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Dumb Question about "dash" or "no dash"
I'm new to this forum, so I'll apologize in advance for such a dumb question. However, I hear guys talk all the time about a 637-2, or 686 no dash. I have no idea what this means. Does the dash denote what generation the pistol is?
I'm looking at a 686+, 4". I have no idea if it has a dash and if so what number the dash is.
Would someone please explain this to me?
Thanks for your help,
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The dashes indicate the engineering changes that were made to each revolver over the years. Some would call them improvements. There is some debate on that.
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The "dash" indicates an engineering and production change to a particular model. For example, regular production of the model 686 began in 1980. The 686-1 was in 1986 with the addition of the floating hand, etc. etc. The 686-4 introduced the first 686 Plus 7 shot version.
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The "dash" indicates an engineering and production change to a particular model. For example, regular production of the model 686 began in 1980. The 686-1 was in 1986 with the addition of the floating hand, etc. etc. The 686-4 introduced the first 686 Plus 7 shot version.
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The 686-4 would be the one to buy Research Nerd. It has the forged parts, and NO LOCK.......
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One Eye Joe,
I think that's the one I'm looking at. My LGS said they could order it for me. I haven't looked at it yet, we're still talking price.
Either way, freaking beautiful gun.
Thanks for the help,
Ryan Z.
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One Eye Joe,
I think that's the one I'm looking at. My LGS said they could order it for me.
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No it's not.
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Either way, freaking beautiful gun.
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Yes it is.
If you're buying to shoot the gun, and not collect, ignore the dash and just buy the model you like, new or used as you desire, at the best price you can.
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My LGS said they could order it for me.
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Ryan,
Welcome to the forum, first of all. As has been mentioned, don't be afraid to ask questions. In my experience, you're not nearly as apt to be treated shabbily here as is so often the case on other sites.
If your dealer said he can "order" the gun you're looking at, that tells us that it is a new gun. Is that correct? If so, you won't be getting a 686-4. Each engineering change means that the previous dash number has been discontinued. In this case, the -4 model was succeeded by the -5 in 1997 and thus discontinued. When one eye joe was encouraging you to buy the -4, he was telling you to look for a used revolver.
Hope this is helpful.
Andy
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Ryan,
Welcome to the forum, first of all. As has been mentioned, don't be afraid to ask questions. In my experience, you're not nearly as apt to be treated shabbily here as is so often the case on other sites.
If your dealer said he can "order" the gun you're looking at, that tells us that it is a new gun. Is that correct? If so, you won't be getting a 686-4. Each engineering change means that the previous dash number has been discontinued. In this case, the -4 model was succeeded by the -5 in 1997 and thus discontinued. When one eye joe was encouraging you to buy the -4, he was telling you to look for a used revolver.
Hope this is helpful.
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CORRECT, Andy. Sorry I didn't make that clear........
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The model of the gun as labelled at the gun store would be for example a Model 60. But when you open the yoke of the gun you will see on the lower inside right by the hinge the model number as follows: "MOD 60" (no dash) or "MOD 60-14". As the others said and as you guessed the "no dash" is the original model (made many years ago) and each subsequent dash number indicates a significant engineering change or generation of the gun.
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What those guys said....
If you get into collecting S&W's, you should know that the number of the engineering change can have a significant impact on the value of the gun.
For example, Model 27 revolvers no longer had pinned barrels and recessed cylinders with the introduction of 27-3. The 27-2 models, and older, seem to bring higher prices. There are other examples where the value of different engineering changes is much more significant.
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I'm new to this forum, so I'll apologize in advance for such a dumb question. However, I hear guys talk all the time about a 637-2, or 686 no dash. I have no idea what this means. Does the dash denote what generation the pistol is?
I'm looking at a 686+, 4". I have no idea if it has a dash and if so what number the dash is.
Would someone please explain this to me?
Thanks for your help,
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Don't be afraid to ask questions here, that's how you learn. MOST members are glad to help. The ones that don't usually don't know **** anyway.
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I'm new to this forum, so I'll apologize in advance for such a dumb question.
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Don't be afraid to ask questions here, that's how you learn. MOST members are glad to help. The ones that don't usually don't know **** anyway.
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RN... as you are new to the forum... hello the camp and welcome to, IMHO, the finest forum anywhere!
As stated by 1 old 0311, ask and ye shall receive. As I look at it, there's no such thing as a dumb question. One can, however, make a dumb mistake.
Blessings,
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Research, www.handloads.com is a great site! There is a section that explains different Smith models, and dashes(changes) Handloading data, and reloading cost calculater. Check it out! Bob
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