Tyler T Grip company shutdown - shipping again

A10 · #**251** 05-27-2011, 05:07 PM

26 pages on T-grips....If I had the cash I'd buy the place and get them cranking out some product! Talk about supply and demand!

DCP · #**252** 05-27-2011, 05:28 PM

Just a observation the last 2 positive post were made by people who joined May 2011. That just doesn't give me a warm cozy feeling. I will wait to order mine.

togap · #**253** 05-27-2011, 05:59 PM

3300 shipped, 2700 to go, My check cleared October 13, 2010. I was not one of the 3300 shipped. You do the math.

ladder13 · #**254** 05-27-2011, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by togap

3300 shipped, 2700 to go, My check cleared October 13, 2010. I was not one of the 3300 shipped. You do the math.

They must be shipping from the 2008 orders.

Reacher (Said Nothing) · #**255** 05-27-2011, 06:23 PM

mtngunr makes me wonder. Why is he the only person to have any contact with Tyler Manufacturing? Could he be Tyler Manufacturing? Have the orders and checks dryed up since pleople have gotten the clue that NOBODY is getting their orders?

ladder13 · #**256** 05-27-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Reacher (Said Nothing)

mtngunr makes me wonder. Why is he the only person to have any contact with Tyler Manufacturing? Could he be Tyler Manufacturing? Have the orders and checks dryed up since pleople have gotten the clue that NOBODY is getting their orders?

"actually, i BECAME a member of this forum mainly to update what showed here on a google search of t-grips, as the misinformation and whining was too much to stand... "

Kingmedicine · #**257** 05-27-2011, 07:23 PM

I just want a dang K frame t grip.

Reacher (Said Nothing) · #**258** 05-27-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximumbob54

It just hit me. 6,000 orders. Even if they were only for one $24 model each, that is still $144,000. Hire some extra bodies and stop making me pay $55 for a scratched up T-Grip. I went from feeling bad about the company, to being curious about how back ordered they would allow and still cash checks, to I'm incredulous they can't keep up. What am I missing here???

You forgot, he doesn't have an MBA! But he does have at least $144,000! You'd think with that kind of money he could hire somebody for $10.00/hour to answer the phone and respond to his mail. Ah, right, he was too busy going to the bank! Thanks mtngunr, now I can file another complaint with the USPS and quote you that the fraud may exceed $144,000, not just my little $68.00 complaint. That may get their attention! Unless, OF COURSE, someone posts that they DID get their order (other than mtngunr) whom at this point seems to me to be a shill for Tyler.

Murphy2000 · #**259** 05-27-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Reacher (Said Nothing)

mtngunr makes me wonder. Why is he the only person to have any contact with Tyler Manufacturing? Could he be Tyler Manufacturing? Have the orders and checks dryed up since pleople have gotten the clue that NOBODY is getting their orders?

That flag went up in my mind within days of him joining the site. As for anything he has to say in regards to Tyler T Grip? I'm calling BS.

Murphy2000

Reacher (Said Nothing) · #**260** 05-28-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mtngunr

Well, out of 6000 backorders, he now has it trimmed to 2700, ....

Good Lord, it just occured to me! 6000 backorders! Even if they were all just the polished ones at $24.00 each, we're forgetting the $6.95 each for S&H. That means *the man* (with the secret cell phone number) sans an MBA has at least $185,700.00 in hand! This guy is better than Jesse James!

TheTinMan · #**261** 05-28-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Reacher (Said Nothing)

Good Lord, it just occured to me! 6000 backorders! Even if they were all just the polished ones at $24.00 each, we're forgetting the $6.95 each for S&H. That means *the man* (with the secret cell phone number) sans an MBA has at least $185,700.00 in hand! This guy is better than Jesse James!

The really sad thing is that the length of this thread plus secondary market prices today prove that there is a GOOD market for this product.

Unfortunately, someone has $200,000 plus of our money (rounding up for higher priced grips & orders of multiple T-Grips) and apparently no incentive to maintain the business. It makes no sense to spend all of your time making the product to fill months of old backorders and not update the website or the voicemail message. Unless of course, you're not shipping anything, don't care that the business' reputation is shot (pun intended), and don't think there will be any legal repurcussions.

"Now shipping orders from ____ 2010" would be a nice start - on the website or on the voicemail greeting.

mtngunr - since you appear to be the only one able to communicate with the alternative reality of Tyler, perhaps you could make that suggestion to him?

luis · #**262** 05-30-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Reacher (Said Nothing)

mtngunr makes me wonder. Why is he the only person to have any contact with Tyler Manufacturing? Could he be Tyler Manufacturing? Have the orders and checks dryed up since pleople have gotten the clue that NOBODY is getting their orders?

I agree this is interesting. Could mtngunr live in OK?

Maximumbob54 · #**263** 06-02-2011, 04:04 PM

Are we tracking outrageous t-grip bidding? I had $41 on a 3R on eBay and it just sold for $162.50... I want one but not THAT bad... It would be nice if the company could just devote the time and bodies needed and we wouldn't have this kind of bid war over such a thing.

DCP · #**264** 06-02-2011, 05:05 PM

Two guys drove this up
We will call them A and B

A puts in 2 bids (he must have wanted it bad)

B bids till he ends up between the 2 bids from A and makes him pay for his double bids.

Ebay encourages bidders to double bid.
Gee that's really great for eBay and paypal profits

I would NEVER double bid

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Originally Posted by Maximumbob54

Are we tracking outrageous t-grip bidding? I had $41 on a 3R on eBay and it just sold for $162.50... I want one but not THAT bad... It would be nice if the company could just devote the time and bodies needed and we wouldn't have this kind of bid war over such a thing.

Maximumbob54 · #**265** 06-02-2011, 05:18 PM

I'm just trying to figure out the mindset. I would send in a check and wait a year before I pay well over a hundred bucks for one. I really want to see the company turn around, but I can't see paying too much more for them then they are already asking. I feel like a schmuck for paying twice as much for them just to have one. I think I'm done with that now. As for ebay... Well it just is what it is. I will just cross my fingers that the Tyler company recognizes the gold mine that it is.

Protected · #**266** 06-02-2011, 06:08 PM

the question i have is what makes these t-grips so great. ive never seen an explanation on what the purpose is or why one would want them.. i know it cant be for looks, cause they look terrible to me.

cjw3 · #**267** 06-02-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Protected

the question i have is what makes these t-grips so great. ive never seen an explanation on what the purpose is or why one would want them.. i know it cant be for looks, cause they look terrible to me.

They put much of the weight of the gun on the middle finger while also reducing the angle of the trigger finger. Also, there is a useful increase in grip diameter for a better hold without adding bulk to the rear and bottom of the grip. They do these things with so little added weight as to be negligible.

As for the aesthetics, they have a "retro" look that some of us older guys find appealing. "To each his own", said the old lady that kissed the cow.

Maximumbob54 · #**268** 06-02-2011, 06:21 PM

Protected - Ever feel one on a gun or better yet, ever shoot with one on the gun? I have on both accounts and that is why I now own a few and would like a few more. Are they for everyone? Of course not.

Protected · #**269** 06-02-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximumbob54

Protected - Ever feel one on a gun or better yet, ever shoot with one on the gun? I have on both accounts and that is why I now own a few and would like a few more. Are they for everyone? Of course not.

oh i know there are different tastes. just didnt know the purpose... all of the things the above posts said they do, are things that i need, i just cant get past the look lol. ill do like i normally do, keep looking at the till they grow on me haha.

and no i havent held or shot a gun with them on. the only handgun experience i have is with my lone 36-1, about 75 rounds worth lol... i got a lot of learning to do.

also the increase in grip diameter is what i need, but it seems that i need the diameter added to the rear of the gun because, with my big hands, the reach to the trigger seems way way too short.

Cooter Brown · #**270** 06-02-2011, 07:36 PM

Protected, a 36-1 (and I have one) is close to perfection with a Tyler. It makes an already fine shooter even better.

They Tyler allows you to keep the original factory wooden grips, which many of us traditionalists like the look of.

Erich · #**271** 06-02-2011, 07:59 PM

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a 36-1 (and I have one) is close to perfection with a Tyler

bronco45 · #**272** 06-02-2011, 08:04 PM

I have to agree with Erich. For concealment with the ability to control the weapon with factory stocks, the T grips work. Have them on a 442, and a K frame 3" 65. Control and concealment without Bulk.

Melvin Tyler started making these T Grips when most cops were only making 3-400 dollars a month. Melvin was a great guy.

Maximumbob54 · #**273** 06-02-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Protected

oh i know there are different tastes. just didnt know the purpose... all of the things the above posts said they do, are things that i need, i just cant get past the look lol. ill do like i normally do, keep looking at the till they grow on me haha.

and no i havent held or shot a gun with them on. the only handgun experience i have is with my lone 36-1, about 75 rounds worth lol... i got a lot of learning to do.

also the increase in grip diameter is what i need, but it seems that i need the diameter added to the rear of the gun because, with my big hands, the reach to the trigger seems way way too short.

Sounds like you should try a Pachmayr Compac for your 36-1. It's rubber but it's affordable. It adds a minimum of bulk for the extra mass. You get the rubber covering the back giving you the extra length of pull and it absorbs some of the recoil as well. The length is increased to where you have most of your pinky finger at the bottom of the grip area where the is one low finger groove. If there is a wood stock that does all of this I am not sure what one does all that. They are getting hard to find but some guys also like the Uncle Mike's three finger J frame combat for the same reasons.

As a last second edit: check out the bottom of this page... This may be all you are looking for. I can't say for sure but it looks like wood covers the back of the grip frame. Maybe...

Altamont - Pistol Grips

Protected · #**274** 06-02-2011, 08:48 PM

is there a way i can try before i buy? i would assume a gun shop might have a similar handgun with diff grips maybe?

altamont only has round butt grips? mine is square.

Reacher (Said Nothing) · #**275** 06-02-2011, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Protected

the question i have is what makes these t-grips so great. ive never seen an explanation on what the purpose is or why one would want them.. i know it cant be for looks, cause they look terrible to me.

Let me guess, you're under 30? See my explaination on page 19. My guess is that most of us looking for t-grips are 50+.
You pays your money and takes your pick. I think they look cool and they do work. Erich's 36-1 IS perfection. Old School. Very cool! Erick, thank you for the picture!

Andy Griffith · #**276** 06-02-2011, 09:28 PM

Am I the only one that seems to like the bronze ones a bit better than the aluminum ones- at least on pre-war guns?

I think they are a bit heavier, and just look so much nicer.

Erich · #**277** 06-02-2011, 10:03 PM

You're right, Andy - they are much harder to find, though.

Erich · #**278** 06-03-2011, 11:55 AM

Thought some of you might be interested in this post that I made here on January 14, 2008 (archived in my computer - this wasn't the only forum where I posted it) (this forum doesn't go back that far, apparently):

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Hi all,

When I was managing a gun store right after college ('88), I set up an account with the Tyler Manufacturing company. It was a bit of a hassle to establish, but no shop in town carried the T-grips and a lot of crusty old fellows wanted them. Once I'd tried one out, I understood why. Once we had the account going, we placed regular orders and sold the T-grip adaptors frequently. Their wholesale price wasn't cheap so there wasn't a lot of mark-up for us as a store, but it kept our guys happy and coming to us, and it was worth it.

It appears generations change. On Friday, November 9th, I called Tyler to order a simple T-grip for a J-frame. "No problem. Got 'em right here," says the nice fellow taking the order. "I'll have it out to you next week."

Well, they charged my card on the 11th. $31.75 (they're just a chunk of cast aluminum, but no one says they're cheap. And neither is their shipping.) And then nothing happened.

After a whole lot of nothing happened, I called them back on December 10th. Left a message, but no one called back. I called back a while later, and finally got a person. Big problem they were having, they told me. There'd just been an ice storm! Power was out. They were bringing in generators. Gonna get production started again as soon as possible.

Okay, but where was my T-grip? Did it go out last month as promised and just get lost in the mail? "No, no, didn't go out yet. Soon! You'll have it be Christmas!"

Right after Christmas, I called them back and asked, hey, what about my T-grip? Big problem, they told me. Ice storm had the power out for ten days! (Ten days? I grew up in rural IN and we lost power all the time, but what kind of Siberian operation loses power for ten days?) We're making your T-grip right now! We've moved your name to the top of the list for shipping.

Shouldn't it have been there anyway - I ordered in November? "Yes, it's at the top of the list! It'll go out the first week in January."

Okay, it's now the THIRD week in January. Nada in the mail. I called Tyler four times this a.m. No one answered. I left a message requesting a call back. Haven't heard back yet. Their website says that they're trying to fill their November and December orders - and says that they no longer answer emails because the volume was just too big (I'll bet).

So I called my credit card company and did a payment dispute.

Based on my experience, I would not recommend that anyone do business direct with Tyler Manufacturing. If you want one of their T-grips, order it from Brownells and let them do the hair-pulling. Or order it used from one of the auction services. Or order one of the old Pachmayr grip adaptors that Numrich still has in stock.

Because, a monkey with a piece of bar stock aluminum and a file could have made me my grip adaptor by now, and WALKED it to my house from their shop. Which leads me to believe that they need to find better help - or better management (more likely).

Don't waste your time trying to buy from Tyler.

I did eventually get it - hope you all do as well.

coobie · #**279** 06-03-2011, 04:41 PM

I hope I posted in the correct section.I ordered a tyler T-grip from tyler corp.march 2nd 2011 they stated on there website 8 week wait,no t-grips as of 6/3/11.I have tried to contact tyler but there phone does not accept any messages or emails.I contacted the Oklahoma city police tonight and spoke with a officer,he told me he has no contact number for tyler corp.The officer also told me there are current legal mail fraud complaints filed with the OK.attorney generals office againest tyler.They are going to have a officer contact me next week to file a complaint.I am only out $33 bucks,just trying to prevent anyone else from getting ripped off like myself.coobie

HAWKEYE10 · #**280** 06-03-2011, 04:51 PM

Sorry you didn't hear about this. It has been all over the Internet. I think these people are going to be in big trouble. If you look at for sale adds here and on ebay the prices for used Tyler grips are way up. Best of luck to you. Don

coobie · #**281** 06-03-2011, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mtngunr

Naturally, of 50% of orders shipped, many of those will be members of THIS forum?....you have a highly inflated opinion of how many people visit forums....actually, i BECAME a member of this forum mainly to update what showed here on a google search of t-grips, as the misinformation and whining was too much to stand...

Add me to the list of whiners.I have been in contact with the Oklahoma OK police dept and OK attorney generals office as of 6/3/11.My order was placed 3/2/11 for a whopping $33 bucks.The order was for a t-grip for a ruger speed 6,frank coolbaugh Jerome,Michigan. 49249.I intend to get payed for the grip hell or high water.

coobie · #**282** 06-03-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mtngunr

Well, out of 6000 backorders, he now has it trimmed to 2700, and is shipping more out today and tomorrow, making batches of 200 at a time, mostly #1's in polished and black but has to switch off periodically to make them for K-frames and others as well....those of you seeing the t-grip as an investment had better start selling now if you want a profit....and all of you talking "they" as the business goes, it's one guy trying to keep this afloat since his dad died this past fall....from 6000 to 2700, by himself....

Have them call the OK city police dept. and OK state attorneys general office for me and have mine shipped since you have the inside skinney

Or have them contact me on this site to prevent any legal action on my part.Frank coolbaugh,Jerome Michigan 49249.

phenson · #**283** 06-03-2011, 07:18 PM

You sure do have a lot of interest in this company to join the S&W forum for what you have already stated is one reason, and berate many of its members for the ridiculous idea of wanting what they pay for in a somewhat timely manner. Here's my feelings, and you pretty much single handedly made me feel this way, I will never buy a new Tyler T ever again. I will buy them used, especially from a forum member (other than you) or if one of the forum members buys the patent or begins making a facsimile, but I now care less what the company's problems are or what they are doing to try to fix them. They've been wrong from the beginning for cashing checks and not delivering. I will not listen to telling folks they will be punished for being dissatisfied with shoddy service. I believe you're here for one reason, you have something to do with the company, otherwise why would you take such an interest in all of this? Don't bother answering, you are the first person I've ever placed on the ignore list. I really get a bad feeling reading your posts.

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Originally Posted by mtngunr

Naturally, of 50% of orders shipped, many of those will be members of THIS forum?....you have a highly inflated opinion of how many people visit forums....actually, i BECAME a member of this forum mainly to update what showed here on a google search of t-grips, as the misinformation and whining was too much to stand...

Protected · #**284** 06-03-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Reacher (Said Nothing)

Let me guess, you're under 30? See my explaination on page 19. My guess is that most of us looking for t-grips are 50+.
You pays your money and takes your pick. I think they look cool and they do work. Erich's 36-1 IS perfection. Old School. Very cool! Erick, thank you for the picture!

28 to be exact, after i went and looked at the black T-grips on blued gun, it doesnt look so bad. it seems they would do exactly what i need. when i grab the factory grips lower, the reach is more what i need. its just awkward to have to get my position without my middle finger resting on the frame.

lagavulin62 · #**285** 06-03-2011, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by phenson

You sure do have a lot of interest in this company to join the S&W forum for what you have already stated is one reason, and berate many of its members for the ridiculous idea of wanting what they pay for in a somewhat timely manner. Here's my feelings, and you pretty much single handedly made me feel this way, I will never buy a new Tyler T ever again. I will buy them used, especially from a forum member (other than you) or if one of the forum members buys the patent or begins making a facsimile, but I now care less what the company's problems are or what they are doing to try to fix them. They've been wrong from the beginning for cashing checks and not delivering. I will not listen to telling folks they will be punished for being dissatisfied with shoddy service. I believe you're here for one reason, you have something to do with the company, otherwise why would you take such an interest in all of this? Don't bother answering, you are the first person I've ever placed on the ignore list. I really get a bad feeling reading your posts.

well said phenson. you da man!!!!

erich, thanks for posting, oh you had me rolling.

Cooter Brown · #**286** 06-03-2011, 09:38 PM

Erich, looks good. I like the holster--is that one of Lobo's?

Protected, in case you have a square butt gun, and end up with a silver T grip, here's what that looks like:

36-1 with a Tyler:

CAJUNLAWYER · #**287** 06-03-2011, 09:58 PM

here's my 337 with a Tyler-best grip combo in the world for a round butt J frame.

Erich · #**288** 06-03-2011, 11:38 PM

Thanks, Cooter - that's a holster from Newfyman's (Paul Dameron's) friend, David Newcomb.

luis · #**289** 06-03-2011, 11:44 PM

I just wish all this mess had never happened. It is too late for Tyler to recover. We have lost another great company.

Thinking back to 1980 I can think of over 100 gun accessory companies that we have lost.

mc5aw · #**290** 06-04-2011, 06:26 AM

It's interesting that through 30 pages of posts from people who paid for a product they never received, one could replace nearly every mention of "Tyler T-Grips" with "Lawman Leather" and still have the exact same thread.

Caveat Emptor.

Cooter Brown · #**291** 06-04-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by luis

I just wish all this mess had never happened. It is too late for Tyler to recover. We have lost another great company.

Thinking back to 1980 I can think of over 100 gun accessory companies that we have lost.

Unfortunately I think this is correct. It's really a shame. Given the market they weren't gonna get rich off the T Grip, but it would have been a nice cottage business that threw off some revenue for a small company.

jessegpresley · #**292** 06-04-2011, 04:38 PM

"one man dynamo"; classic.

I wish I had $200,000 worth of business to **** away.

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Originally Posted by Reacher (Said Nothing)

Has any member seen any of the 3,300 t-grips the one man dynamo sent out yet?

Oh yeah, if anyone has a high polished T-Grip for my nickel 36 at a reasonable price, please message me!

phenson · #**293** 06-04-2011, 05:40 PM

I'd really like to have a bronze one for an N frame, but I'm afraid my name is mud with all the good folks pumping them out at the factory right now....

Broker50 · #**294** 06-04-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by luis

I just wish all this mess had never happened. It is too late for Tyler to recover. We have lost another great company.

Thinking back to 1980 I can think of over 100 gun accessory companies that we have lost.

Shouldn't say anything, just can't help myself. If Tyler was a great company this would have never happened. Even a mediocre company with semi competent management would have avoided this fiasco.

Reacher (Said Nothing) · #**295** 06-04-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mtngunr

Well, out of 6000 backorders, he now has it trimmed to 2700, and is shipping more out today and tomorrow, making batches of 200 at a time, mostly #1's in polished and black but has to switch off periodically to make them for K-frames and others as well....those of you seeing the t-grip as an investment had better start selling now if you want a profit....and all of you talking "they" as the business goes, it's one guy trying to keep this afloat since his dad died this past fall....from 6000 to 2700, by himself....

It's not the *folks* it's a one man human dynamo!
Too bad all the people on the S&W forum are on his list for being whiners and we'll never get the product we PAID for.

wrangler5 · #**296** 06-04-2011, 09:12 PM

I posted a while ago that I was thinking of making these things out of resin. The learning curve has been steeper than I expected, but I have produced a few that I would appreciate feedback on before I proceed further. What I have are J frame size in satin black - I have been unable to maintain glossy black with the mold and material I have to date, although I did produce some glossy ones in black and a few other colors early on.

I would hope to sell a final product for $20 plus shipping, but at this point I will sell the few samples I've produced for $15 delivered in order to get some feedback. If you are interested, and do NOT live in Missouri (I'm not ready to deal with the sales tax people until I'm sure I'm in business) please send me an email at [email protected] . I will send PayPal payment instructions. If there is more interest than I have product I'll pick the "lucky" folks who get the payment instructions, so if you'd like to say just why you really need a lightweight grip adapter right now please embellish your email. Please don't ask for one of these if you won't give me some feedback after you get it and try it.

I've attached some images of what I've done so far. It's hard to tell, but one of 'em is a medium gray, which just sort of "happened" with one of the black castings. I do have black and white dyes and can try to make gray if there's an interest, as well as a number of other colors. (Green, or blue, anybody? How about international orange?)

Thanks for any interest.[ATTACH]

[ Edited to add email address as my PM box is getting too full to be useful. ]

Protected · #**297** 06-04-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wrangler5

I posted a while ago that I was thinking of making these things out of resin. The learning curve has been steeper than I expected, but I have produced a few that I would appreciate feedback on before I proceed further. What I have are J frame size in satin black - I have been unable to maintain glossy black with the mold and material I have to date, although I did produce some glossy ones in black and a few other colors early on.

I would hope to sell a final product for $20 plus shipping, but at this point I will sell the few samples I've produced for $15 delivered in order to get some feedback. If you are interested, and do NOT live in Missouri (I'm not ready to deal with the sales tax people until I'm sure I'm in business) please send me a PM. I will send PayPal payment instructions. If there is more interest than I have product I'll pick the "lucky" folks who get the payment instructions, so if you'd like to say just why you really need a lightweight grip adapter right now please embellish your PM. Please don't ask for one of these if you won't give me some feedback after you get it and try it.

I've attached some images of what I've done so far. It's hard to tell, but one of 'em is a medium gray, which just sort of "happened" with one of the black castings. I do have black and white dyes and can try to make gray if there's an interest, as well as a number of other colors (green, or blue, anybody?)

Thanks for any interest.[ATTACH]

im interested, PM sent. can you also take a pic of the one on the far right, the beige one on your gun please?

Kingmedicine · #**298** 06-04-2011, 10:49 PM

Wrangler! those looks pretty damn good! Ill be in line when (or if) the K frame ones get made. Nice work!

tall gunner · #**299** 06-04-2011, 11:39 PM

I think they look great! I'm dying to try one of these out but I'm in Missouri so I'll shut up and listen to what others have to say.

Cooter Brown · #**300** 06-05-2011, 08:09 AM

Wrangler, those look terrific!

I hope this works out for you and that you are able to expand to other frame sizes. I'll be in line for a K frame or two.

If you don't mind my asking, how are you attaching the copper tab?