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Old 04-23-2012, 01:13 PM
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Saturday I just picked up my M&P 15-22, Talo edition. Put 300 rounds through it with the MBUS sights and everything worked great (accurate right out of the box). But now I am looking for a scope I heard of a few people ordering from Valhalla and I was looking at the 3-9 Urban Warrior, with red dot and light. I really like the 3-9 Ultimate AR-15 scope, but they are on back order. Anyone have any experience or thoughts on these scopes or a set up with a scope and red dot combo?
The Urban Warrior also has a flashlight which would look cool too.

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Did you read the reviews?????
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I just may not know what Im talking about, so keep this in mind...
The 15-22 is no where near being a sniper rifle or even a long range rifle. I see members adding higher dollar/ higher power glass to their 15-22's then what I have on my .17HMR.

I just dont see the need for anything more than a DOT. Now this may be because if I cant hit what Im shooting at I just go inside and grab something more precise

What are you guys REALLY shooting at? What distance?
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I would go with a better quality scope. Try this place. I had a Vortex Diamondback that was a decent scope.
Also I have placed a order with Valhalla once and that was enough for me!!!!SWFA Riflescopes
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Thank you for the feedback. The reviews on the scope look good, but for 1 guy who had it on a 223, as I will have it on a 22 I dont think it will be a concern. I like the idea of the scope to see further if needed or zoom in on target, and the red dot for close range. I live in the country so can shoot whenever and will also be using this gun for hunting small game. I didnt know if there was any other setups like this out there (scope and red dot), I couldn't really find any online, and was hoping someone else may know of some. Also I dont want to spend more than $200. I have high end scopes on larger game hunting rifles where they are needed, but not really in this app.
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Anybody that sees that hodge-podge of stuff on top of your rifle is going to think you are some kind of newb, trust me on this. It is bad enough that many stick all kinds of semi useless stuff on their rails like it is going to make it look like some fantastic tactical rifle. In fact it is more like someone who goes down to Pep Boys and buys some new knick-knack every week or so to stick on his car, like mud flaps, chrome fender trim, LED lights and junk like that. In fact much of that rifle stuff goes on for forum pics and then goes back in the drawer. I admit having a couple of lasers, tactical lights, vertical grips, bipods, and even a red dot scope with a laser built in but in fact except for some specialized purpose that stuff stays in a drawer also. I am more concerned with how the gun performs not how it looks. So I concentrate of triggers, specific scopes and/or red dots, magazines, and better basic parts like stocks and such.
Forget lasers. What they really do is tell a perp that someone is after them. And no matter how you mount them there is going to be only one range point where the laser will cross over the guns aiming point such that a bullet will actually go where you point the laser at.
If you want it for home use get a low power tactical scope (1-4x or 1-6x) with illuminated crosshairs and an LED mountable light with both steady and strobe output. Lasers look good on TV/movie so they always use them there. But for the same reason most directors use fullflash blanks, because it looks cool on screen.
If you want a cheaper scope that works look at the BSA Sweet 22 3-9x40AO. Adjustable parallax from 15-175 yards, and bullet drop compensation for 36, 38, and 40g .22LR rounds. All for about $60 in the older version new. Better quality would be a Mueller APT or APV.
you don't need lots of power either. Multigun competitors routinely make shots to 300 yards with nothing more than 1-4x24 tactical scopes on a .223 (I use a 1-6x24 on my 3-gun AR). But my competition AR15-22 normally only has a dual color reflex red dot sight on it. I do have a quick release mount with a 1.5-4.5x32 scope if needed. It is enough for my club's Metallic Silhouette match. For home defense a tactical shotgun is a much better choice.
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That looks like something every mall ninja needs.
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This reply is a little after the fact; but I am not looking for the all the **** mounted on my rails at all. I bought the gun because I used to have a .223 and like to unload the clips and have fun shooting in the back 40. I didnt get this gun to sit on a bench and shoot at targets (not that there is anything wrong with it, that is what I did with the .223 when I went to school in Arizona). I bought it to have fun with and shoot small game. Where I hunt, Northeast Wisconsin, we have farm country, open crop land, hardwoods, and swamps. Alot of people use open sights under a scope to hunt with so if is a close running shot you can use open sights or if it is a long range or standing shot you got the scope which is use most of the time. I would be using the scope most of the time also on the 15-22, so I dont want it mounted super high just to use the iron sight every now and again. I was only wondering if there was options out there that I had not seen. I understand there is a great setup for everything, scope- long range and still shots, open sights- great for quick or close shots but not great at longer shots unless on a bench, and the middle of the road red dot. I was looking for a jack of all trades and like having a scope for those long shots at coyotes, rabbits and raccoons, but if I jump them and they are close I dont have to find them in a scope to get off a quick shot. Anyway I ordered a BSA Sweet 22 with quick release mounts yesterday and they should be here for the weekend. Ill try that for now and see how I like it.
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I just may not know what Im talking about, so keep this in mind...
The 15-22 is no where near being a sniper rifle or even a long range rifle. I see members adding higher dollar/ higher power glass to their 15-22's then what I have on my .17HMR.

I just dont see the need for anything more than a DOT. Now this may be because if I cant hit what Im shooting at I just go inside and grab something more precise

What are you guys REALLY shooting at? What distance?
Not familiar with the optics in question but...If you consider your 15-22 a training rifle for your AR then it's a good place to hang quality backup optics of the same quality & type you use on your AR's. I have ACOGs on both of my 15-22's. The more you use the BAC the better it works!

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Anybody that sees that hodge-podge of stuff on top of your rifle is going to think you are some kind of newb, trust me on this. It is bad enough that many stick all kinds of semi useless stuff on their rails like it is going to make it look like some fantastic tactical rifle. In fact it is more like someone who goes down to Pep Boys and buys some new knick-knack every week or so to stick on his car, like mud flaps, chrome fender trim, LED lights and junk like that. In fact much of that rifle stuff goes on for forum pics and then goes back in the drawer. I admit having a couple of lasers, tactical lights, vertical grips, bipods, and even a red dot scope with a laser built in but in fact except for some specialized purpose that stuff stays in a drawer also. I am more concerned with how the gun performs not how it looks. So I concentrate of triggers, specific scopes and/or red dots, magazines, and better basic parts like stocks and such.
Forget lasers. What they really do is tell a perp that someone is after them. And no matter how you mount them there is going to be only one range point where the laser will cross over the guns aiming point such that a bullet will actually go where you point the laser at.
If you want it for home use get a low power tactical scope (1-4x or 1-6x) with illuminated crosshairs and an LED mountable light with both steady and strobe output. Lasers look good on TV/movie so they always use them there. But for the same reason most directors use fullflash blanks, because it looks cool on screen.
If you want a cheaper scope that works look at the BSA Sweet 22 3-9x40AO. Adjustable parallax from 15-175 yards, and bullet drop compensation for 36, 38, and 40g .22LR rounds. All for about $60 in the older version new. Better quality would be a Mueller APT or APV.
you don't need lots of power either. Multigun competitors routinely make shots to 300 yards with nothing more than 1-4x24 tactical scopes on a .223 (I use a 1-6x24 on my 3-gun AR). But my competition AR15-22 normally only has a dual color reflex red dot sight on it. I do have a quick release mount with a 1.5-4.5x32 scope if needed. It is enough for my club's Metallic Silhouette match. For home defense a tactical shotgun is a much better choice.
I also have small, compact lasers on both of mine. Lasermax uni-max's. It's the same as I have on my AR's and it's just another tool in the tool kit; nice to have when you want it and the green one works great along with the slidefire on one of the 22's. Small, unobtrusive, and weighs less than an ounce, IIRC.
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The problem with green is the beam is totally visible all the time which means any perp in sight knows exactly where you are. One reason why tactical/SWAT uses only red.
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Anybody that sees that hodge-podge of stuff on top of your rifle is going to think you are some kind of newb, trust me on this. It is bad enough that many stick all kinds of semi useless stuff on their rails like it is going to make it look like some fantastic tactical rifle. In fact it is more like someone who goes down to Pep Boys and buys some new knick-knack every week or so to stick on his car, like mud flaps, chrome fender trim, LED lights and junk like that. In fact much of that rifle stuff goes on for forum pics and then goes back in the drawer. I admit having a couple of lasers, tactical lights, vertical grips, bipods, and even a red dot scope with a laser built in but in fact except for some specialized purpose that stuff stays in a drawer also. I am more concerned with how the gun performs not how it looks. So I concentrate of triggers, specific scopes and/or red dots, magazines, and better basic parts like stocks and such.
Forget lasers. What they really do is tell a perp that someone is after them. And no matter how you mount them there is going to be only one range point where the laser will cross over the guns aiming point such that a bullet will actually go where you point the laser at.
If you want it for home use get a low power tactical scope (1-4x or 1-6x) with illuminated crosshairs and an LED mountable light with both steady and strobe output. Lasers look good on TV/movie so they always use them there. But for the same reason most directors use fullflash blanks, because it looks cool on screen.
If you want a cheaper scope that works look at the BSA Sweet 22 3-9x40AO. Adjustable parallax from 15-175 yards, and bullet drop compensation for 36, 38, and 40g .22LR rounds. All for about $60 in the older version new. Better quality would be a Mueller APT or APV.
you don't need lots of power either. Multigun competitors routinely make shots to 300 yards with nothing more than 1-4x24 tactical scopes on a .223 (I use a 1-6x24 on my 3-gun AR). But my competition AR15-22 normally only has a dual color reflex red dot sight on it. I do have a quick release mount with a 1.5-4.5x32 scope if needed. It is enough for my club's Metallic Silhouette match. For home defense a tactical shotgun is a much better choice.
LOL I am going to start a new TV show PIMP MY M&P 15 22
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I'd like to know who makes that small red dot sight mounted on the top. I couldn't find any mfg info on it.
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Unnecessary ... that's already a thread on this forum:

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Just my .02 cents, I'd stay away from mounting the flashlight on the scope.. Only mount a flashlight if your rifle is being used for tactical situations on the front rail for weak hand operation, like building searches, (22LR's aren't included in this kind of work). Keep the weight off the top of the rifle as much as possible. Seeing some scopes, Red Dot with all sorts of rails on the scope body to add lasers, flashlights, mini Red Dots.. Not good, the higher and taller, more chance of knocking it and causing the scope to be set off zero. Keep it simple, for the job at hand.. Good luck.
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Looks similar to Barska or NcSTAR.
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