649 no single action

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Bought a 649 that would not lock back for single action so I sent it to S&W they put in a new hammer, trigger, hand, rebound spring and cylinder lock. My question are the hammer and trigger drop in parts or do they have to be fitted? Just wondering for future reference if this is something I could do. I could do it myself if no fitting required.
 
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They aren't really "drop-in" parts as you're thinking of it, especially when it comers to the older machined parts.

The hammer's sear can require some fitting at any of 3 different spots.

Granted, in the new style revolvers upwards of 90% of the MIM hammer sears do seem to drop-in without requiring fitting (what we were told in the armorer class), but it still requires knowing how to check tolerances and function for proper fit of the parts in any particular pistol. Also, slipping the little "mousetrap" spring under the hammer sear takes just a bit of practice so you don't tweak or bend it.

The bolt comes overly long and requires filing/fitting in any given frame (which may have been replaced when they stated they replaced the "cylinder lock").

Also, there's some engagement between a couple spots of the rebound slide and hammer seat which should allow some minute movement clearance under certain conditions.

If you want to enjoy optimal reliability & functioning in a S&W revolver, it's best to avoid tinkering with it, or attempting "kitchen table gunsmithing". Let someone who knows what they're doing check it out and perform any needed repairs.

Just my thoughts.
 
Hi Fastbolt,
Newby here, I have the same condition as Bigtubby, with my 649.
Only it was my choice some 20 yrs ago. I dont know the general procedure that you smithy's use to remove the single action feature.
It seems to me that the number of parts changed would indicate additional issues or a case of S&W covering all bases. What does it generally take to reestablish the single action function.
Thanks
Garander
 
Removing the SA function takes about 30 seconds with a file.......all you have to do is remove the notch on the hammer that catches the trigger nose.

PD armorers had been doing it for decades, for liability issues. Lots of times they left the hammer spur on for holster retention, and just to save work.
 
My 649 SA was taken out also...LAPD rules specify no SA in revolvers. Not really any need for it.
Bob
 
Some people are tempted to take a too dismissive attitude toward anybody, outside the S&W factory, who works on a S&W revolver. With the factory's own track record in recent years, that is not a very reasonable position to take. Some of us fix that which the factory did not, but should have. I am not a professional gunsmith.

But I've worked on a lot of them over a long period of time. My experience is that, in almost every case, the hammer assembly and trigger, within a series, are indeed drop in parts. Same with the rebound mechanism and, usually, the double action parts.

Fitting the hand, the ejector surfaces which it engages, and the cylinder lock is an entirely different story. It requires careful fitting and an understanding of the mechanism beyond the ability of most (but not all) home craftsmen.

Sideplates made over a span of many decades also fit almost perfectly, most of the time, within a model series. I find this amazing, and think most people would not expect it. It is a tribute to old time S&W quality control.

But I agree with many of Fastbolt's comments. Smithing the inside of a Smith is not something for the amateur to jump into willy nilly. It can be learned, and that can be fun, and working on junked or damaged revolvers is a good way to do it. There are plenty of references available to make that fairly easy, but experience is the best teacher. Just don't try to learn on something like a minty pre-29.

I have to say that there is just about nothing like the fine fit between almost any factory S&W hammer sear engagement surface and the corresponding surface of any S&W trigger made, within a series, over many years. Yes, in almost every case they are indeed "drop in". But this does have to be checked and verified EACH AND EVERY TIME. "Almost" is not the same as "always".
 

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