I now have about 2000 rounds through my M&P15-22 using the slide fire stock. The trigger is getting smoother and I am now able to control the rate of fire by holding the hand guard and applying various amounts of forward pressure.
How often/how long are you guys letting your barrel cool down?
When I get tired of loading it lol. When I got my drum I fired 250 rounds as fast as I could load it. I still could touch the barrel but only for a second or so.
Has this happened to anyone using Slide Fire Stock?
I recently installed the Slide Fire Stock and have shot ~500 rounds. Yesterday I noticed an object on the ground where I shoot. It turned out to be the dust cap that sits in the end of the buffer tube. Was wondering if anyone else had this happen to them.
I recently installed the Slide Fire Stock and have shot ~500 rounds. Yesterday I noticed an object on the ground where I shoot. It turned out to be the dust cap that sits in the end of the buffer tube. Was wondering if anyone else had this happen to them.
I recently installed the Slide Fire Stock and have shot ~500 rounds. Yesterday I noticed an object on the ground where I shoot. It turned out to be the dust cap that sits in the end of the buffer tube. Was wondering if anyone else had this happen to them.
what cap? I don't see no cap on my buffer tube. Anyone got a picture of the cap on the buffer tube?
Got my Slide Fire Today, I all ready installed JP Yellow Springs, which have worked well without slide fire, maybe 1 or 2 ftf's per 100 rounds, I tried to polish the catch on my trigger, but only had some cheap metal polishing crayon type stuff I got from home depot, rubbed it on there and dry fired (catching it of course) for an hour or so. I lubed up the springs, the catch, and even some dry lube on the slide fire. I can only get spuratic 3-10rd bursts. What am I doing wrong.....is there anything I can do to avoid spending another $200 on a friggin timney trigger?
I feel like the biggest problem is the trigger is not reseting, I used both CCI mini mags and federal bulk ammo.
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Got my Slide Fire Today, I all ready installed JP Yellow Springs, which have worked well without slide fire, maybe 1 or 2 ftf's per 100 rounds, I tried to polish the catch on my trigger, but only had some cheap metal polishing crayon type stuff I got from home depot, rubbed it on there and dry fired (catching it of course) for an hour or so. I lubed up the springs, the catch, and even some dry lube on the slide fire. I can only get spuratic 3-10rd bursts. What am I doing wrong.....is there anything I can do to avoid spending another $200 on a friggin timney trigger?
I feel like the biggest problem is the trigger is not reseting, I used both CCI mini mags and federal bulk ammo.
I had my fcg worked on by a gunsmith when I got my slidefire stock. While the gunsmithed trigger was a nice upgrade over the stock trigger (I also had the yellow springs installed), it didnt work well with the slidefire. I, like you, could only get random bursts and no full mag dumps. I then bought the Rock River trigger for $95 and put the yellow springs in. It works AWESOME! I can do full mag dumps mag after mag. I highly recommend this trigger.
I had my fcg worked on by a gunsmith when I got my slidefire stock. While the gunsmithed trigger was a nice upgrade over the stock trigger (I also had the yellow springs installed), it didnt work well with the slidefire. I, like you, could only get random bursts and no full mag dumps. I then bought the Rock River trigger for $95 and put the yellow springs in. It works AWESOME! I can do full mag dumps mag after mag. I highly recommend this trigger.
I'm so torn! Are you sure I don't need the $200 timney trigger? I dont want to spend $100 and not have it work every time like the timney does!
I'm so torn! Are you sure I don't need the $200 timney trigger? I dont want to spend $100 and not have it work every time like the timney does!
I can tell you it's works flawlessly for me and other members on here have had the same results. I actually got the idea of using the rock river trigger with the slide fire on this thread. I don't want to guarantee you anything though
Got my Slide Fire Today, I all ready installed JP Yellow Springs, which have worked well without slide fire, maybe 1 or 2 ftf's per 100 rounds, I tried to polish the catch on my trigger, but only had some cheap metal polishing crayon type stuff I got from home depot, rubbed it on there and dry fired (catching it of course) for an hour or so. I lubed up the springs, the catch, and even some dry lube on the slide fire. I can only get spuratic 3-10rd bursts. What am I doing wrong.....is there anything I can do to avoid spending another $200 on a friggin timney trigger?
I feel like the biggest problem is the trigger is not reseting, I used both CCI mini mags and federal bulk ammo.
I felt the same exact way! I went to the Slide Fire site and looked at the technique, you tube has videos as well. One thing I found was I was not keeping the stock tight against my shoulder. As I refined my technique the bursts got longer and longer. Now doing full mag dumps at will with the Remington Golden Bullet bulk packs. Winchester bulk has not been as good for me. I would recommend practicing more before spending more $. Just my 2 cents.
I felt the same exact way! I went to the Slide Fire site and looked at the technique, you tube has videos as well. One thing I found was I was not keeping the stock tight against my shoulder. As I refined my technique the bursts got longer and longer. Now doing full mag dumps at will with the Remington Golden Bullet bulk packs. Winchester bulk has not been as good for me. I would recommend practicing more before spending more $. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks dude,
I sent 500rds down range yesterday, plan on at least another 500 today. Hopefully I can get it soon, I dont know how long I can wait hahahaha.
Thanks for the info on the tube cap too scposubs! Took my slide fire off and what do you know, cap was just about to fall off, guess that will be staying at home on slide fire days. Here's a couple pics of it
Thanks dude,
I sent 500rds down range yesterday, plan on at least another 500 today. Hopefully I can get it soon, I dont know how long I can wait hahahaha.
Thanks for the info on the tube cap too scposubs! Took my slide fire off and what do you know, cap was just about to fall off, guess that will be staying at home on slide fire days. Here's a couple pics of it
There must be different styles of buffer tubes s&w has used because I definatley don't have the cap on mine. The buffer tube on my 15-22 is solid, is yours hollow?
There must be different styles of buffer tubes s&w has used because I definatley don't have the cap on mine. The buffer tube on my 15-22 is solid, is yours hollow?
Interesting. Yes its hollow, not sure how deep though the other end on the inside of the gun is solid.
I felt the same exact way! I went to the Slide Fire site and looked at the technique, you tube has videos as well. One thing I found was I was not keeping the stock tight against my shoulder. As I refined my technique the bursts got longer and longer. Now doing full mag dumps at will with the Remington Golden Bullet bulk packs. Winchester bulk has not been as good for me. I would recommend practicing more before spending more $. Just my 2 cents.
You should be able to fire regardless of how hard you hold it against your shoulder. With the timney 3lb I can grip the rail anyway I please. I can use a front grip. It even works with my grip, rail panels, heavy steel riser and Bushnell 4x32 rifle scope. I get easy and very accurate 3 shot burst bench resting the gun on its magazine.
It also works with a wobbly bipod shooting prone.
Point is with this trigger I can configure the gun virtually any way I want it will still perform well. I have never lubed the buffer tube either. Jp springs didnt work for me....and I'm so glad they didn't
Gawt dammit GaBoy now i really want the timney. On another thread someone mentioned i needed some $33 locking pins to keep the timney in or else i will have to screw the ones that come with it into the polymer which i deffinately dont want to do and he said they fall out anyway. Was this true for you?
Snowboarder, how bout yours with the rock river? Can you put whatever you want on your gun and it still work flawlessly?
Gawt dammit GaBoy now i really want the timney. On another thread someone mentioned i needed some $33 locking pins to keep the timney in or else i will have to screw the ones that come with it into the polymer which i deffinately dont want to do and he said they fall out anyway. Was this true for you?
Snowboarder, how bout yours with the rock river? Can you put whatever you want on your gun and it still work flawlessly?
I have rail covers, moe flip up sights, and an angled fore grip on mine. I haven't tried it with a scope mounted yet
Gawt dammit GaBoy now i really want the timney. On another thread someone mentioned i needed some $33 locking pins to keep the timney in or else i will have to screw the ones that come with it into the polymer which i deffinately dont want to do and he said they fall out anyway. Was this true for you?
Snowboarder, how bout yours with the rock river? Can you put whatever you want on your gun and it still work flawlessly?
Yea my pins kept falling out. I put tape over them until I installed kns gen 2 anti walk pins. Well worth the money and they do not move at ALL. I just rolled over the 3000 rd mark with no issues other than the pins. Lil gun has taken a hammering.
Went shooting today.. again. 4th day in a row at the range.
I met up with a buddy who has a similar setup; he has a heavier VGrip (with the bi-pod) and a 3x scope from his AR. Shooting the CCI Tactical ammo - it was near flawless.
Here is what I learned today:
- Don't buy Winchester 333 rounds for fast firing. CCI Tacticals look to be the way to go.
- The M&P 15-22 with a Slide Fire stock can shoot silver-dollar size groupings with a 50 round drum.
- A suppressed M&P 15-22 with Timney trigger, 3x Scope, large VGrip with bipod - still does full 50rnd drum empties.
Below is a video of the gun suppressed; the first two shots were test fires (pulling the trigger vs. using the stock) to hear the difference after screwing the suppressor on - followed by shooting the remaining 6 rounds:
Nice videos! I use federal bulk ammo with my slidefire and have found it to be extremely reliable. Loved the vid of the mp5, I had the opportunity to shoot a semi auto version a few months ago and it was an absolute blast!
Update on the Remington thunderbolt 22 dirt cheap non plated stuff. After firing 700 rounds my last outing I was horrified when I looked down the bore with a light. It was gunked from hell and back! I can't believe I didn't blow the gun up. After hammering my rod and brush through for 30 to 45 minutes and using nearly half a bottle of hoppes I got it clean. Needless to say no more non plated unless it's a mag here or there.
Thing that sucks is that it runs better than anything including cci mini mags.
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700 rounds earlier today 500 CCI Mini Mags 100 Remington Thunderbolt and 100 Winchester 40 grain (non plated like the rems).
50 Round drum results: CCI 3 out of 10 were flawless 50 round dumps.
Up to 6 FTF per drum.
Remington Thunderbolt: 2 FLAWLESS 50 round dumps. No FTF.
Winchester 40 grain: 99 out of 100 with one FTF.
I've yet to try the CCI tactical but this is crazy. The cheapest ammo on the planet functions better than the 22 ammo that rules the game; CCI.
It's just a b1tch to clean the d@mn barrel!!!!!
Why dont you just use a boresnake? I use a hoppes boresnake and after 750 rounds I still only require one pass through the barrel and I'm clean as a wistle.
700 rounds earlier today 500 CCI Mini Mags 100 Remington Thunderbolt and 100 Winchester 40 grain (non plated like the rems).
50 Round drum results: CCI 3 out of 10 were flawless 50 round dumps.
Up to 6 FTF per drum.
Remington Thunderbolt: 2 FLAWLESS 50 round dumps. No FTF.
Winchester 40 grain: 99 out of 100 with one FTF.
I've yet to try the CCI tactical but this is crazy. The cheapest ammo on the planet functions better than the 22 ammo that rules the game; CCI.
It's just a b1tch to clean the d@mn barrel!!!!!
Yeah I use federal bulk ~$16 for 550 rounds and have great results with it, I highly recommend it. And +1 on using a boresnake, it is so simple and fast an works like a charm!
So I had to break down and spend the $200 on the timney trigger, figured if I was going to spend money on a new trigger it better be the best in the business! Plus I have a ton of heavy stuff comin(laser, scope, red dot) that I would really like to be sure that I can leave on it and do mag dumps. I did manage to squeez of a nearly full mag dump yesterday, but your technique has to be near perfect to do that. This is now the most expensive .22 I have ever seen lol.
- lead bullets (even waxed) pushed over 1,100-1,200 fps are more prone to barrel leading than slower or plated rounds.
- hot barrels lead up worse than cold ones; the hotter the barrel, the faster/worse the leading.
- in that vein, extended rapid fire exacerbates the above two conditions.
I do agree it is a bummer situation when the most accurate ammo in your 15-22 causes the most leading problems. One can lap out a centerfire barrel with a few hundred rounds of jacketed ammo, but it takes several thousand rounds, at best, to do it to a .22 LR barrel. A .22 barrel can be hand-lapped, but I am not sure, in the case of 15-22, that it is worth the effort.
Any of you using the Slide Fire isn't afraid of a squib???
A friend of mine sent me (from the AR15 forum, I think), a picture of a barrel split in half due to a squib load.
The odds of a burst barrel from a .22 LR squib load getting hit by a second bullet is infinitesimal. In firing well over 100k of .22 over the years, I've never had a squib load.
Squibs with centerfire ammo are more common, but virtually always with handloads from careless handloaders. Never had a squib load with over 50k of MY handloads and I have no idea how much factory ammo over the years.
And then there's the millions of rounds of ammo the military fires ...
- lead bullets (even waxed) pushed over 1,100-1,200 fps are more prone to barrel leading than slower or plated rounds.
- hot barrels lead up worse than cold ones; the hotter the barrel, the faster/worse the leading.
- in that vein, extended rapid fire exacerbates the above two conditions.
I do agree it is a bummer situation when the most accurate ammo in your 15-22 causes the most leading problems. One can lap out a centerfire barrel with a few hundred rounds of jacketed ammo, but it takes several thousand rounds, at best, to do it to a .22 LR barrel. A .22 barrel can be hand-lapped, but I am not sure, in the case of 15-22, that it is worth the effort.
That's a good point. I was shooting nothing but non plated with the 25 rd mags (before i got the drum) and seen very little leading.
However with the 50 rd drum following by two 25 rounders non stop then reloading and doing it again. Yea lol....the heat is the different variable.
I have a bore snake but haven't thought to use it lol
Any of you using the Slide Fire isn't afraid of a squib???
A friend of mine sent me (from the AR15 forum, I think), a picture of a barrel split in half due to a squib load.
So I had to break down and spend the $200 on the timney trigger, figured if I was going to spend money on a new trigger it better be the best in the business! Plus I have a ton of heavy stuff comin(laser, scope, red dot) that I would really like to be sure that I can leave on it and do mag dumps. I did manage to squeez of a nearly full mag dump yesterday, but your technique has to be near perfect to do that. This is now the most expensive .22 I have ever seen lol.
Did you pick up the kns pins? If not tape over them once you drop the timney in.
Would a drop of Purple LocTite on each end hold the pins in place?
I doubt it. The pins are just sitting in the frame. They are not screwed in. The loctite would have to dry and form a bond - but since it is a non-pressed bond, any vibration would break it free.
Ya bought the pins! Begrudgingly, but i found em for a decent price and free shipping off joeboboutfitters.com with a lower I had just ordered anyway. The trigger is on back order anyway, will be another 3weeks till i get it
Ya bought the pins! Begrudgingly, but i found em for a decent price and free shipping off joeboboutfitters.com with a lower I had just ordered anyway. The trigger is on back order anyway, will be another 3weeks till i get it
Haha yea I wish! This is the most fun to price ratio gun I have ever owned! Just got it this month and most weeks I'm making 2 trips to the gun range, which usually was only once a month as its a good 30 minutes into the mountains. Maybe I'll start grabbin smaller boxes of different stuff just to see what runs best in mine.
Haha yea I wish! This is the most fun to price ratio gun I have ever owned! Just got it this month and most weeks I'm making 2 trips to the gun range, which usually was only once a month as its a good 30 minutes into the mountains. Maybe I'll start grabbin smaller boxes of different stuff just to see what runs best in mine.
Thats what i have done
ran 6 different TYPES in my baby in less than a week....
Fun Times for sure
CCI are the best... but the Federal Value works Great for LOBBING a BUNCH of rounds...
Still gunna try some OTHERS once my slide stock arrives....
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