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But, I am getting annoyed with people commenting on ammo selection with the MP15-22 and the MP22 pistol.

.22lr ammo is inexpensive in general compared to all other calibers. That is what attracts people to .22lr firearms. But there is this movement to put the cheapest possible ammo into a .22lr and that is how shooters are basing their values onto specific firearms. Yes, it is convenient to buy federal bulk or bulk Remington GB.I understand that part. But paying an extra few cents to buy quality .22lr ammunition really isn't spending an inordinate amount of money. Most people who own a semi-auto rim-fire weapon understand that semi-auto rim-fires can be a pain with what ammo will work best in a certain weapon. But whatever, most quality HV .22 will work in almost any firearm that will accept them.

Long story short, people who complain that a firearm is worthless because it doesn't take their Winchester bulk should be kicked. In other words, don't bad mouth my Smith and Wesson .22lr firearms.

As an aside- I commented in the MP Pistol section about the MP22 Pistol that running the cheapest ammo you can find is like going to a junkyard to buy tires for your race car.
 
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I dont think people here are complaining about the cost of the ammo but what kinds work well with their babies, mine likes federal bulk and CCI mini mags but hates Winchester, I haven't tried any others since I found two kinds she likes the federal bulk does have a few flyers but for the most part are decent shooting ammo which is why I personally use it and being cheaper is a bonus :cool:
 
GMC man said:
I dont think people here are complaining about the cost of the ammo but what kinds work well with their babies, mine likes federal bulk and CCI mini mags but hates Winchester, I haven't tried any others since I found two kinds she likes the federal bulk does have a few flyers but for the most part are decent shooting ammo which is why I personally use it and being cheaper is a bonus :cool:
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You mention a couple good points. However, people who don't understand this are casting a misinformed judgements. It has just boiled for me today.
 
You bring a good point to the 22LR table, but I look at it from this point of view. This forum, built for 22LR & the M&P 15/22, allows anyone to join who owns the M&P and shoot different kind of ammo, from beginners to intermediate to advance shooters. I think the questions asked and or comments posted coming from all kind of different levels of shooters is still good questions and thus the advance shooters on here can share their knowledge to get this new shooters up on their skills. In other words, "There are no dumb questions".. This is our chance to help bring these folks up to the level that all good shooters need to be. I hope that helps with your frustration, it helps me after laughing and biting my lip... so keepem coming...
 
Aceman58 said:
You bring a good point to the 22LR table, but I look at it from this point of view. This forum, built for 22LR & the M&P 15/22, allows anyone to join who owns the M&P and shoot different kind of ammo, from beginners to intermediate to advance shooters. I think the questions asked and or comments posted coming from all kind of different levels of shooters is still good questions and thus the advance shooters on here can share their knowledge to get this new shooters up on their skills. In other words, "There are no dumb questions".. This is our chance to help bring these folks up to the level that all good shooters need to be. I hope that helps with your frustration, it helps me after laughing and biting my lip... so keepem coming...
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I kind of feel like I just got scolded lol. But seriously, you are correct. I should look at it from a different point of view, what I didn't explain was that someone said if their MP22 didnt start to take federal bulk better, they wouldn't buy "expensive" ammo and would just start shooting their 9mm more. Ignoring that, many people who complain are experienced or just not as knowledgeable about .22lr.
 
I'm not cheap, and will spend what I need to, to get what I want. That said, I find it difficult to pay a penny more for something that doesn't give me anything more in return.

Right now, I'm buying pretty cheap ammo ($19-$20 for 525 rounds, Federal Champion), and actually it's not working out that well. So I'm considering CCI Tactical for about double the price. But I will not buy it, unless I see some improvement. Likewise, I refuse to buy any all lead rounds for my 15-22, as my experience, and others' recommendations, is to never shoot lead supersonic; I use lead in my subsonic pistol ammo, but that's it.

Anyhow, my norm is to figure out what I want, and then get the best price I can for it. That may sound cheap to you, and high to others, but it's me.

I doubt anyone here selects cheap ammo (or cheap ANYTHING) if they feel they aren't getting the expected performance from it.
 
I would not call the 15-22 a race car , more like a Camry . I bought the Performance Center , it is loads of fun and cheap to shoot but not accurate , which is supposed to be the selling point of the PC . I have shot bulk ammo and multiple high quality ammos . But I do feel I broke even with the 2 stage trigger and better stock . If you want accuracy , no failures and quality buy a high quality ar 15 ; shot less if your worried about ammo price and be happier with your rifle .
 
I buy Blazer bulk and have shot several thousand rounds without any issues. I guess I'm cheap and annoying. I couldn't care less. This is the internet.
 
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Honestly i understand you, my rifle shoots federal bulk 525 just as well as 31grn feddys and velocitors and the occasional viper.. i dont buy mass amounts i buy a 525 a a week or every other,
I have about 900 fed bulk rounds on hand, along with a hand full of remington vipers and federal 31grns, i plink with the bulk ammo along with squirrels, and i use the 1400+ fps stuff for possum and raccoon. The bulk stuff just dont hit as hard as the truncates cone.' Wadcutter' vipers do :)
 
Well I would consider myself a pretty green shooter. Ever since I've bought the m&p 15-22 I've pretty well gotten consumed by it. So far I've shot federal bulk and cci mini mags threw it and it's shot them both fine the mm seem to shoot a little bit tighter . I'm going to try some Winchester now because I saw another guys post that said he had better luck with them and it was on sale , since I've got three daughters with a fourth one on the way , cost plays into it for me .. On a side note my girls love shooting it too. :-) love the forum guys no jerks here!!!!
 
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I buy Blazer bulk and have shot several thousand rounds without any issues. I guess I'm cheap and annoying. I could care less. This is the internet.
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40g Blazer is all I have put through my MP 15-22, over 10K. Runs great, keep the BCG lubed and the breach face clean of carbon build up and it runs and runs....
 
The M&M 15-22 is not a cheap .22 rifle. There are several options out there that cost far less. Keeping that in mind, I choose to shoot a bit more costly ammo through mine. I started with CCI Tact ammo and was very happy. No issues with the bulk box. I then purchased a 525rnd box of Federal bulk and had three FTE and the gun was noticibly more dirty after using it.

Bottom line...if you want to put inferior fuel into your high performance sports car it will still run, and run very well most of the time. If you want consistence performance that is easier on the machine, spend a little more now and take comfort in the fact that you are putting a top quality product into a top quality machine. It's true...you get what you pay for. But sometimes you have to pay for what you get.
 
Crazykg85, don't worry, I feel your pain... Way to many folks think the 22lr is a toy and not really a weapon..... Many don't take that weapon serious and even laughed at me for purchasing the M&P 15/22... Comments like, "For another $200 you could of had a real AR15".. Worry not, I smile as my ammo budget stays full... The ammo is cheap and easy to get, some perform better than others. For me, even plinking or training, I like to use the best 22LR ammo to reduce jams, FTF and FTE but I still get a few once in a while, again the nature of the 22LR. And true each rifle handles different ammo differently, I was fortunate to receive a 15/22 that eats EVERYTHING including Remington, I guess mine was made on a Wed.... Keep up the good job..
 
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For $200 more you could have had a real AR, sure. But it probably wouldn't be a hard use gun, it would be a hobby gun.

Currently where I live 5.56mm, and bulk ammo at that, will run you around $1 per round. .22 will cost $0.06 per round.

Even with the cost of an M&P15/22, for a couple of crates of ammo I can literally shoot rimfire hundreds of times more than I can with my center fire guns. Is it exactly the same? No.

But it is close.

There is cheap .22 and there is cost effective .22. There is a difference.
 
Me, I don't do "plinking" per say. It is either matches or practice for matches. Sometimes instructing. For matches I use the best ammo the gun likes, which at this point is CCI-Tactical. Win M-22 works OK and it likes Fed 550 bulk so I practice with that when I can get it. It did not like Fed 525 Champion. Turns out they are sized a little longer than Fed 550 and my PC model's match chamber did not like that as well. As for the lead vs. copper clad issue it is a non-issue in .22 regardless of some opinions. The reason the lube is on the ammo is due to that. Once you put 5 rounds thru the barrel it won't matter. I have shot close to or over 15k rounds since I got the gun last July. I have never had to use solvent in the barrel and you should not either. I have only passed a boresnake thru the barrel about every 1-2 months if I get around to it. The only part I clean is the ignition area (bolt, breech, and feedramp) and only lube the rails. Other than that I just shoot it.
 
I appreciate all the responses, but I think I need to make a couple things clear.

I have no issues with bulk ammo from Federal, Remington or Winchester. However, some semi auto rimfires do. Some of the inconveniences of the bulk rounds include Fail To Feed, Fail To Fire, Fail To Eject and other magazine issues. This problem can be corrected by using a higher quality ammunition. My 15-22, whether clean or dirty, lubed or dry, does not eat bulk ammo well and instead of taking a negative stance toward the rifle I understand that this is just an issue with rim fire ammunition so I use HV non bulk ammo because realistically, it is still cheaper than buying a centerfire AR in 5.56.

The Issue I took up was the fact the there are some shooters who are cheap and think the extra .01 to .04 cents a round are not worth it and believe that this Rifle is not worthy of positive words. If your rifle will eat anything, Great! My only issue with that is jealousy!

Just thought I would take some time to clarify this thread.
 
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