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Old 01-21-2024, 07:01 PM
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.38 Spl. will also be available.
Per the website, MSRP will be $759. 632UC, 432UC, 442UC, & 642UC.

Iíll be all over either of the .32ís.

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Old 01-21-2024, 07:37 PM
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I like any revolver with good sights, and not a lock among them. Definately interested in these!

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Reintroducing a .32 H&R magnum j frame models is way overdue, so it's good they are responding the consumers.

As for the .38 special models, this is nice because it gives you all of the features of the scandium guns, with a better rear sight, and they doesn't have the scandium gun prices. I don't think many of the scandium gun owners shoot .357 magnum through those anyway.
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Just when I was getting used to carrying my H&R .32 center pin revolver. Now I'll have to carry another cartridge in my inventory. I was just getting enough .32 S&W Long. I'd hate to get them mixed up.

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Wow, and not a lock among them. Definately interested in these!

They've been doing no-lock enclosed hammer j-frames for a while.

If they come out with a no-lock K,L or N frame, they will really be on to something.
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With my bad eyes the thing I like best is improved three dot sights.
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Actually, there is just one dot- the high visibility Tritium front sight. They kept it simple and efficient with a serrated U notch rear sight. A great setup.
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Everything looks like an upgrade and I might be tempted, but one thing puzzles me: why .32 H&R instead of .327 Federal?
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I think they knocked it out of the park with this:

1. No-lock
2. A front sight you can see - Especially for us aging shooters with bad eyesight & who grew-up with J frames
3. An action job
4. Chamfered cylinder holes
5. Sights regulated to popular SD ammo choices
6. Grips that cover the back strap (personal preference, but I've got long fingers, an appreciate the extra reach).
7. .32 H&R giving you 6 rounds and a choice of .32 H&R, .32 S&W Long .32 S&W. This is great for recoil sensitive shooters.
8. A price tag that will probably be around the mid $600's.

Take my money.
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Everything looks like an upgrade and I might be tempted, but one thing puzzles me: why .32 H&R instead of .327 Federal?
Probably isn't a scandium frame and doesn't have the strength. Or the over $1K price tag that would go with it. I think .32 H&R is at the same pressure as .38 Spl+P.

I haven't found any advertised weight, but I'm guessing around 15-17 oz. depending on grip choice.
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Lipseys is a distributor, so your LGS should be able to purchase directly from them.
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When will it be available?
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Iím seeing late FebruaryÖ.
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The aluminum frames can't handle the higher pressures of the 327 Federal.
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Really excited for these. Anyone know the weight ?
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Supposed to weigh 16 ounces. Seems like they really knocked this one out of the park. I'd really love to see a stainless, six shot 327 Fed version of it. This one is almost identicaly to my 340 M&P as far as how its set up. I have the same VZ grips on it and an Apex trigger kit.
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HECK YEAH! Dibs on the 432.
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MSRP $759

If it's an "allocated" item, you will see exactly one at your LGS within 18 months. And not for a penny less than MSRP.

I see a lot of eye candy here but no real gain in practical performance. Front sight looks snaggy and grips too big for pocket/hideout carry. A simple red ramp would have sufficed for the accuracy potential of an aluminum frame DAO, and been lower profile with the usual fixed rear sight. Yeah I'm not seeing what is so great about this, other than a long-ignored calibre.

If S&W eventually makes a plain jane version, and a steel frame exposed hammer version, I might be interested.

It may sell, until the customer fails to see any .32 H&R Mag ammo on the shelf, and the price when it finally appears. I say this as a proponent of this round.
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If it's an "allocated" item, you will see exactly one at your LGS within 18 months. And not for a penny less than MSRP.

I see a lot of eye candy here but no real gain in practical performance. Front sight looks snaggy and grips too big for pocket/hideout carry. A simple red ramp would have sufficed for the accuracy potential of an aluminum frame DAO, and been lower profile with the usual fixed rear sight. Yeah I'm not seeing what is so great about this, other than a long-ignored calibre.

If S&W eventually makes a plain jane version, and a steel frame exposed hammer version, I might be interested.

It may sell, until the customer fails to see any .32 H&R Mag ammo on the shelf, and the price when it finally appears. I say this as a proponent of this round.
I've got the identical grips on my M&P340 and they hide in a pocket or ankle holster just fine, with no telltale printing. The front sight on this model is quite similar to the XS big dot I've got, and it doesn't snag unless you're not using a pocket holster, which should never be the case. I agree about 32H&R. I haven't seen it on a shelf in ages, and its not very widely available online, and not in any large quantity. As much as I love reloading I won't buy a caliber without it having readily available quality defensive ammo.
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Extremely well thought out design.

Every feature seems ideal for the purpose of concealed and carry with a revolving central-fire pistol.
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A Lipseys' rep has posted elsewhere today that they are trying for the same or similar models in the K frame, but that may be next year. I'm very happy about these new UC J frames, but I'm ecstatic over the idea of a similar K frame.
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Grips, shrouded ejector rod, trigger job, sights regulated for modern ammunition. What took them so long? J-Frame fans been wanting this for decades. I’ll buy one. Looks like S&W is paying attention to Kimber.
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Everything looks like an upgrade and I might be tempted, but one thing puzzles me: why .32 H&R instead of .327 Federal?
My guess is the aluminum frame they are using can handle the pressures of the .32 H&R but not the .327.

If they wanted to go with the .327 they'd probably have to use a steel frame or scandium alloy.
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I think you are right. Kimber has shown some innovation and Colt is producing some nice revolvers.

Maybe Smith is finally waking up now that it had some real competition in the revolver market.
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Per the website, MSRP will be $759. 632UC, 432UC, 442UC, & 642UC.

Iíll be all over either of the .32ís.

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Thanks for posting this. That is exciting news! Been wanting to get my hands on a .32 j frame at a reasonable price for quite some time now.
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Iíll definitely be checking them out at the SHOT Show this week.
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I lurk at pistol forum, apparently one of the members there had a lot of input into this. I’d love a 3 inch version or even better a K Frame. Omitting the Hilary hole and usable sights are a major step in the right direction. I’m optimistic about the future of new Smith revolvers going forward. Please don’t let me down!
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I am that guy. This is the first of many projects. The things that were critical on this will be with everything. No lock, sights that are functional, reliable, and efficient for the mission the gun is intended to fill. I cannot reference the entity we created that is doing the consulting and training stuff on this forum, so my posting will be extremely limited if any, but we do have a very in depth understanding of what is needed to make solid revolvers.
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I am that guy. This is the first of many projects. The things that were critical on this will be with everything. No lock, sights that are functional, reliable, and efficient for the mission the gun is intended to fill. I cannot reference the entity we created that is doing the consulting and training stuff on this forum, so my posting will be extremely limited if any, but we do have a very in depth understanding of what is needed to make solid revolvers.

Firstly, thanks for your role in bringing these revolvers to fruition. This seems to be the best thing Smith had done with their revolver line in quite some time.

I have one question though. In Lipsey's video introduction of the revolvers, they said Smith changed the geometry of some parts to achieve a lighter, smoother trigger pull.

Is that for real? Did Smith really change the revolver's internals?
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Iíd be curious to know also about what parts changed and in knowing about interchangeability for adapting any pre-existing j frame internals for upgrade. Not sure Iíd actually change internals but itís always good to know options.

Iím glad to see 32 H&R mag getting more love. In answer to those asking for 327 fed mag chamberings I think availability would be neat but in interest of keeping cost down the H&R mag probably makes more sense. The full bore 327s are really no fun to shoot unless out a larger platformÖ in a lightweight j frameÖ no thanks. There are some fairly warm 32 h&r mag loads out there. I hope the market produces more and widely available ammo offerings in that cartridge.

I think my biggest reason that Iíd love one of these ultimate carry Lipseys is the drift adjustable rear sight. Match that with 32 h&r chambering and Iíd be happy as can be.

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Everything looks like an upgrade and I might be tempted, but one thing puzzles me: why .32 H&R instead of .327 Federal?
Having made a alloy J frame into a 327 mag, to me the answer is recoil. It is a pretty big jump in recoil from 32H&R. It is not that it is painful, but controlling it in such a small light gun and getting back on target for a second shot takes way longer.

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I lurk at pistol forum, apparently one of the members there had a lot of input into this. Iíd love a 3 inch version or even better a K Frame. Omitting the Hilary hole and usable sights are a major step in the right direction. Iím optimistic about the future of new Smith revolvers going forward. Please donít let me down!
Like this K frame I made up in 327 mag
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I have no problem finding .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag. online. In fact, midwayusa has both in stock right now. Even my local Sportsmans warehouse has .32 S&W Long. And Buffalo Bore offers both in a +P loading they claim is safe in any .32 H&R mag guns if you need more power. With these being released, I would think manufacturers will probably increase production.
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Well there goes $700 of my hard earned dollars My EDC currently is a 332ti, here is a new version, with better sights, better trigger and bigger grips. .32 H&R is a decent round and goes well with a J frame.
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To answer a couple questions.
Yes, there are internal engineering changes to offer better durability and the test guns have great triggers out of the box.

I am a huge fan of .32. I have been running .327 LCR’s and various Smiths extensively. .327 Fed Mag is a great round, BUT you cannot run it a lightweight aluminum frame gun. Has Ruger done the LCR in .32 H&R (or a variant) like this one it would be in the 5 ounce lighter .38 lightweight frame LCR and not in the .357 Magnum weight LCR. I use these guns extensively and actually train and shoot. The juice is not worth the squeeze of the trade off in recoil, and strew on the gun to put .357 or .327 in sub pound guns. For those who think it is irrelevant, that has not been my experience as a high level instructor for 35 years and running the biggest revolver centric training class at Gunsite every year. We see far better consistent performance with rounds that have low recoil in the snubs. That is why I pushed so hard early in this project for a .32 H&R version. Personally, I run .32 Long in rounds that we have seen solid performance in gelatin testing.
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How does one go about ordering from Lipsey?
Lipsey's is a distributor only.

You can do an inquiry with your local FFL Gun Store and place a special order.
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I have had truly awful QC/durability issues with modern S&W revolvers, I have better carry options, and I absolutely do not need another airweight revolver, but damned if they haven't made exactly what I really wanted back when I carried a J frame a lot. I'm going to have a really hard time not ending up with one of those .32s, though the 38 doesn't look too shabby either.
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Yeah count me in for a .32 as well, dang it...
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Im going to at least get at least one of each. If Darryl Bolke and Lost River Ammo are involved you can guarantee its going to be right. Heck aside from the one with the D&L sights Ill probably sell my scandium titanium 342 38s and move into these.
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Im going to at least get at least one of each. If Darryl Bolke and Lost River Ammo are involved you can guarantee its going to be right. Heck aside from the one with the D&L sights Ill probably sell my scandium titanium 342 38s and move into these.
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That's just great! I made a New Years resolution to not buy anything new and shoot the ones I have more. Temptation and it's still January. I wonder about production numbers and how hard they will be to get.
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This is one of the only times I've ever been excited for the release of a J-frame. No lock, better sights, an enclosed backstrap boot grip, chamfered cylinder holes from the factory, and chambered in 32 H&R with a six-shot cylinder? Every single aspect of this is an absolute home run. I don't even especially like J-frames, and I'll be picking up a stainless 32 H&R model as soon as I can get on a waitlist or find one available!

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A Lipseys' rep has posted elsewhere today that they are trying for the same or similar models in the K frame, but that may be next year. I'm very happy about these new UC J frames, but I'm ecstatic over the idea of a similar K frame.
Come on Model 12UC!
I would spend concerning amounts of money on a K-frame with the same feature set of these new J-frames. Hell, give me a steel frame, no lock, and a 7-shot, 327 Magnum cylinder, and I won't be able to get my wallet out fast enough.

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I am that guy. This is the first of many projects. The things that were critical on this will be with everything. No lock, sights that are functional, reliable, and efficient for the mission the gun is intended to fill. I cannot reference the entity we created that is doing the consulting and training stuff on this forum, so my posting will be extremely limited if any, but we do have a very in depth understanding of what is needed to make solid revolvers.
Words could never describe how thankful I am that your input/advice was heeded. It's amazing what a company can accomplish when they actually listen to the want-lists of their informed aficionados and enthusiasts clamoring to give said company their money. Those critical aspects of this project (better sights, 32/327, no lock) will hopefully someday be seen across the S&W wheelgun lineup. I'm thankful that increased competition in the revolver space these days probably pushed S&W to be a little more receptive to change.
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I'm all in on that .32. I don't own anything in that caliber, but plan on remedying that situation!
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I'm all in on that .32. I don't own anything in that caliber, but plan on remedying that situation!
Agreed. LuckyGunner put out a great video a couple of years ago that makes the point that 32 is one of the best calibers for a snub-nosed revolver. I'm looking forward to seeing how comparable recoil is to 38 Special/+P. That extra round in a J-frame cylinder is a game changer. (Well, as much as the extra round when the original J-frame 327 Magnum came out was.)

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I am hoping lock equipped version will be released for these.

Not a fan of deleting safety features. Those with little ones will understand.
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I've become interested in the .32 S&W Long and .32 H&R Mag cartridges recently and was thinking about getting a Taurus 327. I would prefer to get this new S&W offering but I have a question. If I am unable to get one from Lipsey's for whatever reason. Will S&W be offering them as well and if so, does anyone have a thought on when that might occur?
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With regards to the 32H&R factory ammo is not easy to locate and when you do it's very expensive..I have a very well made 631LS that I rarely shoot and reload for it.
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