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460 S&W Advice
Been looking at getting a 460, really like the ability to step up in calibers from 45LC, 454, and 460 Mag. The 460V has been discontinued with the 5" barrel, looked like a nice size. Still, I don't have any experience with something as powerful as a 460, closest is a Desert Eagle 50 AE.
I don't want to go too short and cut back on range and have extreme recoil. Looking for something not too nose heavy and can be maybe shoulder holstered. What do you guys think between the 5", 8.375", 10", etc.?
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I'm not knocking the shorter barrels and I have never shot the .460 but I have had 5 of the 500 Mags, currently have two keepers.
I find that the 8.375" barreled models "hang" better in the hands, facilitating accurate shooting. They of course, also give higher velocities particularly I would expect in the faster .460.
Handle all of them if you can, evaluate your expected usage and chose one. Good luck, can't go wrong with these beasts unless you're intimidated by them, they're lots of fun. Don
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like don d. said, you really need to handle one first. i wanted one for a long time and finally bought an 8 3/8" model. if i would have known how big ang heavy it was, i would have definetlt gotten a longer barrel, 10 or whatever is longer. (and a backpack holster!) just my humble opinion.
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I have the 8-3/8" XVR version with a Burris scope. I have the S&W holster that is pretty comfortable for the hike to the tree stand. I'd like to have the 10" (?) performance center barrel installed. That has the cool factor.
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by the way, don't even think about shooting ANY of these without hearing protectioon. I wear Plugs and muffs. Except for that ONE time. BIG mistake.
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If you wanna hunt then I'd say get a 5,8 3/8,or a 10 inch PC and probably stick a scope on it.
If you want to carry it more then anything then a 5 is good or you can be crazy like me and hunt up a 2 3/4 snubby!
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by the way, don't even think about shooting ANY of these without hearing protectioon. I wear Plugs and muffs. Except for that ONE time. BIG mistake.
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No offense but how are you going to do this while hunting? run around with muffs on all the time? and I expect my short .460 is going to be worse,but I don't plan on roaming the woods with plugs in,sorry.
On the range stuffing the ears makes sense,in the woods it's just stupid,and that's my two cents.
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by the way, don't even think about shooting ANY of these without hearing protectioon. I wear Plugs and muffs. Except for that ONE time. BIG mistake.
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The .45 Colt 255 grain 830 fps rounds are not that bad. They're compairable to the 230 grain standard pressure .45 ACP rounds I use in my 1911 in terms of loudness.
Casull and .460? Yeah... might be a good idea.
The only way I'd lug plugs around with an X-frame with full on "artillery" rounds is if I planned on being in a tree stand which is real popular around here. For SD I'd go for less pressure. I don't need to go deaf before 65. lol
I own a 460V. I LOVE it. And now since it's discontinued I'd rather die than sell it.
To answer the topic starting Q: If it's for both SD and hunting, go for the 5 inch if you can get one. .45 Colt rounds like I use barely make the muzzle move, my old man like that fact plus the fact that at 65 with glaucoma in one eye he can still nail the bulls eye and put'um where he wants them at the range. .45 Colt in a 460V is a set up you can shoot all day and accurately too.
It's a chunk, I won't lie but it means business. I heard one guy load up 200 grain Hornady .460 rounds in his and hit a wild hog in the shoulder in one shot and turn her heels up dead at 200 yards with a big hole of an exit wound.
Just depends on what you want to do with it.
What do I do with mine? Shock and Awe at my local range. I like to shake the range with sound and fury. lol
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I've got one of the 10.5" Performance Center guns with a Burris 1.5x4 in Leupold quick release rings. One thing for sure is that the gun is heavy! I think it goes something like 90 ounces. It does dampen recoil but it is also kind of awkward. I wouldn't even consider shooting it without a rest of some sort. It came with a sling and I think that's the only way you could carry it!
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If you wanna hunt then I'd say get a 5,8 3/8,or a 10 inch PC and probably stick a scope on it.
If you want to carry it more then anything then a 5 is good or you can be crazy like me and hunt up a 2 3/4 snubby!
No offense but how are you going to do this while hunting? run around with muffs on all the time? and I expect my short .460 is going to be worse,but I don't plan on roaming the woods with plugs in,sorry.
On the range stuffing the ears makes sense,in the woods it's just stupid,and that's my two cents.
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I use electronic muffs to turn the volume up above the ear plugs. The electronics turn off at a shot blast. Go ahead. Make one shot on purpose with 200 gr Hornady mag load and report back. Then we'll talk about what is stupid.
You might want to check if that snubby is legal to hunt with. I've heard of states that require a 4" (I think) minimum barrel. You've never shot that 460 snubby with a 460 magnum load, have you?
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recoil is a perceived feeling. i have friends who won't shoot a full cylinder of light loads out of my 44's, while the stiffest loads don't really bother me at all. then there's the member of this forum who figured out a way to get rid of the compensators on his 500 mags.ther's nothin crazy about owning or shootin a snub 460, if that's what you can handle and enjoy. but it doesn't make you a crazed lunatic livin life on the edge either or a superhero. it's just a big gun with a big bullet and there's always a bigger one.
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I use electronic muffs to turn the volume up above the ear plugs. The electronics turn off at a shot blast. Go ahead. Make one shot on purpose with 200 gr Hornady mag load and report back. Then we'll talk about what is stupid.
You might want to check if that snubby is legal to hunt with. I've heard of states that require a 4" (I think) minimum barrel. You've never shot that 460 snubby with a 460 magnum load, have you?
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It's not for hunting,I have a CCW so I'll be using it as my "ultimate woods gun" and tucking it under a vest or a coat.
I'm giving a 10.5 inch .460 the hairy eyeball for maybe getting for hunting......
No,no .460's yet,just some 300gr .454's,I can see the .460 shells will be a real ride.
I figger if I stay away from the 2,000 FPS screamers I should fair ok,probably stick with anything from the 260gr range and maybe the 300's the 200gr rounds are the screamers and I suspect the blast is going to be like a .223 pistol (one of a few pistols that made my ears hurt while hunting) so I'll avoid them,thank you.
The blast is impressive out of the 454 as is
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I see guys about every two weeks with broken bones from shooting 454's, 460's and 500's. Why hurt yourself a .44 mag will kill anything in the lower 48?
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What kind of broken bones are you seeing? I shoot 500's and 460's and I've never even thought about broken bones! I did see a picture once of somebody who shot a 500 with their finger on the front of the frame and it wasn't pretty, there was a lot of meat removed from that finger.
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thumb blowout
I had a friend that did similar thing first time he shot his 460. For some unknown reason, he cradled the gun in his left hand in front of the trigger guard.
The escaping gas at the barrel/cylinder gap split the fleshy heel of his thumb and blew a small hole through his thumb and out the end under the thumbnail.
His son cleaned the area with rubbing alcohol and sewed up his dad's thumb heel with a needle and thread. Yikes!
This was about 1.5 years ago. He has some nerve damage to that thumb of course. Of course he still has and shoots the .460. When he moved to AK, I shipped that gun and many more to him.
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I got to fire a 460 with the 8 3/8" bbl last year before deploying. Fired 260 gr 454 and 200 gr 460 loads out of her. I had lots of fun with it and rocked firing the 460 DA rapid fire. I'm debating which I want for Christmas either that 460 or a new 57 6" as a hunting revolver (whitetail, black bear and hog). I'm totally set up for reloading the .41 from light to heavy cast boolits but don't have any dies/molds and very few brass of .45 Scholfield,45 Colt/454 or 460.
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The escaping gas at the barrel/cylinder gap split the fleshy heel of his thumb and blew a small hole through his thumb and out the end under the thumbnail.
His son cleaned the area with rubbing alcohol and sewed up his dad's thumb heel with a needle and thread. Yikes!
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Yeah I do it differently. I put the left hand index finger on the front section of the trigger guard and place my thumb in line with the index finger. I find that the pistol balances well there and the gas pressure is not an issue.
The reason? I wanted to find a way to deal better with the recoil as the two hands at the grip wasn't to my liking with a round with that much force because the trigger guard was trying to bruise my left index finger on recoil so I had to move my hand.
The #1 reason you don't grab the frame on any firearm is heat. It's just a no-no. Add the cylinder gap pressure and there ya go.
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I got to fire a 460 with the 8 3/8" bbl last year before deploying. Fired 260 gr 454 and 200 gr 460 loads out of her. I had lots of fun with it and rocked firing the 460 DA rapid fire. I'm debating which I want for Christmas either that 460 or a new 57 6" as a hunting revolver (whitetail, black bear and hog). I'm totally set up for reloading the .41 from light to heavy cast boolits but don't have any dies/molds and very few brass of .45 Scholfield,45 Colt/454 or 460.
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Thanks for your service and all you do.
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Thanks guys, I'll try handling a few different sizes at my gun store to try to get a feel for it.
How is the accuracy when shooting 45/454s out of a 460?
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Thanks for the offer, be awhile as I just started my second year here.
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I see guys about every two weeks with broken bones from shooting 454's, 460's and 500's. Why hurt yourself a .44 mag will kill anything in the lower 48?
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......sounds like your friends need to find a new pastime. Funny, as many times as the mangled finger pic has been on the web, that one hasn't seen documentation of all these other incidents of which you speak. My youngest son has been shooting my .460 with true magnum loads since he was 13. He weighed maybe 75lbs soakin' wet. Never broke nuttin' but the clay pigeons set up on the berm. Now @ seventeen, he loves to shoot it DA as fast as he can. My daughter-in-law shoots it also.....she weights maybe 105#. She consistently hits the bowlin' pin @ 75 yards with open sights. I don't think she has even broke a fingernail. Now I admit, it ain't the snubby but the PC model with the 10.5'' barrel, and we all know that the .460 S&W is not for the faint of heart. But..... if folks are breakin' bones with any model .460 with the regularity that you speak, they need to take a long look at their technique.
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Thanks guys, I'll try handling a few different sizes at my gun store to try to get a feel for it.
How is the accuracy when shooting 45/454s out of a 460?
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.45 Colt tends to shoot a bit low in my ES snub,like about two inches at fifteen yards (I have a snub so I keep the range to fifteen or twenty) the .454 hits where it's pointed without any drop.
I aim at the top of the top of the target to hit the center when i use Colt shells,and this thing is like a .22 with .45 Colt.
And I got some .460 FMJ-FP yesterday~talk about a power ride!
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Was at a local gunstore and looked at some of the big 460s and noticed an ES in the corner. After handling it, I had to get it.
I figure most of the time I'll be shooting light loads anyways. Plus, if I'm in the woods and get jumped by a crazed giraffe, I have an over-powered snub to deal with it.
Can't wait to try it out!
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Was at a local gunstore and looked at some of the big 460s and noticed an ES in the corner. After handling it, I had to get it.
I figure most of the time I'll be shooting light loads anyways. Plus, if I'm in the woods and get jumped by a crazed giraffe, I have an over-powered snub to deal with it.
Can't wait to try it out!
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You'll love it if you have a taste for big power gun wise,I'd suggest a few .454's to start then get some 250-300Gr .460 to try out,stay far away from the 200's as they are made for velocity and blast will be insane,likewise I'd shy away from the 300+ loads as the recoil may get..."interesting"with such a small cannon!
Get some .45 Colt too,but they may not shoot to your liking as they tend to shoot low (in my ES anyway) but they are damn fun to just blast away with.
And BTW recoil isn't THAT bad with 260Gr shells,it'll get one's attention quick,but it's not some unholy terror.
Now 300's...those may be a bit more jumpy,but I suspect if you're ready it won't be much.
Have a ball!
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Hi, Steve here. I have a 460 XVR with a 2X7 Burris, And the reasons i bought it is i all ready own a 500 S&W, and just had to have it. Seriosly it was the gain rifling, witch seems to me would need as long a barrel as possible. Not sure if you would get all the bennifits of the cartridge with out the long barrel length. Go long.
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Thanks guys, I'll try handling a few different sizes at my gun store to try to get a feel for it.
How is the accuracy when shooting 45/454s out of a 460?
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Don't know about .454, haven't shot any yet.
At the pistol range the .460 stuff from my 460V shot low but not as low as .45 Colt.
So I grabbed my laser bore sight and locked it in and redialed it in for pistol range ranges. with .45 Colt it's dead on. My old man with glaucoma in one eye shot the bulls eye out of the target in one shot (One of those circle targets sold by Winchester).
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By the way, the .460 is a round that is all about pressure - make sure to give that cylinder a good cleaning after shooting the "short stuff" (.45LC, .454) before going back to full power .460.
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Yeah I hear that. I'm anal about that kinna stuff. It's almost never clean enough to me. I'm currently shooting the solid lead .45 Colt Super X stuff. It leaves a ring in the chamber from the gasses separating the bullet from the casing. I scrub the snot out of it and it's still there. I sent the brush after it, the break free, and a lot of patches and it's still there. I go in with my pinky, smooth as glass. Dunno what the deal is.
.45 Colt would be my SD round for it no doubt. .460 I would go deaf after having to fire on a perp.
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Was thinking about what ammo to try out in 460, thanks for the opinions. I know I've seen the 200gr around, will keep an out for for 260gr FMJ, etc. to play with.
Holster-wise on an ES, any experiences?
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If you are looking for an 8 3/8 460 I have one for sale on the sale page. Is LNIB with approx 30 rds thru it and it includes 260 rds of factory ammo, mostly Hornady 200 gr SST and some Cor-Bon 200 gr XPB. I also have a Weigand scope base and rings all for $1000 plus $40 shipping to ffl.
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i want a .460 bad... have a 500 mag now...it doesnt recoil that bad... not bad enough to break bones.
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Was thinking about what ammo to try out in 460, thanks for the opinions. I know I've seen the 200gr around, will keep an out for for 260gr FMJ, etc. to play with.
Holster-wise on an ES, any experiences?
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Yes if you try to find a holster that's not made just for an X frame think big,and I mean BIG,I bought a nylon/fake leather IWB cheapy from Uncle Mike's that's listed as "large frame revolver,four inch" maybe for an N frame as the X just barely fits,but it's doable.
Go to midway and look up holsters for an X frame ES model,a good one is upwards of $40,but worth it,I'll be ordering one in a few weeks.
And just in case you're interested in a speed loader.....
.460 X-Frame Accessories
I'm going to get a couple but I suspect they're rather large!
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Took the 460ES shooting today, interesting experience. Could barely feel the 45LC out of it. Got a box of Hornady 200-grain 460 and gave it a try. One of my friends didn't like it at all. The other, a woman who hasn't shot anything in 6 years actually liked it.
It definitely stings as you shoot it, but it's bearable. Hard to explain, but you need let it snap up at the end of its recoil and take your hand up. It just kinda works that way. One thing about this model with its 2.75" barrel and no brake is that the flash was not that bad, even with the high velocity ammo. Also didn't feel a fireball blasting back like some have described for the compensated versions. Noise was OK, sounding like a loud rifle, but not painfully loud. Did have to deal with more recoil than the comp models.
Overall, I had fun with it!
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I agree,just let the gun "do it's thing" and you'll be fine,I like the 250 and up to 300 for it since it's most controllable with those (but I may try some 300+ grain loads~for fun ) the 200's are those that go 2,000+ FPS and those I would not touch off without ear muffs.
Again recoil isn't horrid,just noticeable,and it can be fun to set off
And if you carry it in the woods you dunna half to worry about anything in the damn North American continent! just shoot it!
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I wouldn't touch anything that gun can fire without earmuffs.
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Holster: Where did you get/order the holster for your scoped S & W .460?
Where did you get the holster for your scoped S & W 460?
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Wow, now that it's discontinued, am I ever glad I got my 460V!!
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Pro Ears Gold Electronic ear muffs, I wear them all the time while hunting with the 460. You will damage your hearing with 1 shot from a 460 without hearing protection.
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These grips give great control and have beautiful wood.
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Where did you get those grips??
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460 S&W
With the 460 you can shoot the 454 and 45lc. In the raging judge you can shoot the 454, 45lc and the 410.
Can you also shoot the 410 in the 460?
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Been looking at getting a 460, really like the ability to step up in calibers from 45LC, 454, and 460 Mag. The 460V has been discontinued with the 5" barrel, looked like a nice size. Still, I don't have any experience with something as powerful as a 460, closest is a Desert Eagle 50 AE.
I don't want to go too short and cut back on range and have extreme recoil. Looking for something not too nose heavy and can be maybe shoulder holstered. What do you guys think between the 5", 8.375", 10", etc.?
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Actually the 5" .460 S&W Magnum is readily available from Bud's Gun Shop. I HIGHLY recommend the .460 5" for general carry. It can shoot the .45 LC, .454 Casull, and .460 S&W Magnum. With a TK Customs cylinder conversion is can also shoot .45 ACP, .45 Win Mag, or ANY .45 caliber round that has the same base diameter!
Even the 8.5" .460 is a marvelous revolver! BUY ONE WHILE YOU CAN!
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06-23-2014, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by robsovinski
With the 460 you can shoot the 454 and 45lc. In the raging judge you can shoot the 454, 45lc and the 410.
Can you also shoot the 410 in the 460?
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No. The cylinder in the 460V is not long enough for the 410 shells. I saw an illustration of this but I cannot find it right now.
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06-24-2014, 11:24 PM
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l just got a 460 PC.. 10 1/2'' barrel w/brake...l just love the thing.. Mounted a 4x Leupold and its scary accurate...l thought about shooting 45LC in it but l just hate shooting short shells in long cylinders...l overcame this by using Trail Boss powder and Speer 250gr swc lead bullets...Trail Boss load launches those lead swc Speers at about 1000fps...Speer Manual 14 has some great ''reduced recoil'' loads for the 460 SW..These loads will yield up to 1700fps for 250-260.. lf you handload you will love that 460 even more
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