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Would S&W remove the lock if you send back?
I am thinking about buying a 329 and I know a person can remove the lock himself,but I wondered if S&W would remove it of asked. I am wondering due to potential reckless accusations in a potential court case if you had to defend yourself. I would also have them put a longer firing pin as well. Thanks
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12-30-2014, 12:57 AM
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Smith & Wesson would probably remove the lock if asked to do so just before the car manufactures remove the catalytic converter if asked to do so.
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12-30-2014, 01:00 AM
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Why not just leave it unlocked? My 500 has a lock, but I have yet to use it.
Seatbelts were mandated years ago, you have that choice too. For the record I do use my seatbelt.
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Not likely, they put it there for a reason and invested a lot in R&D for the design.
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They will not. I have asked.
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12-30-2014, 01:47 AM
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I am sure the S&W lawyers would have a fit....
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12-30-2014, 02:48 AM
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Someone told me that if a gun is returned with the lock removed that they will replace if for you... Kyle
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12-30-2014, 10:19 AM
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Just install "The Plug" available from a member here on this site. S&W would NEVER remove it!
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12-30-2014, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bmcgilvray
Smith & Wesson would probably remove the lock if asked to do so just before the car manufactures remove the catalytic converter if asked to do so.
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Ok, I will just take it out. I wished they offered a 329 nighguard without the lock, like they do with the 340 pd. I would think they would with the higher recoil. Thanks for reply
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Why not just leave it unlocked? My 500 has a lock, but I have yet to use it.
Seatbelts were mandated years ago, you have that choice too. For the record I do use my seatbelt.
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I have heard of the lock malfunctioning under recoil when it is being fired. I also have heard of failure to fire due to too short of a firing pin. That is why I asked.
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Not likely, they put it there for a reason and invested a lot in R&D for the design.
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Gotcha, I just wished they had done more R&D when it came to the short firing pin!
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Someone told me that if a gun is returned with the lock removed that they will replace if for you... Kyle
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Thats encouraging....
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Just install "The Plug" available from a member here on this site. S&W would NEVER remove it!
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Thats a big 10/4. I will get one from a member when and if I get one, thanks
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Originally Posted by Model29Lover
I am thinking about buying a 329 and I know a person can remove the lock himself,but I wondered if S&W would remove it of asked. I am wondering due to potential reckless accusations in a potential court case if you had to defend yourself. I would also have them put a longer firing pin as well. Thanks
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You can't defend yourself if the lock is activated so if it is not there, same difference!
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I am thinking about buying a 329 and I know a person can remove the lock himself,but I wondered if S&W would remove it of asked. I am wondering due to potential reckless accusations in a potential court case if you had to defend yourself. I would also have them put a longer firing pin as well. Thanks
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Why would removing a "storage" device be reckless in a court case? The lock isn't a "safety"
If you are in court; the shooting is probably not justifiable.
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Smith & Wesson would probably remove the lock if asked to do so just before the car manufactures remove the catalytic converter if asked to do so.
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THAT'S A GREAT ANSWER, bmcgilvray ! ! !
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I have heard of the lock malfunctioning under recoil when it is being fired. I also have heard of failure to fire due to too short of a firing pin. That is why I asked.
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My 500 has gone BOOM each and every time I pull the trigger. I am willing to bet it has a little more recoil than yours.
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Just install "The Plug" available from a member here on this site. S&W would NEVER remove it!
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Just do this. I had to send my 329PD back to the factory (cracked frame), I didn't bother with even finding the lock parts, just took the plug out and sent it. It came back with another lock installed. Those parts are long gone as well.....
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There seems to be some misunderstanding about people's objection to the internal locks, so I'll explain mine.
First, it is inferior to a standard trigger lock. The chance of a lockwork malfunction with a trigger lock is zero. The chance with the IL is NOT zero. There is no benefit in having one element of a lock inside the lockwork because you still need an external component to make it work.
It can be easily defeated, a trigger lock would be much harder. The IL introduces a new unbalanced element into an otherwise uncluttered classic design. Namely, a little crud filled hole in a very prominent place.
To top it off, they add a little arrow and L stamped into the frame that reminds me of a cheap, wind up alarm clock. To me, it all adds up to a decline in the quality and aesthetics of the gun. But wait...there's more!
We are not given a choice if we want this feature or not. It's like it or lump it from the folks at S&W. That's why the IL bugs me.
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I would have much rather signed a 'Hold Harmless' agreement at time of purchase than to have an IL on my revolver.
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There seems to be some misunderstanding about people's objection to the internal locks, so I'll explain mine.
First, it is inferior to a standard trigger lock. The chance of a lockwork malfunction with a trigger lock is zero. The chance with the IL is NOT zero. There is no benefit in having one element of a lock inside the lockwork because you still need an external component to make it work.
It can be easily defeated, a trigger lock would be much harder. The IL introduces a new unbalanced element into an otherwise uncluttered classic design. Namely, a little crud filled hole in a very prominent place.
To top it off, they add a little arrow and L stamped into the frame that reminds me of a cheap, wind up alarm clock. To me, it all adds up to a decline in the quality and aesthetics of the gun. But wait...there's more!
We are not given a choice if we want this feature or not. It's like it or lump it from the folks at S&W. That's why the IL bugs me.
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Actually we DO have a choice! I simply purchase older models that have no I/L. There are STILL plenty of older guns available in really good shape. Yes, you have to look around but once you find it there is no I/L issue to deal with.
Unless you have to have a model that was not made prior to the I/L I see no reason to NOT get a vintage Revolver. Quite honestly, there has not bee enough advancement in Revolver design to warrant me purchasing a new model. In fact I'll go one step further and say (at least on a personal note) that the new guns have gone down hill as far as material, workmanship and over-all quality. Just my own .02 Cents of course..........
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