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I would appreciate your feedback on my recent video.
I finally got up the nerve to open up my snubby and remove the internal lock. I have since done the same operation to my other two snubbies.
Here is my video and how I did the operation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVPYgohVCNM
Thanks for any feedback
Gary C
I want to thank everyone for the encouraging remarks. I’ll use this edit to respond to some of your comments.
The reason I did the video was because throughout the forum I read comments like- “just remove the lock if you don’t like it…”, or “grind the nub off of the lock.” My question was always, “OK – HOW?” So when I finally got up enough courage to give it a try, and it worked, I figured someone could benefit from my experience. Thus, a video was born.
Yup, I goofed. I should have videoed a visual check for an empty gun before starting. I realized this error after the video was completed and by then I just said “Ah Hell”, or words to that effect, and I let it slide.
In the latter part of the video you can see what appears to be cartridges in the cylinder. In one of my editing sessions this clip found it’s way into the video. Yes, they are my home made snap caps. I reload so I have decapped some spent cartridges and reseated a bullet in each case. I did this for 35 empty cases and I use them in my speed loaders to practice my reloading. I like to enter the local “Action Pistol” competition.
I didn’t remove all of the lock mechanism for a couple reasons. First, I didn’t want a gaping hole in the gun for dirt and lint to enter. I had also read on the forum that the “key” portion of the lock did not present a problem for possible jamming of the gun. Second, I did try removing the “key” section of the lock just to see how it worked. I struggled with it for a while and decided that if it was going to present that much trouble in removing it, that it was probably going to stay put while shooting the gun. I never was able to get the “key” portion of the lock out of the revolver. I was afraid that if I did, I’d never get it back into the gun.
I have done the lock modification to three S&W revolvers, the stainless steel 640 in the video, an Airweight 642-2, and an M&P 340. I have not experienced any problems.
The three lock flags now sit in a little baggie. If I ever want to sell one of the snubbies, fat chance, I can reinstall the flags and return the gun to it’s original lockable condition.
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I would appreciate your feedback on my recent video.
I finally got up the nerve to open up my snubby and remove the internal lock. I have since done the same operation to my other two snubbies.
Here is my video and how I did the operation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVPYgohVCNM
Thanks for any feedback
Gary C
I want to thank everyone for the encouraging remarks. I’ll use this edit to respond to some of your comments.
The reason I did the video was because throughout the forum I read comments like- “just remove the lock if you don’t like it…”, or “grind the nub off of the lock.” My question was always, “OK – HOW?” So when I finally got up enough courage to give it a try, and it worked, I figured someone could benefit from my experience. Thus, a video was born.
Yup, I goofed. I should have videoed a visual check for an empty gun before starting. I realized this error after the video was completed and by then I just said “Ah Hell”, or words to that effect, and I let it slide.
In the latter part of the video you can see what appears to be cartridges in the cylinder. In one of my editing sessions this clip found it’s way into the video. Yes, they are my home made snap caps. I reload so I have decapped some spent cartridges and reseated a bullet in each case. I did this for 35 empty cases and I use them in my speed loaders to practice my reloading. I like to enter the local “Action Pistol” competition.
I didn’t remove all of the lock mechanism for a couple reasons. First, I didn’t want a gaping hole in the gun for dirt and lint to enter. I had also read on the forum that the “key” portion of the lock did not present a problem for possible jamming of the gun. Second, I did try removing the “key” section of the lock just to see how it worked. I struggled with it for a while and decided that if it was going to present that much trouble in removing it, that it was probably going to stay put while shooting the gun. I never was able to get the “key” portion of the lock out of the revolver. I was afraid that if I did, I’d never get it back into the gun.
I have done the lock modification to three S&W revolvers, the stainless steel 640 in the video, an Airweight 642-2, and an M&P 340. I have not experienced any problems.
The three lock flags now sit in a little baggie. If I ever want to sell one of the snubbies, fat chance, I can reinstall the flags and return the gun to it’s original lockable condition.
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Gary; Absolutely excellent, and professonaly done!
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It is a good video.
Good pictures and good detail.
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Good work.
Clear and steady camera, clean background with correct lighting. Easy to follow. Good voice BTW.
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That was an excellent video, thank you for sharing that link.
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I liked it.
Learned a few new things on disassembly/assembly
Thank you sir.
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Great work, can't wait for your next gunsmithing video.
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Gary ... The simplicity of this operation was quite surprising. Extremely well edited and filmed. Thank you for sharing this.
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Wow - very well done!
I have a question regarding the flag removal. Have you had any problems leaving the remaining lock pieces in place without the locking flag present to hold those pieces in place? Are they able to move a little now that the flag has been removed?
Thanks for the great video. It was very well done and looks professional.
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Excellent video!
What a shame that S&W just doesn't make the IL optional like Glock does. Either that or make a IL that never fails. I guess that's not possible.
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nicely done!
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Gary, that is an excellent video, very clear with excellent photography. It's going into my favorites. Thanks Frank
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Excellent video and aid. Professionally done and nice pleasant music also.
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Great video! Very well done, you've inspired me to purchase a few tools that I need to do a little work myself.
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Very Nice. Thank you very mich.
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Easy to follow and enjoyable to watch. I'm very impressed. Thanks Gary
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Gary,
That was extremely informative. I appreciate the clarity with which you present all the processes involved. Nicely done!
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Super video - my only comment is that filing off the lock stud and replacing the flag eliminates the gap between the hammer and frame.
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Super video - my only comment is that filing off the lock stud and replacing the flag eliminates the gap between the hammer and frame.
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I agree....also you should remove the mainspring before you remove the sideplate,(never pull trigger with sideplate off, unless mainspring is removed). and you should not use a hammer to put the sideplate on.(thumb pressure only).
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Super video - my only comment is that filing off the lock stud and replacing the flag eliminates the gap between the hammer and frame.
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I agree....also you should remove the mainspring before you remove the sideplate,(never pull trigger with sideplate off, unless mainspring is removed). and you should not use a hammer to put the sideplate on.(thumb pressure only).
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I think J frames won't allow the coiled mainspring to be extracted unless the sideplate is removed - not enough room to wiggle it out. Not 100% on that, it's been a while since I've done it.
So far as the plate, I have a very soft rubber handled screwdriver and although I put on the plate mostly by hand I give a few seating "taps" to finish.
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Very well done video, in a calm and clear voice that is easy to understand. Thank you.
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Gary,
Very nicely done!
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Great video. How about one on complete cleaning: disassembly, cleaning and lubication, and reassembly. It would sure help me, and I imagine a lot of others.
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VERY well done, Sir! The only thing that would have made it better is dancing girls
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Awesome Video Gary. Well done. Thanks for sharing...Rick
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Excellent video. You made it look so simple that it's something that even I can do.
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Ameture!!! Everybody knows you can remove that paperclip with your teeth!!!
Seriously, great video!! Professionally produced and executed!! I really hope you do one on that "Trigger Job" book you mentioned!! I'd love to see how that is done!! Lookin forward to the next one, whatever it is!! Keep us informed when/if ya do one!!
Note: You could team this video with FlatTops "lock removal" mod, and get rid of the lock "hole" in the side of the gun as well!! Just a thought! Would also sure up any chance of the remaining bits rattling around..
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Perfect! even I could do it after such a clear and terrific presentation. Thank you sir!
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Great job and very professional Gary.
My only positive comments would be:
Right off the bat in your video, open the cylinder and check/clear the firearm for safety.
I agree with another poster about using a hammer for installation of sideplate. You risk the chance of it bouncing and damaging a mating edge. Putting it carefully in place and gently pushing it down with thumb will seat it perfectly.
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Thank you very much for the video and it's very well done.
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I would appreciate your feedback on my recent video.
I finally got up the nerve to open up my snubby and remove the internal lock. I have since done the same operation to my other two snubbies.
Here is my video and how I did the operation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVPYgohVCNM
Thanks for any feedback
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Outstanding video.
Does the absence of the "flag" cause the hammer to "cant" or anything as a result of the "void" in the frame where the "flag" was prior to removal?
Some have recommended filing down the stud and replacing the "flag" back in the frame.
What do you think?
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OUTSTANDING DEMONSTRATION,,, thanks
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What a Great Job!!
The video has inspired me to stop procrastinating and get mine done.
Not so intimidating once I watched the video.
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Great video,Gary. My only criticism is that you didn't check to make sure the gun was unloaded first.
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Thanks for the very informative and professionally done video. It sure makes de-activation of the lock look very simple. My Model 60 & 25 will be undergoing some surgery this coming week.
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This was very well done! I used to wonder why everyone is so paranoid about the IL. Then at the range one day my J-frame lock malfunctioned without warning. I NO LONGER wonder.
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