anyone have a solution? is it safe to do a trigger job on this gun since it's not like it's big brother? Has anyone done anything to there's?

Or is there an aftermarket trigger assembly you can purchase? I google'd a bit and didn't find any for sale....but I didn't try super hard.

Thanks in advance?

I believ'e the trigger's on the 15-22's ar'e the 'same a's on a 'standard AR-15, and can be 'swapped and replace'd. Check 'some of the othe'r thread's for comment's from othe'r user's about trigger job's and 'such.

JP Enterprises Trigger Spring Kit AR-15 3-1/2 lb Reduced Power - MidwayUSA

I installed this in about 5-10 minutes. Does wonders! I was skeptical of the "15 minute trigger job" as some reviews said it did not go well.

The yellow spring kit works great for me, and at $10, you really cant go wrong here.

Thanks!
ccm414

[QUOTE=CrazyFingers;135959603]I believ'e the trigger's on the 15-22's ar'e the 'same a's on a 'standard AR-15, and can be 'swapped and replace'd. Check 'some of the othe'r thread's for comment's from othe'r user's about trigger job's and 'such.

Really, even if you don't use the search mode, you only need to go to page 2 of these threads and look at the thread titled "Trigger Pull". There you will find links to YouTube and other threads at top of this page to get the trigger exactly the way you want.

i polished my trigger along the "15 min trigger job" guidelines.. i do not suggest bending the springs.. if you want a lighter pull go with the JP3.5 springs...

CCM did you notice a big difference in smoothness of the trigger pull. That's what I am looking for, I assume it breaks alot crisper now.

*edit*for 10 bucks I ordered it ....bad part is there back ordered

Yes these fire carrier groups(FCG) are the exact same as a standard AR. They are a direct swap.

I have Bill Springfield do all my triggers and the are a clean crisp 4lb, you can have him 3 or 5 lb also.

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i also did this How to fix the trigger creep in you 15-22 video
..this made all the difference.. pull is short and breaks like glass.. not sure how much you wanna mod the trigger but here is some thing else you can do if you like to tinker

I seen that video and was going to do it along with the new springs...thx for the heads up

davet, yes you will. I am very glad i ordered them. The pull is definitely lighter, but the biggest difference is how much 'cleaner' the pull feels. The yellow springs are exactly the same they just look like there is 1 less coil in them to create the softer pull.
Good purchase! I ordered mine about a week or 2 ago and got them promptly. Midway is VERY good about getting orders out for shipping as soon as they are available though. Good luck!

Thanks!
ccm414

Timney Trigger AR-15 Small Pin .154" 3 lb Single Stage Skeleton - MidwayUSA

will this fit and relpace the trigger? i want this one =)

Save money and get the non-skeletonized one--it looks cool, but buy more ammo instead with the savings. I have both (Skeleton on my custom-built AR-15 and the standard on my 15-22).

Both are nice, but on the 15-22 you will need the $10 JP anti-walk pins to hold it in because you should avoid cranking down the Timney set screws inside the receiver so they do not thread into the plastic receiver and make it useless--thread until snug and use the JP anti-walk pins to anchor the pins.

I have a technique for installing these too. The end screws of the pins have blue loc-tite on them, so heat them with a lighter and thread the screws almost all the way into the pins holding each pin with pliers before inserting it into the receiver. Then insert the pins into the trigger/receiver wall and do the same for the other pin. Then heat the loc-tite on the screws (one at a time) for the other side and thread them into the pins so they are snug but do not over tighten. The screws are allen head and very small, so they can strip easily and the loc-tite applied by JP is enough to help you do that.

for half the cost of the gun?...you can have it

For about $120 you can go the route I did. I bought the Rock River Trigger from Brownell's and it made all the difference in the world.

ROCK RIVER ARMS : AR-15 NATIONAL MATCH 2-STAGE TRIGGER - World's Largest Supplier of Firearm Accessories, Gun Parts and Gunsmithing Tools - BROWNELLS

I must be the only one who loves the trigger as is haha. This was my first firearm ever, though, so not much to compare with. I've shot nice Skeet shotguns with light triggers (so light I accidently shot at the high house!) but I still love the standard M&P one.

Once you have a proper clean, crisp trigger job done on your rifle you will change your mind about it.

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If I'm not mistaken, Dave has the PC version as do I. It has an entirely different FCG from the non-PC versions. I didn't like the excessive (7lbs+ for a "match" trigger, really???)pull although the trigger was smoother than the OEMs on my other 2 15-22s(which I modded the triggers with much improvement). I didn't see a specific spring set for the 2 stage, so my LGD had a RRA 2-stage "national match" FCG for $110 and I bought it. Guess what?? The OEM FCG in the PC looks identical to the RRA. I put it in anyway and it is lighter(4.75lbs) with no mods what so ever. It did state on the instructions to NOT put a take-up screw on it so I didn't.
I e-mailed S&W about it with no reply.
Dave, if I mis-understood about what you have, never mind.... Okay I did. Dave, follow the instructions with the spring kit, and use some moly grease on the sear area, per J-P's instructions. You can end up with a pretty good trigger. I too use the allen screw take-up tip and the guns have worked flawlessly.
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Ya I am getting along fine with my stock trigger also. It works for me shooting gophers anyway. If I want a tack driver .22LR I would just use my Rem. 541S bolt action rifle with a hair trigger.

I took the trigger control group out and cleaned it good No polishing, though. I'm not gunna pay any money on the trigger, very satisfied.

I did the trigger creep fix from the video....hell that helped alot, now when the new springs come in and the pull is around 4 lbs it should be perfect very happy

Exactly ! Start with the JP spring kit and go from there
$10 plus shipping isn't a bad deal

so many people have had really bad triggers? mine is a SHORT pull and VERY crisp. no pull that doesn't engage the trigger and breaks great.

I spent about 8 hours between making the 15 minute trigger mod, polishing the hammer and other trigger parts, and the mod to remove the travel on the trigger pull.

In addition, I also polished the edges on the bolt guides and gave the recoil shaft (the medal piece that's attached to the bolt with the spring around it) a polish job

The bolt and trigger pull, and firing are much smoother.

Thanks to everyone who provided the links and advice.

I also did the "Trigger Creep Video" technique and it helped a ton! love it. Bought the set screws for my buddy's gun, and upon installation found out his hex-head grip screw was longer than my flat-head screw, no worky.

My delivery of the JP springs should be here any minute now. I polished the controls with Flitz and now going to be installing the springs with the Hogue grips.

Did you put the Flitz on and work the action or did you Flitz polish with a Dremel? I'm curious to hear from anyone who polished with a Dremel.

I used 600, 1500 grit and crocus paper with breakfree oil.

The only time I used my dremel was do some fine touches to remove the ridges and cresses left over from the molding process

I used a Dremel. Applied Flitz and used the felt tip wheel. No sanding. Just applied Flitz and Dremel away. Came out shiny and smooth.

On which surfaces and edges?

I did the whole hammer face and the rest of it. On the trigger I did the front part of the block where it is already polished a little. Basically where I saw material already gone. I just polish them up for smoother feel. I did the disconnector as well. All mating surfaces.

Put the trigger together while it is out and you will see where all the parts contact each other. Those are the places I did most of the polishing.

Perfect. Thanks!!!

finally did a little shooting after installing the yellow spring kit....all I can say is WOW! tons better, now it's time to do a little polishing and I think I will be happy with the trigger.

I must be missing something here. In the Trigger Creep video, the only time creep was noted was with the weapon on SAFE. My trigger has no creep in the FIRE position. Why should I care about creep in the SAFE position, when I can't fire the gun that way? What am I missing?

My new 15-22 also exhibits zero trigger creep, as new, right from the factory. The trigger is also light enough for me just as it stands. Perhaps S&W is getting better with their triggers OR, maybe I was just lucky with this particular specimen. When it is time to clean the trigger, I will probably pop it out and polish it up.

I think he was just showing how the mod made the trigger move backwards without inadvertently dry firing the rifle.

The mod reduced the amount of trigger creep by about 50% in my rifle, but like some of you, I didn't have a lot in the first place. I just did it out of curiosity to what type of results I could get.

I shot my rifle yesterday and today, putting about 200 rounds down range and didn't have any FTF or FTE.

Don't think so. He showed the creep before he did the mod, at the very beginning of the video, and the weapon was on SAFE. Mine has lots of creep on SAFE, but absolutely zero on FIRE.

Well, the reason is, "It's a Combat Rifle Trigger". Again, it's the same trigger on a full size AR15. Now it's on a 22lr plinker, customers complian how horrible it is. Go and spend $200 or more on a 3.5 lb trigger or drill, cut springs, and open another BLOG on "My M&P miss fires".. Get a glass trigger on your M&P and after you have an accidentle discharge on your foot, open a BLOB on "How un-safe the M&P is".. Same people who want a CADILLAC STS but want it to go OFF ROAD and handle like a CORVETTE... ALL IN THE SAME CAR, I want, I want... life is a compromise folks...S&W can make the trigger smoother, but it will add to the overall cost of this rifle.. Oh then another BLOG,"Why is S&W so EXPENSIVE"... OK, I'm off my soap box.. I'd like to see someone build the BEST AR 22lr with all the GOODS and sell it for under $400! enough said..

I agree with Aceman, I also was one who installed the JP yellow spring set to get a better trigger pull (it did bring it down to 3.6 lbs.) but then I was experienceing miss fires. I changed back to the orginal springs plus the polishing I did should help. I would rather have a rifle that goes "bang" every time rather than a very light trigger pull and wonder if it's going to fire! Just my 2 cents.

I really like the trigger on the 15-22. Don't own an AR-15 yet, just had a lower parts kit and am hoping it's similar in pull to the M&P

I went to the range today (Tues. 11-22) and after reinstalling the orginal trigger springs I was pleasantly suprised, out of 120 rds. I had one jam (stove pipe) & no missfires! I was shooting Winchester Super X HVHP's & CCI Blazers with out any problems at all! So from here on out, I'm sticking with the stock factory springs, I want a rifle that goes "bang" every time I pull the trigger!

Sorry guys, didn't mean to rant.. Just was standing up to a pretty dam good 22LR rifle that S&W, I think, did a wonderful job in designing a pretty good rifle with pretty un-reliable ammo. I expect lots of M&P owners to bash as the rifle hits the market with LOTS of new folks who never owned a 22LR before, or better yet, never owned a rifle/gun. It's OK for them to not know this, thus these forum will help them I hope in understanding the rifle as designed. Let's not loose our rights to bear arms, so keepem coming... I have taken my medicine now.. life is good.... I see pink elephants dancing.. opps.