After a whole lot of fun shopping, & research, I have decided to get some new stuff for my 15-22. I’ve decided to buy the Bulldog Assault Hybrid 35” Soft Case, La Rue Index Clips, 2 25 round mags, and a new fore grip. So; I’m selling my MagPul A.F.G.

I am a little on the fence on which fore grip to buy, however. I am not ruling one that has the extendable bipod. Just not sure about the durability of those.

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- Greg

We got the polymer grip pods we use from here > Grip-Pod LE - Black/Polymer They have been very durable. However, they are only 9 inches when deployed (and most grip pods are about the same height when deployed) so if you need something a little taller then you may need to go with an actual bipod that extends more if thats your intended use. The grip pod works at that height better when used on something like a wall or barracade type of top edge surface (or if your benching then on the table or surface top), or a surface that is higher then the shooters body when prone. You can also get the grip pod I mentoned above in a combination of poly/steel at > http://www.primaryarms.com/product.s...categoryId=106

If you just want a fore grip then I recommend the MagPul A.F.G your trying to sell. We have some of these. Some like them and some don't. However, the ones that do use them swear by them as a primary factor in stabalizing their quick reaction time shooting accuracy better then a regular vertical fore grip in quick reaction time shooting. I still have the grip pod on my weapons but i'm thinking about ditching it and going with the MagPul A.F.G grip. I tried one out and like it and it did improve my overall quick reaction time shooting accuracy some and although it felt strange at first because it placed my hand at a different angle than i'm used to I could get very comfortable with it quickly. It removes the piviot point aspect of the vertical grip and eases prolonged downward stress on the gripping hand some and places the hand in a more natural position when its raised to grip the weapon.

I had forgotten about PA's offering. Thanks for linking that! I sure like my Primary Arms Multi-Reticle Red Dot Sight.
Not sure if height is really an issue as long as the magazine clears. That's not a bad price. Most of those w/extended bipod that I have seen are over $120.00.

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Well, the magazine should clear. The 5.56 30 rounder mags clear fine with our weapons.

For us its more of a matter of usability in all situations. For example, in the prone position using the 9" grip pod some people have trouble getting low enough for a prolonged or good or stable sight picture but it depends on the persons body thickness too. Most of us are beefy guys, and no insult intended but some of the women are a little large in the chest area, so we might have a little difficulty in getting down low enough, quickly enough, immediately, without a lot of adjustment, in the prone and getting a quick sight picture using just the 9 inch height, where on wall edges or something just a few inches higher its perfect. Using a 10 to 12 inch bipod tho has no issues in the prone, guess we are just at that certain body thickness where the difference is that inch or so for that particular situation. On the other hand we have some people who are so skinny they could probably squeeze through a key hole if they tried a little and they have no issues with them what so ever in the prone.

Oh, I would not go with the Larue Index Clips. Go with rail ladders and cut to needed coverage size if necessary, and in between your attachments for indexing purposes. The index clips are irritating as hell just because you have to do each individual one for a long area, there will always be that one that comes off someway and vanishes when you aren't looking, and they are more expensive then rail ladders which will do the same thing.

After all the fooling around with different stuff I ended up using none of it other than 4 LaRue index clips. L&R one at the front and rear so as to not booger up the handguard when laying the rifle on a bench. The polymer rail isn't tough on the hand when holding so I really have found no use for covers.

I like 'inexpensive'. And, no matter how I weigh it, the Index Clips are about $40. I have been back and forth oh that one! Lol!
I have a couple of tiny nicks on the left side of the rail (out of the box - new). That is when I started looking at alternatives for right and left rail protection. And, when I happened onto the Index Clips, I thought that was a great idea! And, then I saw the padded rail covers.. But, since I am getting a vertical fore grip, I won't actually be shooting holding the rails.
I don't need a padded cover. When looking at ladder covers, I'm not sure I saw any that would fully cover one side without having to cut part of another to cover completely. And, I want it to look good. I'm just not sure how they look when cut, and applied. And, that's what brought me back to the Index Clips.

What rail covers (ladder style) do you prefer?

And, as the Magpul AFG goes, it was okay. But; after looking at the video, and seeing how they actually shoot with it, I realized right away it may not be for my casual shooting. I was just holding it on the underside, which was okay. But, after watching some vids of shooting the AR platform with a vertical fore grip, I decided that looked really comfortable, and want to give that a try.


Thanks!

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We use the surefire ladder rail covers. Its the same thing that Magpul has basically and work just as well, wev'e never had a problem with them. You can get them from Primary Arms - a pack of three for $16.00 > Surefire Z70 M4 Ladder Rail Covers, Set Of 3 (although we get them in packs of five for $10.00 under contract from someplace else, the surefire at primary arms is the same surefire product we get though in those 5 packs)

If you buy the magpul product its about $11.00 each individual ladder rail (from primary arms - Magpul I think too), so the surefire 3-pack product is the better buy and free shipping from Primary Arms.

If you cut carefully, if you need to do so, with a sharp blade you can match pieces end to end and they will look seemless.

So, take the $40.00 you would have spent on the LaRue clips, spend $16.00 on the surefire ladder rail covers, and the remaining $24.00 on some ammo

Ladder Rail covers come in handy for a lot of things too, especially handy for attaching pressure switches for lights and lasers in between rails on quad rail handguards. You use a piece of thinner cordura nylon fabric a little wider then the switch is long, put the switch between, and parallel to, the rails where you want it, fasten one end of the fabric under one ladder rail cover below the switch by snapping it in place with the fabric end underneath, extend the fabric across the switch so the width covers the switch "snugly" but not so tight as to actually trigger the switch, and fasten the other end under the ladder rail cover of the rail on the other side of the switch by snapping it in place with the fabric end underneath. Instant no fuss pressure switch attachment with no adhesives and nothing stuck to the weapon, and it stays in place. Individual clips don't do this too well as they have a tendancy to flip off with a little roughness in such use, granted, the index clips weren't intended to be used that way anyway (because they are thinner and have less surface space holding them on and are individual points of pressure), but the longer piece of ladder rail doesn't and keeps things in place. Its a pretty bad "oh ****" feeling with your finger going for that light switch when you need it and the switch is now dangling from the weapon instead of being where your finger can hit it

As usual clear & informative, thanks for the posts & the links, just ordered the covers,!

Absolutely! Great forum!

Yesterday, I ordered the Bulldog Hybrid Assault Soft Case (35" in Black) from Optics Planet, and (2) 25rd. magazines from 44MAG. So; those are incoming.

Now... I think I have decided to go with a folding fore stock (w/battery compartment), and a separate Bipod. And, from what I have been reading here, I don't think I need to spend $60+ on a Harris Bipod. Looks like there is satisfaction from the UTG, and Shooter's Rest brands.

If I can find an eBay seller selling both, that would be great!

As, the rail guards go, I think I might just go with the ladder style to begin with.

Again; thanks for everyone's input!

Oh! I think I might try one of those 'brass catchers' from UTG, as well. Just for shooting out back, etc,,,.

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My new Bulldog Assault Hybrid 35" case arrived yesterday at my office. I got home and found (2) 25 Rd. Mags in my mailbox. Monday was a pretty good day!
That case is nice, too. It's a little more than the regular soft case. But, it has the stiffer sides (Hybrid). So; with 4 magazine compartments on the outside of the case, I decided to go ahead and order another mag. today! At $15.99, why not, right??!! Lol!

Next; fore-grip, and rail protection. And, the bipod later on. Or, sooner!

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I ordered the Hogue Grip yesterday along with a Tapco Intrafuse Vertical Grip.
And, I see that Tapco offers a Bipod extension that fits right into the bottom of the grip for around $20. So; that might be worth checking out rather than a separate Bipod. Although, it isn't really telescopic like the others I have been looking at.

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Not bad! I have $22 invested in the Tapco. If I decide to try the model you have, I can always sell the Tapco for a bit less later on. After earlier looking at the VFG models that feature the drop down bipod, I decided to just get a dedicated fore-grip, and add a metal bipod later on. It wasn't until after ordering the Tapco that I saw that an option bipod was avaiable to work with it.
We'll see how I like the Tapco, and go from there. And, for another $20, I might get the bipod option.

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- Greg