Dream Variant of 15-22

crazykg85 · #1 07-27-2011, 04:36 PM

Just for a new topic of discussion.

I was at the range with an older family friend the other day who is very experienced with firearms. I actually bought my 15-22 from him before he even fired ( he said that is one of the few mistakes hes made with a firearm).

He was asking me how I liked the rifle, and of course I just gushed about it. But he did ask me what I would like S&W to change/add to the 15-22 series and this was my answer:
" I would like to test a .22WMR variant of this rifle. Maybe be able to purchase an entire upper assembly to switch from .22lr to .22wmr. I would like the option to have 16.25 in or an 18in barrel length for the rifle with the ability to accesorize as we do now."

I am definitely dreaming. But I thought that it might be a sweet little rifle that has additional hunting capabilities (ex.coyotes).

REL1203 · #2 07-27-2011, 04:42 PM

a 22Mag version would be awesome, i agree, not needed, but would be cool to see. I probably wouldnt own both, but if I was buying new between the 2, it would be tough You cant blow through Ammo with 22Mag like you can 22LR without starting to worry a little about cost.

CPTBeaker · #3 07-27-2011, 04:52 PM

This would be pretty cool, however unless OOB discharges are eliminated from the design, OOBs with this round would be even more scary. I would want a solution to that before the caliber got any bigger.

I'd personally like to see this rifle chambered for .17HMR.

crazykg85 · #4 07-27-2011, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CPTBeaker

This would be pretty cool, however unless OOB discharges are eliminated from the design, OOBs with this round would be even more scary. I would want a solution to that before the caliber got any bigger.

I'd personally like to see this rifle chambered for .17HMR.

You brought up something I failed to ask. What other modifications would the rest of the 15-22 owners like to see whether in caliber,barrel length etc...? I think I would be interested in the .17HMR as well...

The OOB would definitely need to be fixed before that. I like my hand more than my rifle...

Dragon88 · #5 07-27-2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CPTBeaker

This would be pretty cool, however unless OOB discharges are eliminated from the design, OOBs with this round would be even more scary. I would want a solution to that before the caliber got any bigger.

I'd personally like to see this rifle chambered for .17HMR.

Even the trusty Remington 597 succumbed to blowups with 17 HMR. Imagine the results with a 15-22 in this caliber.

Redbulladdikt · #6 07-27-2011, 06:11 PM

i think the 22 WMR or 17 HMR variations could be pretty sweet if the engineering bugs were worked out--but damn would they be expensive to shoot as much as i shoot the .22LRs LOL

thacheese · #7 07-27-2011, 06:57 PM

is anyone producing semi auto rifles using .17hmr or .22wmr at all? from what i read it says right on them they aren't safe for semi auto use.

Dragon88 · #8 07-27-2011, 07:05 PM

I think at least one manufacturer is selling a semi-auto 17 HMR. I saw an ad for it in a gun rag but I forget the name. Even if they are making the rifle though, as far as I know, CCI still has their safety warning out against using their 17 HMR ammunition in semi-autos. This is a potential liability issue that I wouldn't want to touch with a 10' pole if I were CCI or a gun maker.

crazykg85 · #9 07-27-2011, 08:09 PM

What about .204 ruger? They are pretty popular hunting wise.

Dragon88 · #10 07-27-2011, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crazykg85

What about .204 ruger? They are pretty popular hunting wise.

???

That is a centerfire cartridge.

crazykg85 · #11 07-27-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragon88

???

That is a centerfire cartridge.

Yeah, shoulda been more specific in my post. .204 would have to be better than .17HMR and .22WMR due to the concerns that were brought up. I But it is still different than .223 or .308.

Im probably stretching the topic a little too far.

DrD562 · #12 07-27-2011, 08:21 PM

I was actually looking for a .22WMR or .17HMR in a tactical rifle before I bought my M&P 15-22, all I could find was this:

Kel-Tec Carbine RMR30, 22 WMR, 16.1 in, Adjustable Stock, Black Finish, 30 Rd

.22WMR or .17HMR would be sweet!

Dragon88 · #13 07-27-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by crazykg85

Yeah, shoulda been more specific in my post. .204 would have to be better than .17HMR and .22WMR due to the concerns that were brought up. I But it is still different than .223 or .308.

Im probably stretching the topic a little too far.

204 Ruger is a high-pressure, centerfire rifle cartridge. There is no comparison between it and the rimfire cartridges that the 15-22 design would be capable of firing....

crazykg85 · #14 07-27-2011, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DrD562

I was actually looking for a .22WMR or .17HMR in a tactical rifle before I bought my M&P 15-22, all I could find was this:

Kel-Tec Carbine RMR30, 22 WMR, 16.1 in, Adjustable Stock, Black Finish, 30 Rd

.22WMR or .17HMR would be sweet!

I was checking them out, but I just couldn't talk myself into it. The only thing Im hung up on is the barrel. There is a whole lot of nothin' on the end of the rifle. It just looks like a pistol with an extended barrel to be a rifle. With that being said, I would still buy it to just blow some stuff away...

DrD562 · #15 07-27-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by crazykg85

I was checking them out, but I just couldn't talk myself into it. The only thing Im hung up on is the barrel. There is a whole lot of nothin' on the end of the rifle. It just looks like a pistol with an extended barrel to be a rifle. With that being said, I would still buy it to just blow some stuff away...

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Can't we just thread the barrel end and put a flash suppressor on it?

thacheese · #16 07-27-2011, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DrD562

Yeah, I thought the same thing. Can't we just thread the barrel end and put a flash suppressor on it?

maybe if it's legal in your state. if there was an option for a factory welded one which would be legal i'd buy it.

crazykg85 · #17 07-27-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragon88

204 Ruger is a high-pressure, centerfire rifle cartridge. There is no comparison between it and the rimfire cartridges that the 15-22 design would be capable of firing....

The 15-22 design in .22WMR would also have to have the same upgrades that the .204 ruger would because of how different the ammunition is from .22LR.

DrD562 · #18 07-27-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by thacheese

maybe if it's legal in your state. if there was an option for a factory welded one which would be legal i'd buy it.

I'm in Cali, rimfire rifles in CA don't follow the same rules as centerfire rifles, like the MOE, it's legal in CA as long as you get the 10 round magazine.

crazykg85 · #19 07-27-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by thacheese

maybe if it's legal in your state. if there was an option for a factory welded one which would be legal i'd buy it.

Im good in my State on pretty much everything...Minus fun.

Maybe if we could get Belt Fed to produce us some items for this rifle like a barrel shroud to make the end not so hideous, I'd buy it now.

DrD562 · #20 07-27-2011, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crazykg85

Im good in my State on pretty much everything...Minus fun.

Maybe if we could get Belt Fed to produce us some items for this rifle like a barrel shroud to make the end not so hideous, I'd buy it now.

I wonder if Tacticool22 would want to manufacture some accessories too?

gdogs · #21 07-27-2011, 09:25 PM

Nordic Components has a 22WMR version of their NC22 upper coming out sometime this year. It's currently in beta testing. Their design is closer to a Ruger 10/22 than an AR but looks exactly like one.

Dragon88 · #22 07-27-2011, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by crazykg85

The 15-22 design in .22WMR would also have to have the same upgrades that the .204 ruger would because of how different the ammunition is from .22LR.

You have no idea what you're saying, bringing the 204 Ruger into this discussion. 22 WMR is a rimfire cartridge operating around 25,000 psi. The 204 Ruger is a centerfire cartridge operating at over twice that pressure. There is zero comparison between them, and if S&W did make an M&P in 204 Ruger it would be an M&P 15, not a 15-22.

Redbulladdikt · #23 07-28-2011, 12:16 AM

Alexander Arms currently offers a 17 HMR complete upper for around $725...they are currently developing a 22 WMR variant...

i suppose i am going to have to get a second line of credit at the bank LOL

Spectre_USA · #24 07-28-2011, 12:36 AM

I'd also love to see a .22WMR on the 15-22 frame, but figure S&W have
probably learned a lesson from SR, who discontinued their 10/22M after
only a few years.

The build materials, i.e. steel versus aluminum, drove up the cost to
produce, which more than likely hampered sales.

Selling just an upper for us existing users might be viable, eh?

crazykg85 · #25 07-28-2011, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragon88

You have no idea what you're saying, bringing the 204 Ruger into this discussion. 22 WMR is a rimfire cartridge operating around 25,000 psi. The 204 Ruger is a centerfire cartridge operating at over twice that pressure. There is zero comparison between them, and if S&W did make an M&P in 204 Ruger it would be an M&P 15, not a 15-22.

I apologize for not being more specific. Yes, I competely understand the cartridge difference. I previously stated that I was stretching the topic too far. By no means do I think that .22WMR and .204 ruger are similar in anyway outside of the fact that they are bullets.

Jav · #26 07-30-2011, 09:55 PM

I've been thinking about this all day at work & dunno if it would be considered a "variant" but I want to shoot a M&P that has a 3 round burst

Would be soo much fun. Weird that I've been thinking about it a lot today.

Would be cool to see a 15-22 modeled like the M&P 15 (short carbine handguard) and also have receivers made of aluminum.

jonrobertd · #27 07-30-2011, 11:58 PM

Maybe a .17m2 so we could use the same mags. Really only need a barrel made.

ryhanus · #28 07-31-2011, 01:17 AM

I would love to see s&w make beta mags for our 15-22. That would be the coolest thing ever... Holding like 200-250. That would have a new meaning to the term "kick brass"

Dragon88 · #29 07-31-2011, 01:27 AM

Black Dog makes a 50 round drum.

ryhanus · #30 07-31-2011, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragon88

Black Dog makes a 50 round drum.

I know i have seen them, almost bought one but ran out of $$$

But just saying, if you had a beta mag on a 22, you would never be left alone from people on the range and would have the sickest looking set up

crazykg85 · #31 07-31-2011, 01:46 AM

The beta mag would be better than the 50 round drum when the zombies come...

But seriously,it would be cool. But drum magazines with rimfire ammunition can be extremely finnicky. I can't imagine the type of pain a $100 plus beta mag would cause when it doesn't load properly and cycle properly...

Dragon88 · #32 07-31-2011, 01:48 AM

Do you really need half a brick of 22lr in one magazine?

crazykg85 · #33 07-31-2011, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragon88

Do you really need half a brick of 22lr in one magazine?

Nope, but that is one of the great things about being an American!

Redbulladdikt · #34 07-31-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by crazykg85

Nope, but that is one of the great things about being an American!

couldnt have said it better myself! LOL

Scuds03 · #35 07-31-2011, 11:18 AM

I actually really want a 5.56 version of the 15-22. What I mean is an all polymer bodied AR-15 with a polymer carbine length rail. Put that together with a lightweight M4 barrel profile and a micro-dot and you'd have a really high-speed stick. I don't know but does anyone know if polymer AR uppers and lowers exist?

guy22 · #36 07-31-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuds03

I actually really want a 5.56 version of the 15-22. What I mean is an all polymer bodied AR-15 with a polymer carbine length rail. Put that together with a lightweight M4 barrel profile and a micro-dot and you'd have a really high-speed stick. I don't know but does anyone know if polymer AR uppers and lowers exist?

PlumCrazy Firearms makes lowers, not sure of uppers.
Guy22

Jav · #37 07-31-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by guy22

PlumCrazy Firearms makes lowers, not sure of uppers.
Guy22

I wouldn't be surprised if they're working on uppers, though. Scudds dream should come true in no time.

mud king · #38 11-21-2011, 10:41 PM

The .22LR is a small cartridge. I would not want to see a full polymer 5.56 just because it's a bigger cartridge. I've heard the 15-22 with the polymer build "bends" when you put a bipod on the front. Not sure if its really the polymer, but I wouldn't want to see the 5.56 in polymer

J22LR1der · #39 11-23-2011, 12:52 PM

Just picked mine up and am Loving it.
Only thing id like as an Dream Accessory is a Magpul 22lr Pmag to fit.

Aceman58 · #40 11-24-2011, 09:19 AM

Interesting comment about the .22 WMR, I own two Marlin 782 bolt action .22 WMR and love it.. Granted the cost is more for the .22 WMR but it is accurate as hell and very potent. I too would like to see the M&P chambered in .22 WMR. They are doing the .17 HMR so why not the .22 WMR. The pressures should be about the same. I think if S&W did this, it would be the last AR15 I add to my tactical rifles.. They may have to make the upper metal with the added pressures of this caliber, but I'm not an engineer so I'd like to see what S&W will do.. Keepem in the 10 ring..

Paracord Joes · #41 11-24-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mud king

The .22LR is a small cartridge. I would not want to see a full polymer 5.56 just because it's a bigger cartridge. I've heard the 15-22 with the polymer build "bends" when you put a bipod on the front. Not sure if its really the polymer, but I wouldn't want to see the 5.56 in polymer

They already exist...

Bushmaster - Home Defense & Recreation Rifles

Stillsearchin' · #42 11-24-2011, 02:02 PM

My vote for a 22WMR version.