MORE NEW NO LOCK SMITHS?

[357Ruger]

Anybody know if Smith will be coming out with "No Lock" revolvers in the K, L and N frames?

[18DAI]

I spoke to someone yesterday concerning my pre lock PC 586-5 L-comp. I won't identify him, but after he told me that the "CLC" prefix were the initials of a female employee at the distributor who ordered the L-comps and that mine was one of around 200 and delivered on 01-27-00 - I said "if there is ever another run of lock free 586 L-comps, I'll buy one!".

There was a lengthy pause......and he advised me to "call him back around February 1st 2012 if I wanted a new lock free L-comp."!! I guess we will see.....

Hopefully corporate greed will overcome corporate arrogance. Regards 18DAI

[357Ruger]

That is awesome news!!! I can start adding S&W to my collection again. Well I've still been adding them but it requires me to search out like new pre-lock guns.
I have two of the lock guns and really don't ever want to buy any more.

My Ruger collection has over taken the Smiths since they started using the internal lock.

[Magnumdood]

If it's not used as a defensive/carry/bedside weapon, pull that lock out, put the plug in and rock.

[357Ruger]

Originally Posted by Magnumdood

If it's not used as a defensive/carry/bedside weapon, pull that lock out, put the plug in and rock.

I still don't like spending good money on a gun that comes with a hole drilled in the side of it.

[Hondo44]

Originally Posted by Magnumdood

If it's not used as a defensive/carry/bedside weapon, pull that lock out, put the plug in and rock.

If it IS used as a defensive/carry/bedside weapon, pull that lock out

[ltxi]

Originally Posted by Hondo44

If it IS used as a defensive/carry/bedside weapon, pull that lock out

I believe the point was legal issues.

[williamlayton]

I believe the point of pulling it out is lethal & safety issues.
Blessings

[Hondo44]

Originally Posted by ltxi

I believe the point was legal issues.

Only if you shoot someone by accident, not if you shoot them on purpose.

[olskool]

i believe the point is a bunch of political correct hogwash, catering to a bunch of liberal clueless morons, that are anti american. but hey, that is just my redneck S.C. opinion.

[johnsonl]

Yeah, well, the Virginia rednecks feel the same way.

[Bailey Boat]

If Smith began to offer all of thier guns either with, or without the lock, they wouldn't be able to keep up with the no lock demand.....

[Tyrod]

Originally Posted by olskool

i believe the point is a bunch of political correct hogwash, catering to a bunch of liberal clueless morons, that are anti american. but hey, that is just my redneck S.C. opinion.

I agree about the hogwash! However, it is quite American to be liberal, clueless and moronic. Just as it is to be conservative, clueless and moronic. But hey, that's just my american opinion.

[snubbiefan]

For those that don't know....I believe S&W is now owned by a lock company as a platform in which to install their locks. I would fall out of my chair if they actually dropped the lock and became a gun company again as opposed to a lock company. It ain't going to happen!

Not a basher....but a proud owner of several no-lock Smith's. I have purchased IL's before, but only because I new I could trade them to the unsuspecting, or uncaring owners for their older no-lock weapons.

[stantheman86]

If S&W offered no-lock revolvers in all the frame sizes, not just Airweight J's, I would happily suck up all the used IL K and L frames that would appear on the market for giveaway prices........ I took me all of about 30 minutes to remove the IL from my 10-14 and put in a plug and it's one of the best S&W's I own.........lock is gone, shoots like a dream.......... problem solved.

[4inch357]

Originally Posted by 357Ruger

I still don't like spending good money on a gun that comes with a hole drilled in the side of it.

I'm with you, I don't care that it can be plugged either.

[snubbiefan]

Great debate guys...to each his own. The "Boss" may lock this thread if it morphs into a food-fight, which I am not trying to do, or want to see happen.

Lets all enjoy our Smith's....lock or no lock...plug or no plug!

[Maximumbob54]

I'm shocked this thread isn't locked already. But I will admit the only reason I haven't sold a kidney to afford a new 586+ Carry Comp is the hole in the side. Every time I see one behind the glass I have to pause. But my eye is always drawn to that spot and I move on to the used section. I love the Altamont round butt boot grip that comes on the new 586's. If anyone at S&W ever really does skim these... I will add that a three inch round butt 581 would make me sell the other kidney right after the first one.

As long as I'm dreaming, they could bring back three inch and two and a half inch 19's and 66's again...

[luangtom]

I do believe it WAS once an issue of liability and legality. With the same models of revolvers coming out without the locks, I would suspect it is a non-issue now. Of course, that is just my opinion.....

[batmann]

Actually, the IL is a storage device and not a true 'lock'. Once Smith, Ruger Taurus and many others opened that door, it will not close.

[M3Stuart]

As far as I'm concerned, they could leave A lock on their guns. I just wish they'd hide it like Ruger does. From what I understand, Ruger has one, they just hide it under the grip.

[johnsonl]

I'd like to see the factory start putting out the Classic line w/o the lock, MIM parts and put the dern firing pin back up on the hammer, where it belongs!
Sure they'd need hand fitting. I'd pay a premium price for a premium revolver. I do that now, buying up the old ones.

[stantheman86]

It's a fact of life we have to accept in this age of CYA. Just because the lock is there doesn't mean you have to use it.

I would rather see S&W make IL revolvers than none at all, if they ceased revolver production the prices of the older models would go through the roof. Let's be thankful for what we have rather than "boycotting" or trashing the new S&W's. Even if you never touch an IL S&W, and only buy and shoot the older ones, you are still enjoying the benefits of the new ones whether you realize it or not.

[XTrooper]

Originally Posted by ltxi

I believe the point was legal issues.

I don't want to get back into this argument, BUT the "legal issue" regarding the lock is pure, paranoid BS. The internal lock is NOT a safety, it is exactly what it is stated to be, i.e., a lock. Nothing less, nothing more. If you have to shoot someone, the internal lock is necessarily going to be unlocked. Always. Every time. Having it permanently unlocked doesn't change this.

[goldenbb]

Even if they were to ditch the lock, they would still have to put the firing pin back where it belongs.

[ltxi]

Originally Posted by Hondo44

Only if you shoot someone by accident, not if you shoot them on purpose.

No, specifically if you shoot them on purpose. Disabling safety devices. Not that I personally believe this, it's lawyers, lawyers, lawyers...... Mas kinda weighed in on this re his M&P 340.

[Inspector-Callahan]

Originally Posted by XTrooper

I don't want to get back into this argument, BUT the "legal issue" regarding the lock is pure, paranoid BS. The internal lock is NOT a safety, it is exactly what it is stated to be, i.e., a lock. Nothing less, nothing more.

Yep, no truer words.... A solution without a problem. And also Saf-T-Hammer's way of saying please call us "Smith & Wesson Holdings Company", not Saf-T-Hammer, which is our super-secret name!

IC

[BigBill]

If the loc saves one childs life from an adult who doesn't know how to lock up his loaded guns then the loc is ok with me. I'm talking a childs life here.

I have two new n frames with the loc and there ok so far.

[jt1]

originally posted by BigBill

If the loc saves one childs life

Innocent..... It's supposed to be "one innocent child".....



jt

[4506517]

Remember........it's for the children

[Hondo44]

Originally Posted by BigBill

If the loc saves one childs life from an adult who doesn't know how to lock up his loaded guns then the loc is ok with me. I'm talking a childs life here.

I have two new n frames with the loc and there ok so far.

If an adult isn't smart enough to lock up their guns, who can concieve they would be smart enough to use the lock? It's not a passive device you know.

If I hear the "saves one child" specious speculative mumbo jumbo one more time I'm gonna' barf! Whoever buys into that anti-logic is thinking in a vacum and hasn't thought it through because we wouldn't have child innoculations, play school football or any sports, let them ride horses, let them walk to school, be anywhere w/o an adult, drive cars, fly in airplanes, etc., all activities responsible for far more child deaths than the lack of a dumb firearm lock.

What about saving just one potential victim's life in a life-threatening situation when the lock malfunctions? Locks do and have failed by going into lock mode on their own as documented on this forum.

[remat457]

Originally Posted by BigBill

If the loc saves one childs life from an adult who doesn't know how to lock up his loaded guns then the loc is ok with me. I'm talking a childs life here.

I have two new n frames with the loc and there ok so far.

I am guessing that if they don't know how to safely store a pistol they they aren't going to be able to figure out how to work the lock or find the key.

[cmort666]

Originally Posted by Magnumdood

If it's not used as a defensive/carry/bedside weapon, pull that lock out, put the plug in and rock.

If it fails and you get killed, you don't have to worry about getting sued, for sure. Of course I could just not have a gun at all and let somebody murder me. I'll be dead either way, but I won't have spent hundreds of dollars for the "privilege"...

[cmort666]

Originally Posted by stantheman86

It's a fact of life we have to accept in this age of CYA. Just because the lock is there doesn't mean you have to use it.

Actually sometimes the lock ITSELF insists that it gets "used" and without asking you.

Until S&W either drops the lock or at least changes to a reliable design, they won't be getting any of my money.

[cmort666]

Originally Posted by BigBill

If the loc saves one childs life from an adult who doesn't know how to lock up his loaded guns then the loc is ok with me. I'm talking a childs life here.

Wouldn't a total ban on handguns accomplish that goal FAR more effectively?

Can you explain why you're right, but Chuck Schumer and Josh Sugermann aren't even MORE right?

[wheelyfun66]

Originally Posted by BigBill

If the loc saves one childs life from an adult who doesn't know how to lock up his loaded guns then the loc is ok with me. I'm talking a childs life here.

I have two new n frames with the loc and there ok so far.

I have a trigger lock device that is foolproof, and makes the weapon totally inoperable. It cost less than $5.!
I also have a gun safe. It cost less than $100.

There is ZERO chance of either of those two devices locking up my weapon when I intend it to work.....

I own a 66-5 snub and a NO LOCK 340M&P...
and would not own either one....if they had an internal lock system on them.

[Tyrod]

Damn, I've got a headache now. What were we talking about?

[Maximumbob54]

We were getting all whipped up again with an internet rumor mill post of maybe dropping the lock could be coming soon to a S&W near you. And then the beating the dead horse resumed and was quickly followed up with a "if it saves only one innocent child" post. And by then the wildfire was going full disco inferno. I don't know if the mods have just missed this one, or if they are all trying to fix their broken chairs from having fallen out of them laughing so hard that we are all still so willing to do this. I'm guilty, I admit it. It's a bad habit of mine that I suffer from and still have trouble keeping in check.

[Tyrod]

Here's the thing about innocent children. Is there such a thing as an un-innocent (presumably guilty) child. If so, I guess they get what they deserve. Or perhaps it's just open season on them. No?

The reality is that the adjective "innocent" is used to embelish child for the purposes of evoking additional, sometimes irrational, sentiment. Politicians and their aids are masters of dreaming this BS up.

Maybe the solution is to put locks on the children! Or better yet put locks on the mouths of politicians. Or just lock 'em up entirely. It's been my observation that no one party is worse than the other in dreaming up this kind of emotional rhetoric.

[Hondo44]

Originally Posted by Maximumbob54

We were getting all whipped up again with an internet rumor mill post of maybe dropping the lock could be coming soon to a S&W near you. And then the beating the dead horse resumed and was quickly followed up with a "if it saves only one innocent child" post. And by then the wildfire was going full disco inferno. I don't know if the mods have just missed this one, or if they are all trying to fix their broken chairs from having fallen out of them laughing so hard that we are all still so willing to do this. I'm guilty, I admit it. It's a bad habit of mine that I suffer from and still have trouble keeping in check.

"if it saves only one innocent child" is a good 'sound bite' that's all. As long as this thread continues as 'civil discourse' the Mods will pobably leave it alone if it doesn't get political.

[357Ruger]

I was really hoping to find out if anyone had information concerning Smith possibly dropping the lock in more of their revolvers.
Didn't really intend to get the whole lock/no lock debate going again.