want to frequently change sights

[spssniper308]

hello to all, just signed up. bought my wife a 1522 and now trying to figure out the sights. i have a atn reflex with thmb screws and want approx a 3-9 scope for when she hunts, but still want to use the open sights at times. question is, can i buy a quick detatch mount for the scope, hand tighten the reflex sight and open sights, and keep the zero. this is a multi use gun that i want her to have many options. dont really want to put 45 deg rails and have all 3 on at once for weight reasons. dosnt seem that the recoil of this gun would need heavy torquing to hold the different sights. need a solution for now until i can buy her 2 more 1522s, lol. thanks for any input. also seen the nc quick detatch mount in sportsmans guide for $30, are these any good?

[jonrobertd]

As far as my experience goes, just remember where on the rails you mounted the sight at, and if the stop(screw on mount) was pushed to the front or back of the slot, your zero shouldn't change too much. All mine are still killing squirrels at 25 to 40 yards. Actual mileage may vary.

[MAD FALCON]

This is what i did so I could run many options. I got magpul flip sights so I can fold them down and use a scope, use the eotech I have on my ar, or use iron sights. I did have to get the right riser and rings for the scope to clear the rear flip sight but that isnt a big deal. I marked where im supposed to put the scope and eotech on the flattop with white paint dots so its always dialed in. Hope that helps

[Griffy19]

Originally Posted by jonrobertd

As far as my experience goes, just remember where on the rails you mounted the sight at, and if the stop(screw on mount) was pushed to the front or back of the slot, your zero shouldn't change too much. All mine are still killing squirrels at 25 to 40 yards. Actual mileage may vary.

Yea like jonrobertd was saying if you just remember where you had it it should stay zeroed. Larue makes index clips that cover the rail and make it easier to see where you're sight should go.

[Jubz]

Here are some open iron sights that mount on a 45 degree:

Dueck Defense :: Tactical And 3 Gun Competition Gun Sight System Developed by: Barry Dueck

[Rustpot]

Originally Posted by Jubz

Here are some open iron sights that mount on a 45 degree:

Dueck Defense :: Tactical And 3 Gun Competition Gun Sight System Developed by: Barry Dueck

For $240 I'd be happier with an offset red dot

[spssniper308]

thanks for the help.i was hoping this wouldnt be a difficult problem. mainly gonna be a fun gun for her. we both have bench guns when we shoot for straight accuracy.also will be a good trainer for me as to this is the type of weapon we sometimes use at work.

[Jubz]

Originally Posted by Rustpot

For $240 I'd be happier with an offset red dot

Yeah, thought it was pretty steep in price also. I went with an offset red/green dot alongside a 4x32 scope myself.

[Jav]

I have a solution: Buy two M&P's

[Brett248Vista]

YouTube - How to mount your NcStar Mark III Scope (QD Mount)

That is the method I use to remove my scope, I've not had any issues holding zero.

[QuadCam]

Originally Posted by Brett248Vista

YouTube - How to mount your NcStar Mark III Scope (QD Mount)

That is the method I use to remove my scope, I've not had any issues holding zero.

brett, firstly.....thanks for all the youtube videos.
, Secondly, on your ncstar 3-9 acog style scope, does it hold zero when changing the magnification level of the scope. I like the idea of variable power, but I have been told that I am better off getting a fixed power scope. What are your experiences?

[TJ...]

Not exactly a low cost option but you can buy a 3x Eotech magnifying scope and put that on the flip rail attachment that comes with it and all behind a standard Eotech red dot. Allows fast and easy movement between the two sights.

[spssniper308]

i think im going to check into the nc star mark III. i generally beleive in spending money on my optics, sometimes to much i think, but i like the way the scope mounts and apparently it is a fairly clear scope from the reveiws.hopefully will put a pic on here soon. thanks again for the help.

[chuck s]

There are some pretty good quick detach mounts that will work nicely on this no-recoil rifle.

I don't see a need for a telescopic sight on a 50 yard rifle and if you mount an Aimpoint clone properly it never needs to be removed to use the iron sights as long as the covers are open.

Here's the latest iteration of mine with no QD mount.





-- Chuck

[Baggerdude]

Originally Posted by Brett248Vista

YouTube - How to mount your NcStar Mark III Scope (QD Mount)

That is the method I use to remove my scope, I've not had any issues holding zero.

Excellent vid, Brett .... I always enjoy your take on our gun. Thanx.

[JCKoLnturn]

Originally Posted by chuck s

There are some pretty good quick detach mounts that will work nicely on this no-recoil rifle.

I don't see a need for a telescopic sight on a 50 yard rifle and if you mount an Aimpoint clone properly it never needs to be removed to use the iron sights as long as the covers are open.

Here's the latest iteration of mine with no QD mount.





-- Chuck

Your setup is exactly the route I want to go, from the handle to the sight to the sling.

[Taranwanderer]

Ok, so a semi-related question: has anyone just taken their factory iron sights and mounted them on the right side rail? I had a scope mounted on the top rail when I bought the gun, but I thought it would be nice to still have an open sight for easier target acquisition close up. Anyone done this?

[Dragon88]

Wow this thread rose from the dead.

Originally Posted by Taranwanderer

Ok, so a semi-related question: has anyone just taken their factory iron sights and mounted them on the right side rail? I had a scope mounted on the top rail when I bought the gun, but I thought it would be nice to still have an open sight for easier target acquisition close up. Anyone done this?

Yes. Not on the side right rail, but on a 45 degree angle mount. There are a few options out there, either sights with this feature built in, or angled mounts to hold whichever sights you want.



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[Taranwanderer]

OK, I see how the 45 degree open sight mounts, but at that point, why not just turn it another 45 and shoot it sideways? It's a no-cost option if you've already removed your iron sights for a scope, and this gun doesn't kick enough to affect your shooting 90 degrees CCW, does it?

[Dragon88]

I just tried a 90 degree rotation with an AR. The stock is not held in the shoulder well and feels awkward, it is slower to get to than a 45 degree tilt, the elbow is kicked up too high, the rear sight will be way too far forward, and it just looks dumb. But hey it's your gun, rock your irons on the side rail if that's what you want to do...

[mn_doggie]

Blackhawk makes an offset picatinny mount that allows accessories to be mounted at either the 1 or 11 o'clock positions. I have one on order to put my Bushnell TRS-25 red dot off to the side. My 3-9x scope is mounted on a 1" riser with Leupold see thru rings so I can still use the iron sights.

Here's a picture..

Cabela's: Blackhawk!® Offset Rail Adapter

[ChattanoogaPhil]

All these fancy hardware parts and flip-flopping rifles aren't required.

If you want to be able to switch at any moment between a magnified optic, iron sights and a 1x red dot... just get a carry handle and a scope with a see-through mount, then drop a red dot on the top rail. Done.

This particular scope is a fixed 4x with a built-in carry handle mount that sits very low into the carry handle which allows you to move between irons and magnification with near zero cheek weld shift. The red dot co-witnesses perfectly with the irons.



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[hoonshyne]

Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil

All these fancy hardware parts and flip-flopping rifles aren't required.

If you want to be able to switch at any moment between a magnified optic, iron sights and a 1x red dot... just get a carry handle and a scope with a see-through mount, then drop a red dot on the top rail. Done.

This particular scope is a fixed 4x with a built-in carry handle mount that sits very low into the carry handle which allows you to move between irons and magnification with near zero cheek weld shift. The red dot co-witnesses perfectly with the irons.



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great point phil and nice gun. I'm going down this path as well. I've got flip up sights, a magnifier and tried two different red dots.
Im going for a similar set up. Carry handle/rear sight, flip up front sight, my open red dot for co witness and a REAL scope on top of the handle.
My primary purpose is range plinkin and I'm wanting to go further out (100 yds) and a 6x magnifier just doesn't cut it for me.

M3 red dot and 6x mag are going to be sold for the above-mentioned setup.

[chuck s]

A couple of notes since this thread has re-opened.

When mounting on the rail the sight should be pushed forward in the slot before tightening/latching. This prevents the sight from moving forward under recoil like what happens to all the silverware in your kitchen drawer when you jerk it open. This probably has little to no effect firing .22LR, but is vital with 5.56mm and heavier recoil. Good habits with your duty rifle should be carried over to this one.

Must inexpensive sight mounts have simple round cross bolts and are sloppy in the rail slots. The better mounts have square section cross pins and fit more securely in the rail. Again, less likely to be important with no-recoil .22LR systems but keep this in mind when shopping for your full-caliber rifle mounts.

-- Chuck

[Aceman58]

You want the very best and not cost you an arm and or leg, I highly recommend this: I us them on on of my AR15 and my M&P15/22, quick release, zero when returned, a direct copy of the A.R.M.S. of which I have on my AR15 with Aimpoint ML3. You can't top this price. Note: this only works for Red Dot with 30mm size tube, Vortex, SightMark & Aimpoint ML3 and sim. types.

Amazon.com: Military 30mm Cantilever Quick Detachable Heavy Duty Scope Mount For Weaver bases.: Sports & Outdoors

[Brett248Vista]

Originally Posted by chuck s

A couple of notes since this thread has re-opened.

When mounting on the rail the sight should be pushed forward in the slot before tightening/latching. This prevents the sight from moving forward under recoil like what happens to all the silverware in your kitchen drawer when you jerk it open. This probably has little to no effect firing .22LR, but is vital with 5.56mm and heavier recoil. Good habits with your duty rifle should be carried over to this one.

Must inexpensive sight mounts have simple round cross bolts and are sloppy in the rail slots. The better mounts have square section cross pins and fit more securely in the rail. Again, less likely to be important with no-recoil .22LR systems but keep this in mind when shopping for your full-caliber rifle mounts.

-- Chuck

Chuck,

Very GOOD point about pushing the scope to the front of the slot on rifles that have recoil. I may re-zero my optic this way just to retrain into that habit. I have mine to the rear of the slot and it's always held zero on this no recoil rifle. But on anything larger that may be an issue, and the scope "could" move as much as 1 to 2 16ths in that slot.

I have not had any issues holding zero through magnification and I even use the Bullet Drop Compensator, it gives me a repeatable method to go from 50 to 100 to 200 yards and even though it's set for 5.56, once I figured out the difference in ballistics it makes it easy to swap yardage.