Hey everyone..
Just discovered this awesome "little" rifle over the wknd and now I can't stop thinking about it. Planning on picking one up soon, but had a few questions.

For those of you in NJ, is there anything we are prohibited from doing to it? The gun laws are a little confusing to me- would the collapsible stock + "pistol" grip categorize the 15-22 as an assault rifle?

We would be required to use only the 10rd magazines correct?

Would we be allowed to install a flash hider (threaded barrel illegal)?

Anything else?

Thanks fellas! Can't wait to join the ranks....

I don't even pretend to be a lawyer so don't take this as legal advice. Besides you'd be wise not to rely completely on internet legal advice.

It's hard to tell what's legal in NJ anymore. I'll assume you've got your FID already. Detachable mags larger than 15rnds are considered hi-cap and are illegal whether you've got a gun that goes with them or not. Like all good lawyers, the wrote it without specifying caliber.

Here's a cut relating to prohibited assault firearms from the link in NJ State Police info site ==>
New Jersey State Police - New Jersey Firearm Laws

A semi-automatic firearm should be considered to be
"substantially identical," that is, identical in all material respects, to a named assault weapon if it
meets the below listed criteria:
i. A semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least
two of the following:
(1) A folding or telescoping stock;
(2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(3) A bayonet mount;
(4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash
suppressor; and
(5) A grenade launcher;


Again, there's no caliber listed.
Apparantly S&W are shipping a model with a suppressor already installed. Whether they're legal in NJ is another story.
Gun dealer might be able to tell you more about them.

My buddy got a real MP-15 and the stock does not actually telescope.

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Hmmmmm NJ Law evolves faster than the fishes in the Abyss.

Also much like a conundrum(an intricate and difficult problem).

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Thanks PDL. That's exactly what I found as well on the NJ website.
I was at my local dealer over the wknd (thats how I discovered the 15-22) and the version they stocked did have the collapsible or "telescoping" stock. That would lead me to believe that it is legal (in NJ)? I remember that he also mentioned the mags were 10rds, so that satisfies the <15rd magazine capacity.

Its just so vague..

I'm actually thinking about holding out for the Magpul version (with the suppressor already installed) so would *that* one then be "illegal"???

ARGH! =P

I think I'll have to stop by my local shop again to grill them on whats what here in our great state.. haha..

From what I have just read, PDL's post is correct. I purchased a 15-22 over a month ago from a NJ FFL dealer in my locale.

S&W has come out with a NJ compliant version. The stock will be drilled and pinned to render it non-adjustable and the 25 round Magazine will be pinned for either 10 or 15 rounds. A 15 round magazine is legal in NJ.

The compliant version will have a plain muzzle without threads and flash suppressor.

I have over 1000 rounds through mine and it is working 100%. Read through all the 15-22 posts here on the forum and you will get a feel for the issues that some owners are having.

LTC

Thanks LTC. Thats good info...
Is there a 15rd mag available for the 15-22? Or just 25 or 10?

I do remember the one my dealer showed me had an adjustable stock.. I'll have to go back to check it out again, but man, that is kinda disappointing! =T

You can purchase magazine "repair kits" from 44mag. It will be a complete but dismantled 15-22 25 round magazine. You can then pin it or have it pinned for 15 rounds, assemble it and it is legal.in NJ.

The colapsable stock you refer to will not be compliant to NJ statutes the way I read them. Your NJ FFL dealer should know what is legal and not sell you an illegal weapon.

LTC

Hey LTC,
Stopped by my dealer again after work today and confirmed that the stock is non-adjustable.. Darn it. Regulated like a mofo up in here! =P

Are fore grips prohibited?

Vertical fore grips are also dis-allow in NJ by statute.

LTC

Son of a B!
What *can* we do? Just flashlight/scope/laser?
Will I get in trouble if I have more than one of those? Ha!

Its just silly...

What ever you do, DO NOT CROSS THE RIVER!! We have enough Jersey people in PA!!

just kidding, that sucks you are on the wrong side of the Delaware

Will you be allowed a sling?

I work at a shop in northwestern NJ. The owner provides the services needed to make noncompliant (NJ) M&P 15-22's legal, which includes pinning the stock and limiting mag capacity. He will not sell a noncompliant rifle (for good reason). He also has a local gunsmith who solves more complex problems. Send me a PM if you need help.

LTC (or anyone who may know)...
If the vertical fore grips are not allowed in NJ, any thoughts on the angled fore grip that Magpul makes?


AFG - Angled Fore Grip - AFG - Angled Fore Grip

I also noticed the new Magpul angled fore grip and wondered the same thing. I am not all that interested in an additional fore grip so I haven't pursued an answer.

Anybody out there care to venture an educated opinion?

LTC

LTC, I've been looking into the NJ statutes a little more and I don't see anything which might indicate a VFG (or similar) would be prohibited. I see the mention of threaded barrels, flash hiders/suppressors, and adjustable stocks, but nothing related to +1 grip?

Also, would a compensator fall into a flash hider/suppressor category?

I feel like a rat trapped in a maze... ahhhhh!

I Need help. Im lookin for the laws everywhere. I don't see anything about foregrips period. and it sounds to me ( going by the list of evil features) like if u have an AR with no pistol grip , no collapsible stock, no bayonet lug or grenade launcher, that a flash hider would be legal or a threaded barrel would be legal. I want to know if anyone can tell me exactly where it is that I can find the law that says threaded barrels and flash hiders are just outright illegal. I cant seem to find that.

After visiting a few gun shops right here in north jersey I noticed that they sell vertical fore grips. hopefully they would not sell something that would be illegal to use.

I remember reading that someone in NJ had an empty shell casing in their car, I think it fell out of a range bag or something like that. Anyway they were arrested because its illegal for you to have an empty shell casing. So for those who live in NJ how do you transport your ammo?

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No hollow points! Right? So good luck finding 22 ammo!

And like someone else jokingly said, stay out of PA

Wow. What a pain. I always thought NJ was one of the Free States on the East Coast.
We have a magazine restrictor that goes into the repair kit that will limit the capacity to 10, 15 or 20 rounds. It will work on the 10 rounders to limit them to 5 if needed.

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where did you read that?

you are confused; the only weapon that is not allowed to have a front grip is a pistol.

here is NJ's law:

A semi-automatic firearm should be considered to be "substantially identical," that is, identical in all material respects, to a named assault weapon if it meets the below listed criteria:

A. semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of the following:
a folding or telescoping stock;
a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
a bayonet mount;
a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
a grenade launcher;

B. a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of the following:
an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and
a semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm; and,

C. a semi-automatic shotgun that has at least 2 of the following:
a folding or telescoping stock;
a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
an ability to accept a detachable magazine.

I just re-read the NJ statute and agree I don't see where a vertical fore grip is illegal on a semi-automatic rifle.

LTC

Here is my take. As a WV resident planning on shooting the NJ NSSF Rimfire match in South Jersey my teammate and I found that with our normal speed shooting 15-22s we could not use them. Not because of the stocks as I installed the Magpul Fixed Carbine stock last month (once you establish how you are going to hold it for speed shooting you can pin it where you want if only you are going to shoot it). But because both our rifles have Allchin 15-22 comps along with the pistol grip they are not legal. He is going to shoot one of his 10/22s instead that does not have a pistol grip. I am going to shoot my Taccom AR-22. Fixed carbon fiber stock and a non-threaded alloy sleeved barrel so I only have 1 out of the list (pistol grip) so it is legal. I have 6 15 rd mags for it from BDM. We are shooting that event on Saturday then driving to PA to shoot the PA State Steel Challenge match at Guthville on Sunday. With the same firearms unless we stash our 15-22s on the PA side of the border before entering NJ. And I though Maryland was a Commie state. Maryland is to New Jersey what Russia is to North Korea. Sorry you have to live under those conditions.

not true. comps are perfectly legal. its flash hiders that are not legal. comps have no bearing on pistol grips, or not.

you can legally buy a ar15 styled rifle, with a pistol grip and comp.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT HAS TO BE PINNED & WELDED.
YOU CANT HAVE ANY RIFLE WITH A THREADED BARREL(the pinning & welding renders the barrel no longer "threaded")

guys, call a local gun shop in NJ. with all the BS laws in NJ, call a store - dont just take the words you hear on the interwebs.

Its the threaded barrel that is the gist of the problem I know, the "flash hider" is just a convenient item for them to list. You don't want to pin an Allchin comp anyway since it is aluminum.