FBI configuration Model 13 and the current FBI pistol qualification course.

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I was curious how well my FBI configuration (3" heavy barrel, round butt) Model 13 would do on the current FBI pistol qualification course, using 158 gr +P ammo.

The current FBI pistol qualification course of fire is as follows:

Target used is the QIT-99 or QIT-03
Course consists of a total of 60 rounds
Each round counts as one point
Any hits inside the target area count
You must draw from concealment for every string of shots
Passing score for Agents is 48 out of 60


Stage 1: 3 yard line

3 rounds in 3 seconds using your strong hand only
3 rounds in 3 seconds using your strong hand only
3 rounds using strong hand only, switch hands, 3 rounds using support hand only in 8 seconds

Total of 12 rounds for Stage 1


After Stage 1, all shooting is done with two hands


Stage 2: 5 yard line

3 rounds in 3 seconds
3 rounds in 3 seconds
3 rounds in 3 seconds
3 rounds in 3 seconds

Total of 12 rounds for Stage 2


Stage 3: 7 yard line

4 rounds in 4 seconds
4 rounds in 4 seconds
Have two magazines loaded with four rounds each. Fire four rounds, reload, fire another four rounds in 8 seconds.

Total of 16 rounds for Stage 3


Stage 4: 15 yard line

3 rounds in 6 seconds
3 rounds in 6 seconds
4 rounds in 8 seconds

Total of 10 rounds for Stage 4


Stage 5: 25 yard line

Requires barricade.
Move to cover and fire 2 rounds standing, then 3 rounds kneeling, all in 15 seconds
Move to cover and fire 2 rounds standing, then 3 rounds kneeling, all in 15 seconds

Total of 10 rounds for Stage 5

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Now...the tricky part for a revolver on this pistol oriented course of fire is this portion of Stage 3:

"Have two magazines loaded with four rounds each. Fire four rounds, reload, fire another four rounds in 8 seconds."

Getting eight rounds on target in eight seconds is a challenge with a 6 shot revolver. I found that to come close, I had to use the outdated FBI reload rather than my preferred Stress Fire reload.

Even then, the best I could accomplish in 2 qualification runs was 7 out of 8 rounds as round 8 left the barrel at 8.24 seconds on the first attempt and 8.29 seconds on the second attempt.

Even then, it was really moving given the concealed carry start and the concealed carry of the reload. However, I think with some practice I can shave off the extra third of a second and get 60/60.

The other stages were all easily done with around a half second to spare on the short range stages and 2-3 seconds to spare on the 25 yard stage. If there is a major impact, it's the need to fire all rounds in the 3, 5 and 7 yards stages in DA mode, rather than with the shorter, lighter, (but rather gritty and creepy) trigger on a Glock.

The 15 and 25 yard stages offered enough time to use the revolver in SA mode, which improved the score to 59/60 on the second run, as compared to 54/60 on the first attempt.

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Interesting. I'll have to get some of those targets and practice this course of fire with my 4" DAO Model 13. It would be appropriate for most situations where civilians would possibly need to consider shooting.

Thank you for posting.
 
I was curious how well my FBI configuration (3" heavy barrel, round butt) Model 13 would do on the current FBI pistol qualification course, using 158 gr +P ammo.

The current FBI pistol qualification course of fire is as follows:

Target used is the QIT-99 or QIT-03
Course consists of a total of 60 rounds
Each round counts as one point
Any hits inside the target area count
You must draw from concealment for every string of shots
Passing score for Agents is 48 out of 60


Stage 1: 3 yard line

3 rounds in 3 seconds using your strong hand only
3 rounds in 3 seconds using your strong hand only
3 rounds using strong hand only, switch hands, 3 rounds using support hand only in 8 seconds

Total of 12 rounds for Stage 1


After Stage 1, all shooting is done with two hands


Stage 2: 5 yard line

3 rounds in 3 seconds
3 rounds in 3 seconds
3 rounds in 3 seconds
3 rounds in 3 seconds

Total of 12 rounds for Stage 2


Stage 3: 7 yard line

4 rounds in 4 seconds
4 rounds in 4 seconds
Have two magazines loaded with four rounds each. Fire four rounds, reload, fire another four rounds in 8 seconds.

Total of 16 rounds for Stage 3


Stage 4: 15 yard line

3 rounds in 6 seconds
3 rounds in 6 seconds
4 rounds in 8 seconds

Total of 10 rounds for Stage 4


Stage 5: 25 yard line

Requires barricade.
Move to cover and fire 2 rounds standing, then 3 rounds kneeling, all in 15 seconds
Move to cover and fire 2 rounds standing, then 3 rounds kneeling, all in 15 seconds

Total of 10 rounds for Stage 5

-----

Now...the tricky part for a revolver on this pistol oriented course of fire is this portion of Stage 3:

"Have two magazines loaded with four rounds each. Fire four rounds, reload, fire another four rounds in 8 seconds."

Getting eight rounds on target in eight seconds is a challenge with a 6 shot revolver. I found that to come close, I had to use the outdated FBI reload rather than my preferred Stress Fire reload.

Even then, the best I could accomplish in 2 qualification runs was 7 out of 8 rounds as round 8 left the barrel at 8.24 seconds on the first attempt and 8.29 seconds on the second attempt.

Even then, it was really moving given the concealed carry start and the concealed carry of the reload. However, I think with some practice I can shave off the extra third of a second and get 60/60.

The other stages were all easily done with around a half second to spare on the short range stages and 2-3 seconds to spare on the 25 yard stage. If there is a major impact, it's the need to fire all rounds in the 3, 5 and 7 yards stages in DA mode, rather than with the shorter, lighter, (but rather gritty and creepy) trigger on a Glock.

The 15 and 25 yard stages offered enough time to use the revolver in SA mode, which improved the score to 59/60 on the second run, as compared to 54/60 on the first attempt.

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As a firearms instructer I allways encouraged students to cheat. It's a gunfight cheat to win. I'd shoot this with a full cylinder with two rounds ready to go in a 2x2x2 holder. I think goal is a "hot fast partal" reload vs 4 then 4.

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Nice shooting and i would also be completely comfortable
with a model 13.
Here's a pix of my 4" dash one with targets.
Top gun, bottom gun is a 18-2 combat masterpiece .22



Chuck
 
As a firearms instructer I allways encouraged students to cheat. It's a gunfight cheat to win. I'd shoot this with a full cylinder with two rounds ready to go in a 2x2x2 holder. I think goal is a "hot fast partal" reload vs 4 then 4.

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I've certainly considered it. And I'm not sure that it's all that much of a cheat. The FBI used to advocate reloading 2 rounds in a revolver with a speed strip and getting back in the fight sooner.
 
I shot the course once back in the mid 2000s. If I remember right it started at 50 yards.

Something like from the holster 2 on each target in 20 seconds.
From the holster 2 on each target then run up to 25 yards and 2 on each target in 35 seconds.

At 25 yards from the holster, loaded with 4 rounds, 2 on each target, reload and repeat, 12 seonds
From the holster 2 on each target, tactical reload and 2 on each target 15 seconds

I don't recall the rest. It really really was geared for autos and full size guns at that. Some guys shot the course with Glock 27s and struggled.
 
I just dropped the point. Knew I couldn't possibly reload from concealment in that time.
 
Our LEOSA state qualification course is pretty similar and I have done it w/a revolver, but it's a real challenge. Reloading, even with a speed loader, leaves you trying to play catch up. I normally use my Glock 17 and come pretty close to a perfect score.
 
Frankly that some fine shooting. I'd wager that most shooters without significant revolver training wouldn't pass.
 
Thanks.

I don't regard myself a s great revolver shot. I'm just an above average shot who shoots often. I try to get in at least a couple hundred rounds a week, and I try to make every reload a tactical reload whether I am shooting a pistol or a revolver.

Cast and plated bullet .38 hand loads loads are cheap enough to make it affordable, and my Dillon 550B is fast enough to keep the re-loading time to a minimum.
 
I've certainly considered it. And I'm not sure that it's all that much of a cheat. The FBI used to advocate reloading 2 rounds in a revolver with a speed strip and getting back in the fight sooner.
In a bar parking lot gunfight with a model 58. Bad guy, drunk had a dear rifle. I snapped three rounds changing positions. Killed a caddie, a Electra 225 and turned deer rifle into horseshoe shape. As bad guy had went down I took a moment to open cylinder partal push and release had empty starring at me with good sounds going back flush. Plucked bad out put 2x2 Bach with one good extra hitting parking lot. Peeked back out from the pinto I was hiding behind to see bg up and transitioning to a skinning knife. Female partner had arrived and put him out of our misery. Chief chewed me out for blasting expensive cars
Ahhhh memories.

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