I can't remember when I last saw 100 ct plastic cased ammo with the Federal logo on it. CCI yes but not federal.

The Federal Plant is just down the road from me. I know many people who have worked there over the years. Subgrade ammo gets sent to and snapped up in their company store as "seconds."

They can make over a milllion rounds of .22LR a day. Any inspection done on that qty is purely a sample based system.

The manufactured rounds don't go into a big bin and then gte packaged later, they go straight into boxes so its not a matter of converting a bin to a "lower" grade package later on. It would be a matter of emptying boxes...

The only other company I have seen use the plastic boxes was Winchester, back in the 80s. It was all match ammo, if I remember correctly. I still have 1k of Super Silhouette from those days.

I have always thought the plastic boxes were a waste of money on anything other than match ammo.

My experiences, and I'll admit they're not near as many as most on the forum, but has been that the LGS owner is still out to make money. If he gets more profit off the smaller boxes, it would stand to reason he would try by all means to get you to buy the smaller boxes. As honest as some LGS workers may seem, they are still in the business to make money. I take everything they say with this in mind. All except one that I've known for 15 years. Went to school with and was a friend before the shop opened.

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Ahh. So you admit that such process of elimination does in fact exist! I'm aware of the manufacturing processes of .22LR and I know that manufacturers produce an astronomical amount of ammo per day. And that EVERY round isn't checked and scrutinized. Any reference I made to measuring tolerances of each round was intended in the context of the purchaser, not the manufacturer. Federal obviously has a very good OC process as their ammo is top shelf material, regardless of the grade produced. Thanks everyone for contributing to my education. Hopefully there were no profound use of explatives for describing "That Guy..."

"That's the sound of me eatin' crow, people." -BTR

im callin BS on this--100rds thats like one potatoe chip!

I would guess that the bulk stuff uses cheaper components, too. That would account for the round by round differences that you see. Premium loads typically look better.

Most of the stuff that gets into the seconds category (so I'm told) is when someone mis-adjusts a machine and a slight amount of extra powder or slightly too little powder gets into the round. The amount is still safe but the round doesn't fall into the published spec. OR maybe the machine is mis-adjusted to where the cases get dented/scratched or the bullet is slightly deformed or gouged. When the sample shows that, the entire lot is set aside. They are moving past way too fast for a person to visually inspect each round.

(A few years ago, there was a problem with one of the very popular handgun rounds having the incorrect amount of powder. As the result some new equipment as installed that actually weighed each individual round at very high speed, something on the order of 10+ rounds per second...)

I've "received" some of that seconds stuff, at an incredible discount; my paper targets have always been terminated.

If I get lucky enough to get the "seconds" stuff, I visually inspect each and every round. (Never got any rimfire rounds , just centerfire handgun ammo) Everything I've ever found seems to be pretty much cosmetic. I did have about 3 rounds once that seemed to have harder primers or perhaps deeper set primers to where they did't fire on the first strike.

Couldn't tell if I ended up with rounds that were out of spec performance wise cuz I don't have a Chronograph.

AND, most important of all, based on how often they have seconds available, they must have their process pretty well in check cuz compared to the number of rounds they can build in a day, the amount of seconds is pretty minor.

There ain't no way, no how, they could be supplying all the sellers of ammo enough premium drop outs to keep 'em supplied with the amount of bulk rounds sold in a year.

Would love to get about 10 of the Federal 550 Bulk boxes at the $15 each price again.. Nostalgia, I'm afraid.

Remington has them as well


Several of the Remington .22 loads come in that type plastic box.

Interesting. All the Remington I ever saw/bought was in 50-round paper boxes.

This is my new tidbit for the day.

Federal Game Shok 40 grainer's come in a plastic 100 round box. They are my most accurate round for my Savage bolt gun and my go to squirrel load...