Hey everyone, Im new to the forum. I went to the gun shop to pick up a sig 522 but held and saw the MP 15-22 and fell in love with it. But...I live in the communist state of New Jersey and the mag that came with it is the full sized 25rd mag but capped so it only accecpts 10rounds. No mention of this anywhere online. But is there anyway around this? can i take it out? a 10round mag sucks with this gun.

Move to another State that will "allow" you to have access to your rights. Otherwise, NO don't do it, or you might have an all expense paid visit to Hotel Greybar.

at least it's an all inclusive hotel with free meals and basketball hoops.

your best bet to illegally acquire 25 rd mags is to find a private seller on ebay or something. a guy who doesn't know it's illegal to ship to your state. not reccommended. sorry your state sucks. at least concealed carry is legal there, if you can get a permit.

Doesn't New Jersey allow 15? If so, maybe you could get a magazine capped at 15 instead of 10.

I feel your pain. I live in Maryland and have to deal with simular legistration! Here in Maryland it is ilegal to buy or sell high capacity magazines in the state, however, it is not ilegal to own or use one. IOW we have to go out of state to buy our mags. Their is one other option you might consider and info is listed here:

44MAG.com-Convert high capacity magazine to rebuild kit

Here is another link explaining the rebuild kits:

http://www.44mag.com/rk.asp

Thanks for all the info guys. It sucks living in new jersey for all their gun laws and mike, its basically impossible to get a permit to carry, only ex-cop and military and even that is hit or miss. n3cal thanks for that link, thats probably the option i will be taking since there really is no other one available.

careful, if it's illegal in your state, and you go to a range or other public shooting facility, and a cop notices you are shooting more than 10 rounds without a reloading, you could loose your second admendment rights. NOT worth it. Make sure YOU know the laws in your state, don't get them from a forum.

Welcome to the forum. I am also from NJ and have a 15-22 that was brought into compliance with NJ laws by my NJ dealer

The colapsable stock must be pinned or made un-movable by some permenent means. Also the magazine must be limited to 15 rounds by a permenent means. You can read copies of the NJ firearms laws on the NJ State Police website.

The State Police site states that simply pinning the magazine does not constitute a permenent alteration to a large capacity magazine, But that is how my magazine was altered from new from the NJ dealer. I plan on altering it further to match the letter of the law.

Where did you find a SIG522? Here in NJ? I plan on the 522 to be my next purchase as soon as a compliant one is available or I can purchase a non-compliant one out of state and convert it myself.

My 15-22 is among the 75% here on the forum poll the are working as intended with no feeding or extraction issues. I put another 100 rounds through it this morning at a local range and it operated 100% as it has in the past.

LTC

I agree 100%. Make sure you know your state laws!

There are both 10 and 15 round magazines available for the Sig 522 from Black Dog Machine.
I don't know about the stock. Since it both folds and adjusts, not sure what NJ allows.

Beck,
The 522 stock will have to be permenently altered to non-colapsable and non-foldable to pass the test in NJ. I'm sure there is a solution.

LTC

Probably get some help on the SIG forum, as the 556 has similiar stock.

What about the flash hider on the 522? NJ allowed?

The State Police like to interpret laws to their liking. For NJ
Go to http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf...tle13-ch54.pdf and look at the actual laws. Specifically 13:54-5.5 Large capacity magazines
A retail or wholesale firearms dealer licensed pursuant to this chapter may maintain large capacity ammunition
magazines at its licensed premises for sale or disposition to another dealer, the Armed Forces of the United States or the
National Guard, or to a law enforcement agency, provided that the seller maintains a record of any sale or disposition
to any of the afore-mentioned entities, including a description by make and model of the large capacity magazine. The
record shall include the name of the purchasing agency, together with written authorization on the official letterhead of
the Superintendent, chief of police or highest ranking officer of the agency or the appropriate ranking military officer,
the name and rank of the law enforcement or military officer authorized to make the purchase, and the date and time of
the sale or disposition. A copy of this record shall be forwarded by the seller to the Superintendent within 48 hours of the sale or disposition.
There is no mention of how the mag needs to be limited.
3. A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a folding stock or a pistol grip;
or a semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 15 rounds. For purposes of this paragraph,
"semi-automatic" means a firearm which fires a single projectile for each pull of the trigger and is self-reloading or
automatically chambers a round, cartridge or bullet. For purposes of this paragraph "pistol grip" means a well defined
handle, similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, and which
permits the shotgun to be held and fired with one hand;
"Large capacity ammunition magazine" means a box, drum, tube or other container which is capable of holding more
than 15 rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly therefrom into a semi-automatic firearm.
This is not legal advise, just a showing of the law in New Jersey. Look at the laws yourself. Do not let the powers that be dictate what they say or mean. That is up to the individual. It's also how we keep our individual liberties. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, Thomas Jefferson. Apathy will bring about eternal slavery, Me.

Maniac,
The site you referance is the same site I was thinking about. There is a sentence somewhere in the statute the say a large capicity (16+ rounds) magazine that has been altered by means of a pin or wooden block, for the purpose of the statute, is still considered a large capacity magazine.

I have checked SIGForum and not found much if anything on a 522 compliant version. SIG's official site doesn't reference one either.

Also, yes, I'm forgetting about the flash hider, as that in combination with a detachable magazine and pistol grip will put the 522 out of compliance. Only 2 of the 3 in any combination are considered legal in NJ. Threaded barrels are also not allowed under this statute.

Oh well, it looks like I'll end up waiting and hoping SIG produces a NJ compliant version.

LTC

Where are you finding this information?
There is no mention of "a large capicity (16+ rounds) magazine that has been altered by means of a pin or wooden block, for the purpose of the statute, is still considered a large capacity magazine" or anything about combinations of features.
The only mention of a pistol grip is about semi-automatic shotguns.
No mention of barrels, other than length and serial numbers.
Thread is not in the document.
Flash is not in the document.
Detachable only references "SKS with detachable magazine type"
The code I am looking at is;
"NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE TITLE 13. LAW AND PUBLIC SAFETY CHAPTER 54. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS"
Unfortunately some police forces do not train their officers in the law. They train them on the departments interpretation of the law. We need to ensure everybody who handles firearms follows the laws. If you don't like the laws, change them. But do not break them. Lawlessness is not the answer.
Carry the Statutes with you, if you feel there will be any question about your legality. You might even have to fight in Court, but it will be a good fight.

Here is the verbage from the site, cut and pasted from:
N.J.A.C. 13.54-1.2

"Large capacity ammunition magazine" means a box, drum, tube or other container, which is
capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly
therefrom into a semi-automatic firearm. A large capacity ammunition magazine that has been
permanently altered so that it is not capable of holding more than 15 rounds of ammunition will
cease to be defined as a "large capacity ammunition magazine." An ammunition magazine, which
has been temporarily blocked or modified from holding more than 15 rounds, as by a piece of wood
or a pin, is still considered to be a "large capacity ammunition magazine."

LTC, you are correct! Found a pretty complete legal definition at
http://www.njsp.org/info/pdf/firearm...itle13ch54.pdf
I'm sorry NJ is so difficult.
I wonder if a molded piece of plastic would be permissible, by law. It's not a pin or piece of wood. It could have a screw put in it to keep it in place.
I'll stop with any legaleze, and just be sympathetic to the citizens of Police States. I thought America was supposed to be the land of the free, not land of the subjects.

Using plastic to get around using a pin or a piece of wood would simply seem to be skirting the intent and would, I'm betting, end up getting one in trouble.

The way it reads (to me anyway), the magazine has to be permanently modified.....much like the way a flash suppressor can be welded into place on a barrel to get it past the minimum legal length. If you just screw on the suppressor, the barrel is still considered a short barrel. If you just open the magazine and put a piece of wood or plastic or such in it, to prevent it from being loaded past XX number of rounds, that piece can be easily removed and full capacity restored.

Just my 2 cents....

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Stu

I believe there are several methods to easily and permenently block the 15-22 and or the 522 large capacity magazines to 15 round capacity or less. The blocking device could be inserted in the interior of the magazine and super glued into place to make it permenent. I think this would satisfy the intent as well as the letter of the law.

The magazine could not be returned to it's former large capacity without major surgery. Do we have any NJ Leo's that can add to this discussion?

On the 522 the flash surpressor with the threaded barrel seem to be the deal breaker.

LTC

Well, 10 and 15 round mags are already available for the 522, so no need to modify the full size ones. Yeah, the threaded barrel and flash suppressor could be a deal breaker in NJ. Would think SIG would come out with a compliant one later in the production cycle.

At least you didn't get a five round clip like I did.

Oh, that reminds me, I have to call S&W.