Most shooters know that 22 revolvers can't be tuned as well as their centerfire counterparts. Has anyone ever talked to any ammo company about why 22 rimfire cartridges cannot be redesigned so it takes less pressure to fire them. This would make it easier to lighten the double action trigger pull. Also does any know what 22 ammo has softer brass rims? Thanks.
22 LR ammo with softer rims
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AveragEd
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Now that's a problem I've never had! And several years ago, I bought one box of every domestic hunting and target .22LR load to test-fire for cleanliness, accuracy and velocity consistency in my 617s (older no-dash guns) and Remington 541T bolt-action rifles. I fired 10 rounds of each in all four guns and every one went "bang."
Possibly in fairness, I should say that I've never used any of the "off-brand" or imported ammo out there.
Ed
Possibly in fairness, I should say that I've never used any of the "off-brand" or imported ammo out there.
Ed
scooter123
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The problem with producing a 22 caliber ammunition that is more sensitive is that it would create a Safety and Liability issue. Even with todays "hard" rims there have been continuing reports of Out of Battery discharges with some semi auto 22 rifles. The cause is the extractor striking the rim of a case being fed.
Yeah, they could produce ammo marked as being suitable for use ONLY in revolvers but that won't solve the Liability issue. You can I both know that there will be people who ignore this requirement and the first one who got hurt would be filing a lawsuit. Bottomline you won't EVER see revolver specific 22LR with softer rims, the manufacturers lawyers just won't allow it.
What I would suggest you do is start reloading your centerfire calibers. In addition as part of that process get yourself a hand primer and start priming your cases by hand. Believe me after priming a few thousand cases you won't have any issues with the trigger on your 617 being too stiff.
Yeah, they could produce ammo marked as being suitable for use ONLY in revolvers but that won't solve the Liability issue. You can I both know that there will be people who ignore this requirement and the first one who got hurt would be filing a lawsuit. Bottomline you won't EVER see revolver specific 22LR with softer rims, the manufacturers lawyers just won't allow it.
What I would suggest you do is start reloading your centerfire calibers. In addition as part of that process get yourself a hand primer and start priming your cases by hand. Believe me after priming a few thousand cases you won't have any issues with the trigger on your 617 being too stiff.
David Sinko
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I once experienced one of the above mentioned slamfires when shooting a Ruger 10/22. It was Remington Thunderbolt that was the culprit. The round went off halfway chambered and blew the extractor out of the gun. Just the other day at the range I found a discarded .22 LR cartridge case that was blown out at the head exactly like the one that had let go on me.
I really want to carry Remington Viper in my stock 43C but the very first round I tried misfired on me. This is a stock revolver with full spring tension. I guess it's just the nature of the beast when dealing with .22 rimfire, though I have a very low opinion of Remington ammo in general.
Dave Sinko
I really want to carry Remington Viper in my stock 43C but the very first round I tried misfired on me. This is a stock revolver with full spring tension. I guess it's just the nature of the beast when dealing with .22 rimfire, though I have a very low opinion of Remington ammo in general.
Dave Sinko
TAROMAN
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There's a very fine line between too thick/hard and too thin/soft in 22 ammo.
Get it wrong in one direction and you get duds.
Go the other way and case heads can blow out.
Get it wrong in one direction and you get duds.
Go the other way and case heads can blow out.
handyandy357
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A few years ago I was trying out some Remington target ammo in my Ruger Mk1. After a few rounds a ball of fire shot out of the breach! Checking things out I found that the case head had blown completely off! Also messed up the firing pin.
Sorry, I forget the name, I just stay away from all Remington .22s now.
I now use nothing but Federal auto match and CCI minimags in it.
Sorry, I forget the name, I just stay away from all Remington .22s now.
I now use nothing but Federal auto match and CCI minimags in it.
After igniting the charge, the rim has to withstand the pressure of firing. Softer brass would probably be weaker (any metallurgists out there confirm/deny this is always/usually/not necessarily the case?) and might be more likely to fail, even when the round is fully chambered
For CCW and/or SD the new Hornady Critical defense 22 WMR seems to have a ot of promise. I found some at LGS and bought all they had 18 boxes. Then I started testing them in my various revolvers (and my Winchester 61 pump).
IN the little North American Arms you know you have fired something, but in slightly heavier guns, M650, M651, M651C they put out some substantial ooomph. Iwould have no problem depending on that round for defense. It penetrates several inches into 2X4" wood and expands reliably from snub barrels. I have no doubt that someone peforated by a couple of these rounds would lose interest in being a BG really rapidly. I looked through one of my holster drawers and found a long forgotten belt pouch that holds 12 WMRs in single holes in the drop section of the pouch. Starting to think that the 650 (3") or the 651C might be a nice combo field SD revolver.
IN the little North American Arms you know you have fired something, but in slightly heavier guns, M650, M651, M651C they put out some substantial ooomph. Iwould have no problem depending on that round for defense. It penetrates several inches into 2X4" wood and expands reliably from snub barrels. I have no doubt that someone peforated by a couple of these rounds would lose interest in being a BG really rapidly. I looked through one of my holster drawers and found a long forgotten belt pouch that holds 12 WMRs in single holes in the drop section of the pouch. Starting to think that the 650 (3") or the 651C might be a nice combo field SD revolver.
