No need for an unsightly internal lock for that purpose. Simply use the included cable padlock that's in the box of every S&W revolver, or use an actual lockbox/safe and don't leave the gun lying around. Both of those accomplish the same things without afflicting the gun directly.

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I knew if I left my 432PD and 640 Pro Series next to each other in the back of the safe long enough that something good would come of it!



SVT28


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I called Lipsey today girl I talked said March....ish they will be starting to ship the UC series of J frames

SAAMI max pressure, in CUP, (no PSI standard set for the 32 H&R) is 21K for the 32 H&R and 20K for 38 Spcl (+P).

Recoil, or performance, wise I can't see much full-tilt performance difference between a 100gr 32 H&R & a 110gr 38 Spcl (+P) from a 2" bbl J-frame.

The better sights are definitely welcome & the extra round is good but I'm fine carrying mild 357s in my J-frame so I think I'm good with what I've got.

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The 327 Federal has a 45K psi SAAMI max (no CUP standard set) pressure. I doubt the blast from it in a J-frame would be much better than from a 357.

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Waiting for the break of day

I'm interested into why S&W would work with another distributor like Lipsey. I thought they dropped all that with the Talo line and made it their own. What gives?.......

Pretty sure Lipsey offered them money and S&W took it. Occam's Razor and all.

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Do you recall where the lipsey's rep posted this?

When I started down the 32 road I bought boxes of 500 32 long and H&R brass. I also managed to collect up a bunch of loaded327 ammo. The regular 32 brass is hardest to find, but I had manage to get some of that when I was messing around with a couple 32 top breaks.

Just checked price on factory .32 H&R magnum.

All I’ll say is darn glad I reload.

Major thank you goes out to Nyeti. Refreshing to have a knowledgeable end user get involved in a project like this from the ground up. I have read a lot of Nyeti’s post on Pistol Forum but I’m embarrassed to admit I didn’t realize he was a member here. Absolutely some of the best information I’ve read on the use of the snub nose comes from Darryl and I highly recommend reading/following his stuff. Darryl you most certainly are “the guy.”

I’m definitely getting the 432, and maybe the 442. A friend is thinking of getting the 632 and 642. We were just talking about how great a 6 shot .32 Centennial would be and these appear. My birthday is in March, so I think I’ve found my birthday present to myself.

If they offered an equivalent K frame I’d buy a couple in each caliber, and I know several others who would buy them too.

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Wheel guns are real guns.

If they make it on the CA list, I'm in.

The lock generally is a forbidden topic, but the lock is not a safety feature. It was a political response to a question that was never asked. In addition, on other forums I have been told by people who are pretty savvy that some LE agencies prohibit revolvers with locks as it is a failure point that serves no legitimate purpose.
Kids? The proper place for your sidearm is on your person until and unless you have taught your kids what not to do, and even then, there is a good argument for carrying it.

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NHI, 10-8.

That holds true of virtually a calibers other than perhaps 9mm and 223. Of course the cost of primers have become a limiting factor for reloaders. If you cast bullets and preserve your brass, powder is used in such small weights that if you can get a decent price on primers, the 32 family is downright cheap to shoot with reloads. I save my factory ammo for “special occasions”.
Froggie

I don't think I've ever been excited for a new production unit of any kind...but I am now.

Been window shopping for an older 432 or 431 for many years but I always balked at the cost. Even if I spent the money I wouldn't feel right carrying such a rare collector piece. That seems to be a problem eliminated by these new models...and dare I say these look BETTER than the originals?

Be still, my heart.

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10mm aficionado

I literally just told myself that I am completely done ordering guns and then these come out which is everything I want in a J-frame.

I've already told my dealer to try finding me one and I'm kicking myself cause I wanted to be done.

I also hope that VZ adds those grips to their catalog. I do not care for sharp ledge at the top of their normal backstrap covering grips. If they offer these with the blended/tapered backstrap then I would order them for my 38s as well.

Didn't S&W previously manufacture 632s with a stainless steel frame?

I believe they did, but IIRC it was a totally different model with different features. Didn’t the earlier on come with a ported barrel? The one I just found listed also had an exposed hammer, the hated IL, and a blackened finish. Same number, different gun!
Froggie

What's so special about 32hr? I've just watched a few YouTube ballistics and barrier penetration test, and I looked up Lucky Gunner's ammo testing. I wasn't impressed at all and I don't understand why anyone would choose a 32hr over a 38 special especially being that ammo availability and selection with 38 special is more plentiful. It doesn't seem like it makes sense for self-defense or plinking purposes over 38 special.

I don't understand the hype over the new S&W uc 32h&r offering. Is this a case of people just wanting it because it's new or the grass is greener on the other side? Heck, on AmmoSeek.com, the cheapest ammo I see is over $1 per round! It doesn't make sense. It seems as 327 Federal would have made more sense than 32hr.

There were a couple PC models but the one you are probably alluding to is the 32H&R version of the 640 pro series I mentioned and shared a picture of earlier in this thread. Stainless with Trijicon night sights (the 640 is cut for moon clips). Finding and buying one is a difficult and pricey affair, though I don’t think they will command the same prices now that these UC’s have been released.

SVT28

Gosh, let's use the same model numbers for two revolvers again, they should of chambered another one in 30 Super Duper Carry

Well, I’d argue that the best part about 32H&R J frames is the plain fact that it has a capacity of 6 rounds, 20% more than a 38/357 J frame. That extra round very well could mean the difference between life or death.

Some other things I like about it that have been mentioned here and in the Lipsey video is the fact that you can shoot both magnum and 32 s&w long and short in it. All 32 long ammo tested on lucky gunner show 12”+ of penetration and no over penetration while in a low recoiling package. I reload, so cost is a non factor for me. I bought a case of 100 grain 32 Xtp bullets for 18 cents a round, so with an 8 cent primer and some W231 I can reload H&R for less than 30 cents a round.

Ok so self defense ammo is $1 a round or more factory loaded. Spend less than you do on a dinner out on the town and get 2 or 3 boxes of Buffalo Bore or Underwood and shoot 32 long for practice. 32 long is about the same cost as quality factory 38 special. Heck, the only self defense round I would consider in a short barrel 38 j frame is the HST, which is currently unobtainable and if you find it it’s definitely over $1 per round.

I will be first in line for one of the 432pds and I will now be able to carry/shoot my current 432pd more without worry about the frame cracking or additional wear on the finish.

Just my .02

SVT28

This is what I was alluding to. 520, M&P, Bodyguard, etc.- I wish people would respect established nomenclature. That said I think these revolvers look great.

As far as prices for .32, I've found to just search the internet for the best prices. Lanbos Armory has S&W Long right now for $20.07 a box of 50. .32 H&R does run more, but I see that as more of my SD round. My regular shooting will be with .32 S&W Long.

I decided to go the reloading route and ordered dies, bullets, and brass.

Here's the Lanbo's link if anyone wants to stock-up early.
Bot Verification

And Mid-South shooters actually has .32 H&R Critical Defense FTX ammo in stock if you prefer an HP over a WC for SD.

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Watch & Pray

I have trained a bunch of people, including my grandkids on safe firearm handling and how to fire a revolver using my 32 magnum revolvers. I start with mild 32 S&W, 32 Long, and then 32 magnum. Recoil and noise is a distraction for new shooters.
Once they are getting confidence in their abilities I will switch up and load a cylinder with a variety and let them try again. My 5th grader granddaughter face lights up when she hits bulls eye with every shot!

Training could help with this but my reply to the 32 h&r vs 38 spl question is that 32 h&r is much more controllable in the airweight j-frames and still delivers comparable results to 38 spl on the receiving end. In steel framed j-frames such as the 640, recoil is much more controllable and I might lean more to that cartridge when factoring in more frame heft. Training can help bridge the shooter’s ability to manage either cartridge but given similar guns, the lighter shooting gun will always be more manageable. While not dropping down to 22LR for less recoil, the 32 h&r cartridge is a good compromise between shootable and effective. The additional round in a j-frame cylinder is another bonus.

If one wants to carry the smallest lightest revolver that is still real effective the 32 SWL and the 32 H&R make a lot of sense. Less noise, less recoil and 6 rounds with about the same effectiveness as the 38 special that only holds 5 round.

While I do love big heavy bullets, the truth is accuracy is every bit as important as power.

All that coupled with the fact that light weight J frames are easy to carry and therefor MORE APT to be carried makes them a solid choice.

For those of us over the age of seventy, there was a song by the Lovin’ Spoonful that pretty well sums it up, “… it’s like tryin’ to tell a stranger ‘bout Rock n Roll.” Either you get it or you don’t. BTW, have you actually spent some quality time on the range or in the field with a good 32? It’s an experience not to be missed. I was a follower of Elmer Keith and still have a 8 3/8” Model 29, but for sheer joy of shooting, give me one of my 32s.
Froggie

Many people have been saying ever since I’ve been here 5 is enough.

For those who reload I have found Sierra 90gr semi jacketed HP running at 1008fps out of a 6" 16-4 or 6" single six to be very accurate! (using universal powder) I believe if they dont do a second run of these revolvers it wont be the guns fault.......but high ammo cost for those who dont reload..!

Hope I don’t loose this with forum problems.

I’m a big 32 nut and these J’s are “Super Cool”. “Love” the rear U notch rear and big round front sight. Plus the internal changes and better grips. These guns are what people made with a regular J in the past spending lots of money on to upgrade. In 327 it would be brutal, I don’t like shooting 327.

I used to carry a revolver usually a 642 or a K which was heavier and bulkier. Carried a Kimber K6 for 2 years, heavy. Had a K frame made by Andy Horvath with a 3” full lug bbl in .327. I rounded the grip. Nice 32 carry gun but bulky in the summer and easier to hide in the winter. Would be better in an alloy frame.

Also not sure if a 32 mag would be better than a 38 spec with defense ammo. We could argue this for days The ultimate 32 J would be my choice, it is something I would have had made years ago. “It fits my 32 addiction nicelyl. I reload so it’s not a problem, have a box of 32 mag defensive ammo downstairs

Decided that a Sig 365 would be better with 12 rounds or more. A “LOT” of friends carried one. Anyone that I would use it on probably has a hi cap something so I have a hard time going back to a revolver. Every time I think to grab a revolver, I take the 365 instead. Have my wife’s 642 but it stays in the safe. A light weight small gun with 6 shots is great.

Again, these J frame revolvers get my attention big time and I am sure I could find a situation I would take it with me. The price is right on these guns and pride of ownership would be strong. Shooting it at the Tuesday morning old guys shoot would be fun but I have other 32’s sitting in the safe not being used and fun to shoot. Larry

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5 is enough. 6 is enough plus 1.....

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Even older, even crankier....

If you go over to the ASSRA.com the single shot rifle guys will tell you one shot is enough… one good shot, that is!

It’s all in your perspective, my friend, all in your perspective.

Froggie

You're kidding, right?
It takes me less time to stick my gun in a bedside safe than it does to turn on that stoopid lock.

Thanks Dump1657 for the heads up! I told my favorite Lipsey dealer to put my name one the first one he gets in. Now I’ve got to patiently wait for him to call and let me know it in in.

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I did the same with my dealer.

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So many S&W's, so few funds!!

IF your over 300yard away they are 100% correct. At 15 yards they are 100% wrong, especially against multiple attackers

As far as the LOCK goes. I would be willing to bet that 99% of the revolvers so equipped never ever get the lock engaged. As stated small lock boxes are faster to use and have the HUGE advantage of better securing you gun from theft. When I absolutely must leave my gun and want it secured, I use the kind that uses the tubular key, difficult to pic not easy to quickly defeat for casual thief. I have given both of my step daughters alloy J frames with the lock, Both also go one of those boxes at the same time. Anyone can pick up a S&W revolver with the lock engaged and walk away with it then use a easy to obtain universal key on it or just flat remove it in a few minutes with just a screw driver. About as secure as everyone locking their houses with the same key. Would you do that? What makes you think it is that great for your guns

PS, I have bought alloy J frames in 38 special and then equipped them with 32 cylinders and barrels. If I can find a steel Magnum J frame it will become a 327 mag. I know from experience it is to hard to control an alloy J frame so set up.

I'm not a fan of J frames for self protection use for a lot of reasons, some of which are just mine and won't apply to others. While I don't see this model fitting any of my likely needs, if that changes, I would snag one of these. Better sights and action make a huge difference in the utility of a J frame to me.

I have been somewhat familiar with Nyeti's research and writing for 17 or so years; he is a friend of friends and his skill and knowledge are based on years of work. I would trust his insights and judgment about serious use firearms more than almost anyone else in the firearms industry.

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Availability and price of all factory ammo, with a couple of exceptions, has been all over the map lately. Sometimes a new offering from a major manufacturer can provide an incentive for the ammo producers to increase production and can even lower the price sometimes. I do not enjoy the .327 mag as much as any other .32 and I own several .32 H&R mag revolvers that are about as much fun as you can handle. I cast and reload all of the .32 rounds and I find the .32 with the least amount of powder and lead to be the most economic centerfire round to shoot and enjoy.

As others have said this is the first gun in a very.....VERY long time that I am excited about. Called my dealer on Tuesday & my name is top on the list.

My order in as well. I think the initial rush for these guns is going to be fairly heavy. Obviously Lipsey thinks they will sell well.

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Jim
Many K and N Frames

I like the sights-that's about it. I've got a 317, a 337 and a 638-2 all without locks. I'm 68 years old. I think I've got enough already. The K frame however intrigues me....

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Forum consigliere

I'm sure they'll end-up on Gunbroker first with bids over $1K. Those that want to pay a reasonable price will probably have to wait a few months.

And per the video below, dealer price will be $599 (you can see it on the tag hanging off the gun). Shipping end of February.

New Smith & Wesson "Ultimate Carry" Airweight Revolvers -The Firearm Blog

New Smith & Wesson "Ultimate Carry" Airweight Revolvers - YouTube

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Watch & Pray

Glad to see this happening, but there is a caveat - holsters. You would think that any J-frame holster would work and there certainly is a plethora of them out there. However, you may find that a J-frame holster, typically made for a .38/.357 J-frame has the cylinder flutes boned in. The .32's are 6-shot cylinders and thus the flutes are placed differently. I have a very nice Andrews MacDaniel II for my 638 and 940 J's. Tried it with my 331 and 431 and found that while I could force it in - which I really don't want to do - it was a bad fit for 6-shot cylinder. Eventually would have ruined the holster and would have impeded any draw-stroke in the meantime. So you need a holster boned for a 6-shot cylinder or one that is not boned at all in the cylinder area (like for an unfluted cylinder).

Just a word to the wise. For those out there already packing a .32 J-frame, what are your findings and what do you use?

Adios,

Pizza Bob

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The answer is Simply Rugged pancakes...

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Even older, even crankier....

I have a 432PD, with the barrel configuration they show on these new models, I found the barrel was not compatible with several of my existing J frame holsters, but the cylinder would go in if they were a bit broken in.

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Tony

They are planning to have them submitted.

I agree to above. Much ado about nothing. Will just become another "collector" gun. Makes zero sense with the availability of .38 special and .357 and how you can choose your recoil level with light or hot loads of each. Nobody is going to find .32 H&R at the local overpriced gunshop. Come on guys. Smith should focus on quality control and nothing else right now. Making some real junk currently.

Same reason some folks like matcha tea ice cream or concrete grey cars. Personal preferences are personal.

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