Jerry Miculek "De-Locked" his competition revolver!!!

Steve_NEPhila · Jul 12, 2010

I would not believe it if I had not seen it with my own eyes. The 627 PC that Jerry Miculek uses for competing in IRC (.38 Special, with Bushnell Holosight) has had the locking flag removed.

Say what you will about the pros and cons, this is quite an interesting find. The picture is on his website:
Jerry's Equipment :: Revolvers & Shotguns : Bang Inc., If it goes bang, we shoot it!

Scroll down to the IRC revolver with the Bushnell Holosight on it and look at the close up picture showing the cylinder cut for moon clips here:
http://www.bang-inc.com/images/gunsgear.irccylinder.large.jpg

One can clearly see that the locking flag has been removed from the mechanism. I can spot this as I have done it to one of my frequent carry revolvers. The locking key hole is still in place, yet the flag that locks the hammer is gone... rock on Jerry.

Dale53 · Jul 12, 2010

When I first looked I couldn't see it. However, I clicked on the picture and on the "blow up" I can clearly see it.

Now how about THAT??!!

Dale53

michael thornton · Jul 12, 2010

he he, do you think theres a reason me did that?

photoman · Jul 12, 2010

Jerry ain't no dummy.

CAJUNLAWYER · Jul 12, 2010

So how many people sent that to S&W do you suppose

Steve_NEPhila · Jul 12, 2010

I may have been the first to discover it with uncontested evidence. (being humble)

However, I would not send it to Smith and Wesson. Jerry is a fine sportsman and I do not wish him problems with his contractual obligations. However, Smith should recognize the folly of their ways...

RedBerens · Jul 12, 2010

I think this also answers another often asked question; Is it ok to remove the flag only, or will the other parts rattle around inside the gun? I would assume his gun gets shot a lot more than mine, and he would have found out a long time ago if this was possible, so it looks like it's safe to leave the lock part in.

photoman · Jul 12, 2010

Looking at that picture, I would say all the lock guts have been removed, not just the flag.

Hunt200 · Jul 12, 2010

RedBerens said:
I think this also answers another often asked question; Is it ok to remove the flag only, or will the other parts rattle around inside the gun? I would assume his gun gets shot a lot more than mine, and he would have found out a long time ago if this was possible, so it looks like it's safe to leave the lock part in.

If you are going to remove the flag why would you take a chance leaving the guts in there? Make so sense to me

RedBerens · Jul 12, 2010

I've looked at the parts, and I just can't see where the parts would go. They appear to be held in place by the hammer.

watchmanjimg · Jul 12, 2010

Hunt200 said:
If you are going to remove the flag why would you take a chance leaving the guts in there? Make so sense to me

I agree. In my opinion if one wishes to disable the lock they should simply grind the little tab off the flag and replace it in the gun.

MERV5-5505 · Jul 13, 2010

Thanks Steve!

That is a great catch!

You have, in a way, confirmed my thoughts on if a true pro, (which Mr. Miculek clearly is...) had to deal with that growingly unpopular lock what would his solution be?

I know, I know: another lock-hater...

I realize there's a 98% chance I would never have a problem with a IL model...it's just that 2% that itches.

IMHO it's a shame because S&W is making some of the nicest variants of their wheel guns right now...today.

Anyway...thank you for the interesting post.

500 Magnum Nut · Jul 13, 2010

It must be trick photo. There is no way he would modify a perfectly engineered, hand-built revolver.

Think someone will tally tale on him....

Steve_NEPhila · Jul 13, 2010

MERV5-5505 said:
Thanks Steve!

That is a great catch!

You have, in a way, confirmed my thoughts on if a true pro, (which Mr. Miculek clearly is...) had to deal with that growingly unpopular lock what would his solution be?

I know, I know: another lock-hater...

I realize there's a 98% chance I would never have a problem with a IL model...it's just that 2% that itches.

IMHO it's a shame because S&W is making some of the nicest variants of their wheel guns right now...today.

Anyway...thank you for the interesting post.

I do not really have a big problem with the lock, as I have removed it from my two every day carry pieces.

I agree with the 500 mag guy that the new wheel guns are fantastic... The modern materials, quality workmanship and machining are cutting edge. I have recently acquired a 327 M&P R8 and it is truly a legendary weapon.

I wanted the community to know the pedestrian observation I made regarding the stupid locking flag, and clearly achieved my goal. In short, I think the lock sucks. However, I am glad that the Smith engineers made it easily circumventable.

Alx · Jul 13, 2010

Of course the internal parts are held in place by the hammer etc. but so is the flag. The whole storage-safety internal lock works fine, as long as it does. And of course, when things go wrong, it's parts can and HAVE BEEN SHOWN to jam the gun. But then, if they are removed entirely, they can't.

photoman · Jul 14, 2010

I have one Airweight left in the collection that came from the factory with the lock. I took all of the lock parts out. No more worries.

spearcrow · Jul 14, 2010

It would be funny if S&W actually did that for him, cause it would be terrible PR if his gun had an ILF during a highly publicized match. They wouldn't want that to happen, so maybe they 'doctored' the locks on this competition guns. Better to have a little negative PR over the fact that Jerry doesn't like the locks, than to have the whole world see a great shooter have a lock failure during a match.

Eliakim · Jul 14, 2010

Maybe S&W is getting wise to the fact that their revolvers look better without the internal lock. Even if it means leaving an open hole in the side of the frame.

It turns out to be a great place to put a drop of oil every once in a while. The "L" stands for "Lube"

JSR III · Jul 14, 2010

You have to remember that S&W is in the business to make money. In order to stay in business and be able to sell their product in all 50 states, they must comply with some of the draconian gun laws that exist in this country. Especially since they are based right here in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts.

I do find it interesting though that the lock system,that some states require, is so easily removed without special tools or cutting torches. Maybe S&W isn't so dumb after all???

smith41mag · Jul 14, 2010

LOCK

Just remember, once you remove or alter the lock, you have to send it to Smith Wesson to have a new one installed. They will not sell the flag or lock parts to anyone.

I know your asking "why would you put the lock back in", well, when and if you trade your gun to a dealer. He/She will have to send it to S/W to be repaired due to liablity issues when they sell it.

It's about 60.00 per gun.

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