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Old 02-24-2012, 12:59 PM
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Lastly, when only one company makes a product without any competitors they can charge what they want. It's just the way it is.
As I said, it's whatever the traffic will bear - which has little relationship to cost of manufacturing plus a decent profit margin.

Of course, I feel this way about much of what is available for the AR15 platform, especially moulded items.
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:32 PM
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B.A.D. levers are at minimum $16.00 each so that's $32.00 for just the levers, so at $54.00 the center section cost $22.00 I fail to see how that's out of line.

People that whine and complain about price have obviously never run a business and had to pay employee's....

For something that is QUALITY and MADE IN THE USA.... I think the price is right.. If you can't spare $54 then how can you afford a $400 "playtoy" ?

I guess I just can't relate, because I can spend $60.00 to fill up the tank of my 50K playtoy to run more than a quarter of that tank out, in a weekend...
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B.A.D. levers are at minimum $16.00 each so that's $32.00 for just the levers, so at $54.00 the center section cost $22.00 I fail to see how that's out of line.
The levers are overpriced, IMHO, too.

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People that whine and complain about price have obviously never run a business and had to pay employee's....
Invalid assumption, my friend, and rather snide, to boot.

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For something that is QUALITY and MADE IN THE USA.... I think the price is right.. If you can't spare $54 then how can you afford a $400 "playtoy" ?
Spare $54??? If it were for something that I needed for the firearm to function, you might have a point. As a replacement for something that already works ... not so much.

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I guess I just can't relate, because I can spend $60.00 to fill up the tank of my 50K playtoy to run more than a quarter of that tank out, in a weekend...
To use your phrase obviously you have a lot more disposable income than I do and/or have different priorities.

FWIW, I simply stated my opinion. If you consider that to be "whining", well that your opinion and it's no more valid than mine.

Have a nice weekend.
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:55 PM
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You are right my opinion is no more valid than yours.... And you do not have to replace the safety selector on your 15-22, in fact I'm sure you had no plans on it.. But you took the time to share with us how you think the levers are priced higher than they should be..

And as someone who has experience in Machining, Programming, Metallurgy, I disagree with you.

Simply put, I can waste $50.00 without thinking much about it!

You have a great weekend as well! Hope the weather doesn't get bad in CT... It's super windy here at the moment!
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Being a lefty as I am and as I have them on all my AR's I am always trying to flip the safety with my thumb on my 15-22 and it is not there. Yes some will want them and pay the price for it and some will pass on them.
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You are right my opinion is no more valid than yours.... And you do not have to replace the safety selector on your 15-22, in fact I'm sure you had no plans on it.. But you took the time to share with us how you think the levers are priced higher than they should be..

And as someone who has experience in Machining, Programming, Metallurgy, I disagree with you.

Simply put, I can waste $50.00 without thinking much about it!

You have a great weekend as well! Hope the weather doesn't get bad in CT... It's super windy here at the moment!
I guess I am more frugal - or simply cheap.

It was in the high 50s Wednesday and Thursday and this morning we had 4 inches of snow. Lousy way to start the weekend.
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Old 02-25-2012, 04:49 AM
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Still interested please pm me when they are ready. Thanks!
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:42 PM
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Being a lefty as I am and as I have them on all my AR's I am always trying to flip the safety with my thumb on my 15-22 and it is not there. Yes some will want them and pay the price for it and some will pass on them.
You could just swap the stock plastic safety for left handed use.


I for one am still interested as I am an ambi shooter and I'm concerned about plastic safety wearing out.
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You could just swap the stock plastic safety for left handed use.


I for one am still interested as I am an ambi shooter and I'm concerned about plastic safety wearing out.

I am picky cause i use my index finger to flip it back to safety.
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Old 02-29-2012, 10:58 PM
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A prototype has been made. It just needs some tweaks and more testing. Once that is done the production run is scheduled.

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I want what I want and that's what I want!

Please pm me or if you can post a link when the product comes out!

Thanks in advance

Pricing to much?? not really just think of all the accessories that we put on our 15-22's for looks....
Let alone functional parts like stock replacement, sights, triggers, vertical grips… you have to remember it’s like tupperware for guys(and gals) because we want to add them!

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Old 03-20-2012, 08:52 AM
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Bump up......

So any word on release date?
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Old 03-20-2012, 10:34 AM
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I'd buy one.
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:54 AM
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The second prototype has not been made yet. They had a few production runs of their other selectors. Some time next week the new prototype will be made then the production run for the 15-22 selectors will be done.

I will be selling these through my website, via paypal, that will be up and running today or tomorrow.

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I was just informed it will be two weeks until the final prototype will be made.

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Old 03-23-2012, 01:20 AM
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I'll be interested when these are done. I have BADass safety levers on all my AR's and they are very high quality pieces of kit. (and priced the same for standard AR's) Sometimes you can't describe a tactile quality that a superior product has over a cheaper product. The BADass safeties just feel better to me. Smoother in function and almost sucks itself into place when you throw the lever, if that makes sense. The ability to customize the levers is a major advantage as well. I like the standard lever on the left side and the long/thin lever on the right side.
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Just read the entire thread; I've been remiss in getting back on the S&W forum due to two new firearms I've acquired (well, one is just changing my Thompson pistol into a rifle, the other, a brand new Colt M4).

I had no idea nobody had made an ambi selector for the M&P15-22 so I'll be keeping this thread in mind.

I've gotten used to a ambi-safety for my Beretta 92FS and my SA 1911 so when I got into rifles, I thought it'd be the same but guess again! So I'm in for this little USA made product. Thanks Jon for taking up the cause - and yes, I'm a lefty but have been using my trigger finger to select fire/safe modes.... now how about a left hand charge handle????
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Old 04-03-2012, 07:41 PM
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Quick update. Battle Arms is still backed up filling several large orders for AR15 selectors. It will be another 2 weeks before the final prototype is made.

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Old 04-11-2012, 11:29 PM
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Hi guys, this is Roger from Battle Arms Development

We've been working with Jon on the 15-22 selector center, there is some news that Jon may not have covered.

The non-dovetailed, original Battle Arms Dev. Ambidextrous Selector now has six levers and an end cap, in two months or so, there will be eight levers (short crank is the 8th, and a mystery 7th lever we haven't shown to public).

The decision to pattern the 15-22 selector after the original Battle Arms Dev. selector is based on several factors:

1. Price, it's less expensive than the BAD-CASS (dovetailed)
2. Compatibility with existing, multiple lever options. The BAD-CASS was developed for the military, which didn't ask for, nor want that many lever options.

The 15-22 selector center will cost us slightly more to produce, but retail and wholesale price will be close to the .223/.308 version, not more expensive to the users.

The BAD-CASS-SA (semi auto), BAD-CASS-ST (short throw), BAD-CASS-3P, M16 (select fire) are the most expensive, and most well made selectors any money can buy. The reason I bring this up, even though none would work on a 15-22, is because quality cost money. To have anything made in the US is going to cost more, we never looked overseas to make anything, even the packaging and the Grade 8 screws are made in the US.

Our products may not be for everyone, but for those that want the best, made by folks with no holds barred when it comes to quality, material, engineering and refinement, they will not be disappointed.

Many of you are familiar with our highly regarded customer service, no BS return/exchange, and free lever exchange program. These are not the reasons our selectors cost more. These are perks our customers get. Our products are at the top of the food chain, and as premium products, we make sure they come with premium service.

Since Feb. of 2012, all selectors come with two extra Grade 8 Torx screws, a KNS stainless steel detent, a T10 key, and a detent spring.

Prior to Feb, 2012, all units already came with a KNS detent and a T10 key.

The reason we include these parts that no other manufacturer has before or since, is we try to have all basis covered when it comes to the operation of probably the most important control on a firearm: its safety. By providing the high quality components ourselves, we ensure there are as few parts as possible that could affect its operation.

If I were to tell you our margin on the selectors, I don't think you'd believe me. None of our products are cheap, simply because none of them are cheap to produce.

As a company, our goals are to create the kind of products we ourselves would be proud to use. If you could make something for yourself and money is no object, I think you'd create something wonderful, for it would have the best material and workmanship. This is the official stance on anything we do.

More to follow, thank you guys for your support

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Old 04-12-2012, 03:09 AM
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Glad to see you here Roger. I haven't shot my 1522 since last year but I can't wait for these selectors. Will an option to buy just the center be available?

For those of you who think these are expensive.. well, yeah when compared to a standard selector they are. But how much more does a MIAD grip cost compared to standard A2 grip? 5 times as much? A2 grips are functionally the same as a MIAD, but the MIAD was engineered with options, options that let you setup the grip exactly the way you like it.

The Battle Arms selectors offer the same type of advantages over the milspec part and IMO are functionally superior and much higher quality. The 45' selectors they sell for the AR platform increase the advantage over milspec even more.

And on top of that, I would rank my dealings with Battle Arms and Roger in particular in the top 3 of any company I have dealt with in any industry in my entire life.
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Old 04-12-2012, 06:12 AM
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Hi Roger the big question for me is when will they be available?

In your post you mentioned something about 2 more months?
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Thank you Tony

grg3d, as we've been catching up on backlogged selectors (which included all of them, 90 degree dovetailed and non-dovetailed, 45 degree dovetailed and non-dovetailed, M16 selectors, even levers), it shouldn't be much longer.

As Jon said, we had a rapid prototype made, but we are tweaking it a little. One would think it's just a matter of elongating the existing .223/.308 version, and the prototype was just that, but we found a few things that could be improved on.

2 months is on the long side, we know you guys have been waiting. We take a long time to develop a new product, because we don't want to rush to market something that we have to tweak later, by that time, customers will already have the original version and be left holding the bag
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:50 AM
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I'm interested - will keep checking back.....
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:00 PM
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Here it is, the prototype, it looks like it's on a standard .223 AR
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Old 04-15-2012, 11:44 AM
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An update for those of you who are interested in this part, but reside outside of the USA. Due to International Traffic in Arms Regulations I will not be able to sell these outside of the USA. We may be able to sell these internationally down the road, but it will take time.
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Old 04-15-2012, 01:14 PM
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very nice. I will be patiently waiting
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Pre-orders being taken? Ready to get in line...
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waiting here as well
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I don't plan on doing pre-orders. I don't like the idea of holding onto someone's money without being able to send them something in return right away.

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ITAR for a ambi safety? U must be kidding,I hope
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:13 PM
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well... I like it....,
but.....
will not be purchasing for 2 reasons....
1 > I live in the uk, and as stated, they wont be traveling this far..
2 > Way Too Expensive ( imo) for an add on
also, when we could get these sent over, we would have to pay Excise duty on top, which would mean, that it would cost less if I had one made here in Gold !!!
option.... I will find a gunsmith this side of the pond to make one, if I still want it that bad, and I am sure it wont cost me as much..
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Old 04-21-2012, 08:14 PM
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Here is another alternative for those of you outside of the States and those who are not interested in this due to the price.

CPTBeaker did an excellent write up for modifying the stock safety with JP ambi safety levers. This is worth keeping in mind if you feel comfortable doing the work yourself or perhaps a local gun smith might be willing to do this for you.
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:17 PM
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Bump up! Info on release?
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:40 PM
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Put me down for one of each!
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:03 AM
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Nothing yet. Battle Arms is working on fulfilling a few big orders.
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:15 AM
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Great news everyone. Battle Arms Development will have the new prototype in a couple of days. Once they approve the final design, it will go into production!
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:33 PM
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Great news everyone. Battle Arms Development will have the new prototype in a couple of days. Once they approve the final design, it will go into production!
Woot Woot!!
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:00 AM
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The prototype has been approved as the model for production units A prototype center is being sent to That Guy, if MP 15-22 receivers are uniform as we think they are (unlike all the various thicknesses of AR receivers by different manufacturers), this should be the reference model the production is based on.

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Old 05-15-2012, 09:04 AM
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Awesome. Cant wait to place an order!
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:02 PM
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I'm anxiously awaiting this one as well. As a family with lefty and righty shooters this is almost a necessary upgrade. Once available will they be for order on the BAD website or through the forum here? Also will we be able to choose from the existing BAD lever options or will they come with a particular selection? Thanks!
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Old 05-16-2012, 06:26 PM
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Slacker, you can order them from Jon (That Guy) direct. Re: options, we're thinking of the following, it's structured in a manner to take price into consideration:
1. Single lever with end cap
2. Two levers
3. Three levers

With the free lever exchange program, there's no need to purchase the 3 lever kit

The 2 lever kit will become standard for the .223/.308 model this year as well.
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Old 05-19-2012, 11:41 AM
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I received the final prototype of the safety center today. I am very happy with the overall quality of it. It has an excellent fit in the lower. The levers are almost flush with lower receiver.

Once I have kits in hand, they will be available through my website Simple Weapon Solutions

Here are a few pictures of the ambi safety center. The safety center has not been coated so it looks a little rough, but that is only cosmetic.
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Old 05-20-2012, 10:31 PM
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Just to clarify, the prototype centers are completely in the white, they've not been heat treated, deburred and plated. The spots you see are typical of in-the-white steel components.

Production units will be manganese phosphate coated.

Battle Arms free lever exchange program is applicable with this product, and with any selector we make. For lever exchange, please email me directly roger@battlearmsdevelopment
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:42 AM
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Very cool. I Think I will need a set.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:49 PM
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The production run is almost complete and I will have the kits in hand within 2 weeks. In the mean time, those of you who want to, may pre-order a kit with any of Battle Arms Development’s levers.

I am now taking pre-orders for the M&P 15-22 Ambidextrous Safety Selector kits

During the pre-order you may choose any lever combination you want!

STANDARD - SHORT - THIN - SHORT+THIN - HYBRID - CRANK - *NEW* SHORT CRANK

The 2 Lever Kit you may select any 2 levers $54.00 + Shipping

The 1 Lever Kit you may select 1 lever and an End Cap is included $51.00 + Shipping

The 2 and 1 lever kits will include

1 M&P 15-22 Safety Center

4 Screws (in case you lose one)

1 Stainless steel detent pin

1 Detent spring

1 T10 torx tool

After the pre-order the kit will come with the most popular lever combination Battle Arms Development offers, standard and short. Keep in mind, Battle Arms Development offers a free lever exchange program.

If you would like to change your order, or have any questions please email me at [email protected]

Due to International Traffic in Arms Regulations, these are only available for sale within the USA

Thanks
Jonathan

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Old 05-23-2012, 03:47 PM
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BTW guys, we designed our selector centers with a deeper groove for two reasons:

1. Better interface with the detent, and improved "ramp" in and out of the detent holes. The depth of the groove was extensively tested to give the smoothest rotation while retaining spring tension.
2. Prevent unintentional removal (as described below)

Though with both levers installed, there's no way to rotate the selector to 45 degrees and remove it, we still deem it a problem that it could be done on a selector, i.e. it should not be so easily removed. If a user only installs one lever without the other lever or a cap, we didn't want this to happen with ours.

One of these days I'll post the development history, and all the prototypes with various detent hole angles, detent groove depth, groove shoulder depth, etc. to shed light on the research that went on behind the scene. Trust me when I say we never thought there was so much to it


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Old 05-25-2012, 10:27 AM
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Any chance that these will be available through Brownells (they already list the AR15 versions) as they're able to ship to UK purchasers for items under $100?
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:46 PM
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I talked with Battle Arms Development about this. Even though Brownells states they can sell various gun parts if the total is under $100, that is for parts that are already registered and approved for export. The ambi safety selectors are not registered yet, and Brownells will not ship them.

Battle Arms Development is going through process to register the safety selectors for international sale, but it will take time.



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Old 05-26-2012, 10:48 AM
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The M&P 15-22 while not ambi, the selector on mine is reversable. My help those outside the US
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