another ammo thread/ barrel lead prob

mchn13 · #1 02-03-2012, 01:29 AM

Sorry gents; I know ther have been many threads about ammo..
When I first got this gun about june, I bought box after box of wally world bulk winchester, with a few duds, but the gun ran great with very few ftf's or fte's. After learning to load the mags right, mostly just a srtike and no fire every couple hundred..
I got a couple boxes of federal target grade something for christmas, and never had one bad one through the gun, but I did note the lack of a copper(?) Coating.
The fellow at my local gun shop suggested I try the blazer ammo, and I ran about 200 rds through it; no ftf's etc... but it started keyholeing, and missing the target. Got it home bore brushed it and cleaned the snot out of it, got a huge chunk of lead out of the barrel, almost half the size of a bullet head!
Took it back to the range today, fired 175 rds throught it. Ran great! Got home decided to clean it this eve, looked daown the barrel in the light and saw more debris

took a bore brush to it again, and got a couple slivers of lead.
Sorry for long post, but has anyone had this problem with this or unplated ammo in general? Or could something be wrong with the gun?
Thanks for any replies.

mchn13 · #2 02-03-2012, 01:32 AM

Btw, this is after around 6-7000 rds of junk ammo..

ECLIPZD95 · #3 02-03-2012, 04:03 AM

I've shot over 3,000 rounds with CCI Blazer bulk without any issues or excessive lead build up in the barrel. I do however run a bore snake through it after each 500 round trip to the range.

glockeyed · #4 02-03-2012, 07:21 AM

you must have a bur somewhere. or maybe the rounds are hitting the flash hider?

Juvicator · #5 02-03-2012, 08:04 AM

Hope you don't have a bulge.

JaPes · #6 02-03-2012, 09:01 AM

Maybe you still have lead fouling the barrel. I once had a Taurus Judge & shot 100rds of cowboy action .45LC. It took multiple brush & patch passes, and two different solvents to get it clean.

Have you considered that you may have copper fouling from the copper plated rounds? Some Hoppes Copper solvent could fix it.

Then when that's all done & the rifle is lightly lubed, run some CCI mini mags through it.

Juvicator · #7 02-03-2012, 09:59 AM

I had almost the same thing happen after shooting a whole brick of wildcat. Shots were going all over the place. Took about an hour to get all the lead out. After that I got a half decent barrel light to see all the "shadows" of lead.

mchn13 · #8 02-03-2012, 12:34 PM

I'm gonna shine a light down it today, see if I see any residue. Its at the breach end. I don't have a flash hider. Like I said it didn't happen until I went through a box or two of unplated fed, and then the blazer..
ill check the bore today, and go back to the range tomorrow to try a couple hundred blazers through it again, and then gedt the gunsmith to check it. I've just never had this problem, and have b een through thousands of rounds..
Thanks for the replies fellas

Aceman58 · #9 02-03-2012, 07:48 PM

Give CCI Tactical a try, it is great, copper plated, bullet is tight to the casings, 1200 fps at muzzle, powder is clean burning and no leading in the barrel. They cost a little more (approx. $24 for 375 rounds), but you get what you pay for.

After shooting several different brands lead & copper plated, I have decided CCI Tactical for me, I get to shoot longer clean less and it is staying accurate with zero flyers. That to me is worth the extra up front.

mchn13 · #10 02-04-2012, 04:08 PM

Ill Buy a box of the tactical this week and try it. Any other bulk copper plated ammo? Don't get me wrong, id be happier than a pig in #%it if it just wanted to run the cheap stuff lol..

thacheese · #11 02-04-2012, 04:51 PM

i had this problem with a single brick of winchester 555. never had a problem with the federal 550 or 525, cci tactical, or winchester m22.

dannybot · #12 02-04-2012, 10:00 PM

I had some Winchester 333's laying around when I bought mine, and had lots of feed failures, sometimes several per mag. I got a box of Blazer bulk and took it out shooting today, not a single issue, but I inadvertently mixed a few of the 333's in, and it would almost always jam when those tried to cycle.

Just looked at the barrel after about 250 rounds, and it cleaned with two passes of a cleaning patch.

mchn13 · #13 02-06-2012, 07:16 PM

I don't know, I may have just gotten a bad batch of the blazer.. went thru a couple hundred rds of bulk wally world junk and got a couple rds that struck but didn't fire. Other than that it cycled fine.
Took it home ran a couple patches thru it, and it cleaned up pretty fast and no leading. Maybe my gun is just used to copper plated rds after several thousand.?

Aceman58 · #14 02-07-2012, 05:12 AM

I shot the Winchester 333, around 400 rounds. I was not very impressed with this round. First, the bullet are copper plated but they were not tightly in the brass casing, you could spin the bullet and some even wobbled. I was getting lots of flyers, didn't know why, but my best guess is that the pressures varied due to the spinning bullets in the case.

I found CCI bullets, lead and copper plated, to be tightly seated on 99% of the rounds. Even the CCI bulk were tight. The CCI Tactical all are tight and I haven't found one single bullet that was spinning to date.

CCI tactical for me....