then tried to give me a call because not all the brands offer a picture of the bullet on the box(I had left my cell up stairs so didn't hear her call - but then I would have had to look up the numbers myself to be sure) and she wasn't exactly sure what shape some of them were. She brought home a box of Noslers #39510 which was just fine.

I would have liked to have a bit heavier bullet because this is a 40 grainer but then it might be a good comparison because it is the same weight as the Hornady "Jet" bullets I normally load.

Before she left she did explain to the salesman what she was talking about. I guess the blank look left his face but I'm guessing he was still a bit astonished that a 'woman' would be able to "know" more about guns than he did!!!

We're into our 35th year of marriage and I'm beginning to think she is a "Keeper"!!!
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:18 PM
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Anyone who can stick with a Nam vet for 35 years deserves her own Jet...
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I've been getting much better results with a Lyman 44 gr. gas checked bullet than I did with either of the .223 Sierra bullets. I won't waste any more time with jacketed bullets. 5.0 gr of Unique with a pistol primer has worked quite well so far.
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Well, I guess it is time for a little bit of an update on this particular project. I was contacted by the folks at Corbin and they have requested a half dozen of the actual bullet that I plan on using for this project so they can make sure the new die is "correct".

I mentioned the Nosler bullets above as being the ones I was going to use but I recently found out - rumor really so I'm not 100% sure - that this particular bullet is going to be dropped shortly. I decided to then go with the Hornady #22241, 40 grain V-Max bullets. This is a spire pointed, boattailed bullet and with any luck it should work very well with my Jets.

Then I tried to purchase some of these locally and found out both of my local suppliers were "out-of-stock" and the Company has filed Chapter 11 - not a good sign. I then contacted one of my Wholesale suppliers and now have 6 boxes of this bullet in route at a much better price. As soon as they arrive I'll get 6 of them off to Corbin and see what happens.
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Presume here you are speaking of your local supplier and not Hornady Manufacturing? I did not see anything on the web to indicate Hornady.
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Originally posted by M29since14: Presume here you are speaking of your local supplier and not Hornady Manufacturing?
Yep. It's a placed called "Joe's" but about a year ago they changed their name from "GI Joe's" which is what they had been for many years. A batch of San Francisco investors acquired them just about that time. They started out as a 'Surplus and Gun Store' type outfit but the last year or so they have become less of a sporting goods and more of a 'Sports' as in the Yuppie type Junk store. They were over half shooting and fishing stuff ten Years ago now you can spend a hour looking for a set of insoles among the high priced tennis shoes!!!

Their selection of bullets is down to maybe a section of shelving about 6 feet long with only about 10 or 12 feet of space for their entire ammo section. They don't have much in the way of guns either. This is the place that My Bride has to explain to the Department Head what a boattailed bullet was!!!
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A batch of San Francisco investors acquired them just about that time.
Yes, even here in old, backward Indiana, what passes for a gun shop is a lot different than it was when I was growing up.

Keep us posted on your bullet swaging attempts to make the Jet shoot. As I said earlier, I realize factory Jet ammunition is .222 diameter and that everyone seems to agree it works very well, but I am not convinced .222 diameter projectiles are the entire answer. (I admit I don't know anything beyond that. )
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Originally posted by M29since14: ...I realize factory Jet ammunition is .222 diameter and that everyone seems to agree it works very well, but I am not convinced .222 diameter projectiles are the entire answer....
I've loaded for the "Jet" in the past and have had the best luck with the Hornady .222 bullets but haven't done much shooting beyond the 100 yard line. I've tried .223 and .224 diameter bullets and the bigger the bullet the larger the groups and the higher the pressures they produced - pressure is NOT a good thing in the "Jet". I did have very good luck with the Hornady .222 bullets with many one hole group at 100 yards.

I now have access to a 200 yard Range and would like to see if a better bullet design will make a difference. I have 4 boxes of the old style Hornady bullets but it is a flat based, flat pointed bullet design.

Also, the last time I was loading was many years ago and there are a number of new powders available. I have a "Shooter Grade" Model 53 with the long 8-3/8" barrel and a 4X Leupold scope with a 1/2 minute Dot reticule that should allow me to see just what these bullets will do.
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Enjoyed reading all of your posts.

Along with "hammering" Remington and Hornady, you might want to "encourage" Smith&Wesson to "reintroduce" the M53 as part of the Classic Line.

I am no fan of the newer guns, but new production M53s would mean new factory ammunition, bullets, and brass.
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Originally posted by N_itis: ...but new production M53s would mean new factory ammunition, bullets, and brass...
One of the reasons the Model 53 died out as a production gun was that it caused too many headaches for the service department. People wanted them to be 'tack drivers' just like there Model 17s and 18s were.

The .17 caliber Model 647 S&Ws died for exactly this same reason. I've been told: "The Model 647 was the most inaccurate rimfire gun I've ever fired!!!" And, that came from a man who's comments I believe in very strongly. Minute of Coke Can simply isn't acceptable from a Smith & Wesson.
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I called the Lyman company today to see if I could get a Lyman 225107 bullet mould made if I paid enough, the rep said no. I said theres a lot of interest in the Jet now maybe they could sell a couple of hundred moulds. She said it would take thousands and they were so far behind they wouldnt be able to. I asked if they still had the cherrys that they used to cut the mould and she said they had a fire in the old plant and lost a lot of tooling, so no help from them. She did give me a couple of Phone #'s Mikes Reloading 802-254-5296 called, he sells 3 different bullets for a Jet 13.00 per 100 cast from straight linotype.
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I got a little closer to getting my swaging die since I shipped off the half dozen Hornady 40 grain .224 V-Max bullets to Corbin yesterday.
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The latest on my "Jet" bullet project:

"<span class="ev_code_RED">It's in the works. We have over 300 pending orders with about a year backlog on some, visitors morning to night, over 1000 emails a day...and four people. Obama has been the salemans of the year for guns I guess. We will finish and ship as soon as we can. Thanks for your patience! D.R. Corbin, President Corbin Mfg & Supply, Inc. PO Box 2659, 600 Industrial Circle, White City, OR 97503</span>"
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Sounds like it's time to turn off the email and lock out the visitors!
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Sounds like it's time to turn off the email and lock out the visitors!
Yep, I just 'hope' I'm not #300 on the waiting list!!!
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The reply I received from the Remington Company about my question wondering if they might be willing to make another run of the .22 Remington "Jet" Magnum ammo or bullets:

"<span class="ev_code_RED">Sorry, no. If what we've been making for the last 60 years isn't good enough anymore we'll go ahead and drop it because we could sure use the production time.</span>"

Seems that they are too busy to be bothered.
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that is the problem. they haven't made any for about 25yrs. what they did make would be fine if they would make it. unfortunately any small interest ammo or bullets will not get made the way things are now.
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Originally posted by perrazi: ...unfortunately any small interest ammo or bullets will not get made the way things are now.
Well, they did go so far as to make another run of Brass just a couple of years ago.
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"Sorry, no. If what we've been making for the last 60 years isn't good enough anymore we'll go ahead and drop it because we could sure use the production time."
That's a stupid comment! Jet people rarely agree on almost anything, but they all agree it is impossible to duplicate Remington's factory ammo. Where do they get off with that noise?
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Old 03-31-2009, 04:03 AM
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Where do they get off with that noise?
Big company, busy right now. Probably don't think they need customers. Look at history, and think about the bind GM has themselves in right now. Then consider the causes. I see some similarities.
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Originally posted by M29since14: That's a stupid comment!
It could be taken that way but it could also be taken as a "Sign of the Times" and a "Reality Check" that WE don't particularly care for. I spent last Thursday visiting a GUN Shop in the Northern part of this State. My Dad took me there 40+ years ago for the first time and it was impressive even to a High School kid. Over the years they've gotten bigger and bigger and I've been there many, many times. I took a walk through their warehouse building and was "shocked and amazed" at just how empty the place was!!!

They have one wall on the end of the building that is where they store bullets and nothing more. While I've never measured the building I'd guess this end is something like 24 feet wide and the shelving goes up a good 12 feet. That's a lot of bullets!!! I've never seen so much empty space and would guess that there was less than a third(maybe 1/4) of the shelves covered with "In Stock" product. I've seen the days when these shelves were not only full but you had to bob and weave around the stock that was on the floor!!!

I purchased 5K CCI Small Pistol Magnum Primers and ended up with just under half of their entire stock! I've watched them unload CCI primers by the "pallet" in the past!

I've also seen another entire wall of this warehouse stacked with Remington rifles and shotguns front floor to ceiling - Thursday, they had maybe a couple of dozen of those well known Green Boxes and not a single .308 rifle in the bunch.

Obama should be named the "Man of the Year" for the entire gun industry - at least for this Year!!! Maybe, next year will be very different.
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Time to revive the thread...

I found my July, 1977 issue of SHOOTIMG TIMES magazine. On the cover is the Interarms Virginian Dragoon, a Blackhawk-looking single action reviewed inside by Skeeter Skelton. In his "Hipshots" column, Skeeter announces that Colt was going to reintroduce the Single Action Army and New Frontier in .44 Special.

Inside is an article titled "Whatever Happened To The .22 Jet Revolver?" written by Dick "I-Never-Met-A-Gun-I-Didn't-Like" Metcalf. He reviews the history of the Jet and the Model 53 including the problems some had with extraction of fired rounds.

Metcalf had gotten his hands on an unfired M-53 with an 8-3/8 inch barrel. He did accuracy tests with the Jet and factory ammo, and compared them to results he got from shooting .22 LR ammo in the auxillary cylinder, the inserts, a M-17, .22 WMR ammo in a M-48, and then .22 LR ammo in an auxillary cylinder fitted to the M-48.

Metcalf then talks about handloading for the Jet and lists his results in a chart. His listed loads are his maximums:

.223 Speer 40 gr. spirepoint bullet:

8.5 gr.Blue Dot, 1992 fps, 1.02" groups.
10.2 gr. IMR-4227, 1868 fps, 1.29" groups.
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.222 Hornaday 40 gr. Jet bullet:

9.4 gr. AL8, 2007 fps, 1.13" groups.
8.5 gr. Blue Dot, 1985 fps, 1.16" groups.
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.223 Sierra 45 gr. Hornet bullet:

10.2 gr. IMR-4227, 1854 fps, 1.63" groups.
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.222 gr. Remington 40 gr. softnose Jet bullet:

8.5 gr. Blue Dot, 1972 fps, 1.37" groups.
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Remington factory Jet load:

1988 fps, 1.23" group in 8-3/8" M-53.
1844 fps, 6" M-53.
1607 fps, 4" M-53.
2597 fps, 10" T/C Contender.

His accuracy measurements "represent average of 10 five-shot strings fired at a 50-yard target from a machine rest."

Well, there you go. IMR-4227 and Blue Dot are still available, but it's been years, mebbe decades since I have seen any AlCan powders on a gunshop shelf.
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I have just sent an email to Mid South shooters trying to get them to get Lee to custom make the Lyman 225107 38 grain gas check bullet avaliable as a custom double cavity mould. I have a 43 grain and a 55 grain on back order from them and have made a .2225 sizing die and am working on a .223 sizing die. I believe I can make my Jet shoot with cast bullets in one of these sizes. Plus they will work in my Hornet.
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...written by Dick "I-Never-Met-A-Gun-I-Didn't-Like" Metcalf.


Dick had a good shooting gun. I have never fired a Jet from a machine rest, but I have shot a lot of them, many with telescopes, and that would amount to one of the better shooting Jets I have seen, if not the best.

Blue Dot does seem to be one of the OK powders in the Jet, but it is troublesome to find data for. Looks like his results with the Hornady bullet were better than with the Remingtons. Surprising. I would still like to have some Remingtons!
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I remember the article. Seems to me that was the one that mentioned cleaning Jet charge holes with acetone. I remember my Jets running for 18 rounds before developing problems but for handgun hunting, that was never a concern.

I've been messing with Jets for around 40 years. I still like the factory bullets the best. I also have to admit my T/C Jet carbine is growing on me.

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you can also use alcohol or lighter fluid in the chambers before you shoot to get out any oil or case lube. if you don't try to use top end loads the cases usually will eject easily and for quite a number of rounds before doing the cleaning routine again.
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There will be no custom 225107 molds made by Lee I heard back from MidSouth Shooters supply and they are so covered up with backorders they are not accepting any at this time so it looks like I will only have the 43 grain Lyman to develope a Jet load.
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Let us know how it works.
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Originally posted by S/W - Lifer:

"I remember the article. Seems to me that was the one that mentioned cleaning Jet charge holes with acetone. I remember my Jets running for 18 rounds before developing problems but for handgun hunting, that was never a concern."

In the artcle, Metcalf says he used "Birchwood Casey's Cleaner-Degreaser compound." Earlier in the article, he said the factory advised Jet shooters to keep the chambers clean and dry using "lighter fluid, gasoline or degreasing agents".
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Grafs has Prvi Partisan brass for sale at $21.99 per 100.

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