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That is one awsome, well thought out site. Everyone should see it. Good info with great pics and explanations.
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Thanks guys. Glad you all enjoyed it.
The site celebrated 10 years online last year. I added the firearms section about 18 months ago. Lots of folks that enjoy Jeeps also seem to really enjoy the heck out of guns! They do kinda go together.
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01-06-2010, 11:31 PM
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Did the S&W guy mention how hard he pushed down on the machine button that operated the drive that torques the barrel button? Damn, any torque specs from S&W would be a plus.
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Oh come on......it doesn't matter how hard you push on that button.
Everyone knows you have to turn that other control to half way between the 2 & 3....THEN you push the button!
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01-08-2010, 04:56 PM
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Just got done making my barrel nut tool out of PVC, I stripped the gun down, slid the tool down over the barrel and it fit perfectly! Tried to turn it, wouldn't budge, tried again with a little more force and nothing. Unlike others it seems as though the guy pressing the button for my gun forgot to take his finger off the button.
I only tried only by hand and did not use a cross bar for leverage.
Did anyone else find theirs to be really tight?
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01-08-2010, 05:59 PM
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i drilled a hole in mine and run a 6" long 1/4" drill bit through it for lev..... it broke but a 6" piece of drill rod worked fine came right apart
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01-08-2010, 07:05 PM
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I called Smith & Wesson Customer Service yesterday to inquire about the 10 round magazines. The fellow I talked with wasn't able to answer any of my questions. I was very disappointed.
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01-08-2010, 07:56 PM
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I called Smith & Wesson Customer Service yesterday to inquire about the 10 round magazines. The fellow I talked with wasn't able to answer any of my questions. I was very disappointed.
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S&W was closed down the week between Christmas and New Years. Didn't open for business till 1-4-10. Possible some of the employees need reprogramming of answers.
Reading on this and other forums, it seems that S&W Customer Service does not always know what is going on with their products.
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01-09-2010, 12:54 AM
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I just looked at the Ebay auction with the barrel wrench and forgive me for my stupid question but how do you turn the nut and wrench when it is only 2" =/- long going over a 16" barrel?
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01-09-2010, 08:26 AM
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I just looked at the Ebay auction with the barrel wrench and forgive me for my stupid question but how do you turn the nut and wrench when it is only 2" =/- long going over a 16" barrel?
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Have to attach a tube to it.
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01-09-2010, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 27 Beck
S&W was closed down the week between Christmas and New Years. Didn't open for business till 1-4-10. Possible some of the employees need reprogramming of answers.
Reading on this and other forums, it seems that S&W Customer Service does not always know what is going on with their products.
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If nothing else, at least they aren't in India or somewhere.... I'll take 'Clueless in America' over 'Unintelligible in Philippines'. At least I don't have to repeat myself and answer a dozen questions before I'm told-- Meesta Pil, caynat holp ooh wid dat.
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01-09-2010, 12:14 PM
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Murphy at work...
I made a barrel nut tool from schedule 40 PVC only to find it's outer diameter is too big. My hand guard inner diameter gets smaller as it gets closer to the nut.
Now I'm wondering why I need to disassemble it...
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01-09-2010, 12:38 PM
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I made a barrel nut tool from schedule 40 PVC only to find it's outer diameter is too big. My hand guard inner diameter gets smaller as it gets closer to the nut.
Now I'm wondering why I need to disassemble it...
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I used Sched 40. I thought the same thing when I first tried it. The tabs I cut into the PVC didn't perfectly line up with the barrel nut groves and it felt like the PVC pipe was too big and binding. My solution was to grind off two tabs (lazy). Fit like a champ then and was plenty strong to remove the barrel nut. Once I got the barrel nut out, it was easier to cut 4 tabs to fit.
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01-09-2010, 06:14 PM
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Senior moment
Well, the real problem was me. I was using 1" PVC, Doh!
So I headed back to Loews and picked up some 3/4" instead. While I was at it I picked up a slip on tee also. At home I took a 3/4" forstner bit and drilled a neat hole in the tee to allow the barrel to go through. The tee allows plenty of options to apply as much torque as is required to loosen the barrel nut.
I cut the whole assembly to allow about 5" of barrel to protrude through the tee, plenty to chuck up in a bench vise.
I'll try to take some photo's Sunday morning and get them posted...
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01-09-2010, 11:40 PM
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A bench vise on your barrel? Ouch. Pictures please.
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01-10-2010, 12:22 AM
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No worries
Never fear, my "bench vice" is aluminum with plastic jaw inserts. Just enough tension to hold the barrel securely while the nut is loosened.
What would you hold onto while loosening the nut?
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01-10-2010, 12:54 AM
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Never fear, my "bench vice" is aluminum with plastic jaw inserts. Just enough tension to hold the barrel securely while the nut is loosened.
What would you hold onto while loosening the nut?
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Soft aluminum jaw inserts for rifle and pistol barrels. I was worried plastic would slip.
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01-10-2010, 10:43 AM
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What is the 'best' = (cheap and won't scratch barrel), jaws/covers/whatever to put on a regular bench vice to hold the 15-22 barrel? I'll probably never use it on anything else.
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01-10-2010, 01:35 PM
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Modified tool photos
Here are some photos showing how I modified the PVC tool. It really was easy to make (once I got the right diameter tubing).
You could add short pieces to the tee to give it even more leverage for torquing.
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01-10-2010, 02:02 PM
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There are some barrel jaws on eBay that look pretty good.
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01-10-2010, 02:27 PM
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There are some barrel jaws on eBay that look pretty good.
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I bet there are. I guess I'll try search parameters on Ebay "barrel jaws that look pretty good".
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01-11-2010, 11:06 AM
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I just built a tool from Sched 40 PVC and while it would slide down over the barrel just fine, it wouldn't slip down far enough so that the "teeth" would find the slots in the nut. I pushed down with slight pressure and turned it clockwise, and it started threading onto the barrel threads.
Has anyone had this same problem?
I then wrapped a large marker pen with 150 grit sandpaper and sanded the id of the PVC tool, just enough so that it would slide down onto the nut slots. It didn't take much sanding so I didn't remove much material.
I then tried to break the nut loose, by hand, but couldn't budge it. I'm no body builder but I'm 6' and 190 lbs and fit. Evidently, mine got torqued very well at the factory.
I grabbed the PVC with a pair of pliers, near the end of gun rail, and with downward pressure to keep the teeth seated, I started turning the pvc. It popped and released...but it was the teeth shearing off the end of the pvc, not the nut coming loose.
I guess my only option (if I want to do it myself) is to make another tool from metal pipe and will just have to be very careful to not scratch anything.
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01-11-2010, 07:09 PM
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Metal pipe tool worked perfectly this afternoon. I put blue painter's tape on the muzzle, and about 4" toward the rail.
The barrel nut was very tight so I'll weld a socket into the end of the pipe so I can put a torque wrench on it when it's re-assembled.
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01-11-2010, 08:19 PM
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Metal pipe tool worked perfectly this afternoon. I put blue painter's tape on the muzzle, and about 4" toward the rail.
The barrel nut was very tight so I'll weld a socket into the end of the pipe so I can put a torque wrench on it when it's re-assembled.
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So what kind of metal pipe did you use?
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01-11-2010, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BMW Racer
I just built a tool from Sched 40 PVC and while it would slide down over the barrel just fine, it wouldn't slip down far enough so that the "teeth" would find the slots in the nut. I pushed down with slight pressure and turned it clockwise, and it started threading onto the barrel threads.
Has anyone had this same problem?
I then wrapped a large marker pen with 150 grit sandpaper and sanded the id of the PVC tool, just enough so that it would slide down onto the nut slots. It didn't take much sanding so I didn't remove much material.
I then tried to break the nut loose, by hand, but couldn't budge it. I'm no body builder but I'm 6' and 190 lbs and fit. Evidently, mine got torqued very well at the factory.
I grabbed the PVC with a pair of pliers, near the end of gun rail, and with downward pressure to keep the teeth seated, I started turning the pvc. It popped and released...but it was the teeth shearing off the end of the pvc, not the nut coming loose.
I guess my only option (if I want to do it myself) is to make another tool from metal pipe and will just have to be very careful to not scratch anything.
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I had the same thing happen to me, but I didn't muscle it to the point of breaking the plastic teeth off.
Where is a good place to hold onto the upper/barrel when trying to loosen a tight nut?
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01-11-2010, 10:20 PM
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So what kind of metal pipe did you use?
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Just simple 3/4" id iron pipe they had lying around the shop. I used the tape suggestion in this thread to mark the end of the pipe, and we cut the pipe using a chop saw.
We just eye-balled the tape position on the end and the result worked great. The teeth lined-up perfectly with the notches in the barrel nut.
I then covered the barrel muzzle with painter's tape and gently slid the pipe over the barrel.
I know this probably isn't the preferred method but I then held the upper receiver/rail on a folded thick blanket on a desk and my pal twisted the pipe with a set of channel locks. It took a bit of torque but it popped loose fairly easily.
It's going to the gunsmith for threading tomorrow morning (for the flash hider) and I'll ask him if there's a better way to put it back together.
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Originally Posted by BMW Racer
I just built a tool from Sched 40 PVC and while it would slide down over the barrel just fine, it wouldn't slip down far enough so that the "teeth" would find the slots in the nut. I pushed down with slight pressure and turned it clockwise, and it started threading onto the barrel threads.
Has anyone had this same problem?
I then wrapped a large marker pen with 150 grit sandpaper and sanded the id of the PVC tool, just enough so that it would slide down onto the nut slots. It didn't take much sanding so I didn't remove much material.
I then tried to break the nut loose, by hand, but couldn't budge it. I'm no body builder but I'm 6' and 190 lbs and fit. Evidently, mine got torqued very well at the factory.
I grabbed the PVC with a pair of pliers, near the end of gun rail, and with downward pressure to keep the teeth seated, I started turning the pvc. It popped and released...but it was the teeth shearing off the end of the pvc, not the nut coming loose.
I guess my only option (if I want to do it myself) is to make another tool from metal pipe and will just have to be very careful to not scratch anything.
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I made a wrench out of PVC also and could not get the nut loose. I have broke all 4 of the tabs on 3 of the wrenches I've made and I didn't think I was turning very hard at all.
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Looks like you got one of those tight Tuesday rifles. All the problems are probably from a Friday or Monday rifle. Ya probably gotta get one of those fancy factory wrench jobbies.
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01-12-2010, 01:45 PM
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Metal pipe tool worked perfectly this afternoon. I put blue painter's tape on the muzzle, and about 4" toward the rail.
The barrel nut was very tight so I'll weld a socket into the end of the pipe so I can put a torque wrench on it when it's re-assembled.
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Would this tool work? It is used on bikes. Your screen name says you like bikes
BlueSkyCycling.com - Park Tools FR-8C BMX Freewheel Removal Tool
Edit. My bad, BMW cars. Doh.
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01-29-2010, 09:27 PM
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Oh come on......it doesn't matter how hard you push on that button.
Everyone knows you have to turn that other control to half way between the 2 & 3....THEN you push the button!
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What if I push the button a bunch of times, REALLY fast?
What is the moon is not in the correct phase with venus?
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01-30-2010, 12:27 AM
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I think Smith used an impact wrench to put my nut on
Where are you guys holding onto the barrel/gun when you try to loosen the nut? I'm a big guy and I can't get this nut to break loose and I'm worried that with too much force on the gun I'm going to break the plastic.
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01-30-2010, 02:45 AM
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The proper way to do it is with the end of the barrel clamped in a vice (preferably in a barrel block).
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01-30-2010, 07:34 AM
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I think Smith used an impact wrench to put my nut on
Where are you guys holding onto the barrel/gun when you try to loosen the nut? I'm a big guy and I can't get this nut to break loose and I'm worried that with too much force on the gun I'm going to break the plastic.
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Step #1 make sure you are twisting in the correct direction.
I bridged the upper and rail with my scope riser to keep them as one unit. The barrel nut came right off without a struggle. And I only used a piece of PVC with two tabs instead of four.If the freaking rifle can be broken with two little PVC tabs then I got special garbage can for it.
Where folks have got themselves into trouble with the 15-22 is trying to clock their flash supressor with a crush washer which can require way too much torque directly to the barrel resulting in the barrel actually twisting out of position.... FUBAR. Gotta use a barrel vice for that. I just hand tighten my DPMS supressor and it clocks perfectly... but then again.... Belt_Fed did my barrel threading and worked on the DPMS before I put it on so I expected nothing less.
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