m&p 15-22

bobermo said:
Your bolt assembly should slide easily out the back of the upper. Test the slide action of the bolt/rails. Hopefully the rails didnt get damaged and it's something simple.
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Mine doesn't. When it goes in the upper it clicks into place and to get it out requires a little bit of grunt. This is even after how many strip downs.

I may be doing something wrong, but the first time I did it I followed the manual to the T. I still do it like that.

KBK
 
yzf128r said:
Sounds to me that the gun counter at academy did the installs.
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No, he clearly said "his gunsmith". There are no gunsmiths at Academy.

"HAD THEM INSTALLED BY MY GUNSMITH AT THE ARMS ROOM."

This isn't a S&W fault, or an Academy fault. I'm still leaning towards operator error.
 
yzf128r said:
Sounds to me that the gun counter at academy did the installs. If they were able to put a different charging handle on it, then its obvious that the bolt functioned properly prior to someone monkeying with it. The bolt had to come out of the upper in order to install a new charging handle. Either way the OP has no right to bad mouth S&W. He needs to point the finger in the right direction and confront the guy that installed these parts. Maybe there is a lesson to be learned here, its always a good idea to know who's working on your firearms, and to test the fit, form and function of firearms prior to installing upgrades or letting anyone "work" on it.
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A perfect example of the need, especially for first-time firearms owners, to thoroughly read the owner's manual and familiarize themselves with the firearm's operation before ever firing the first shot and especially before making an changes in the factory setup of the firearm.

As has been said, there are an abundance of videos available on this forum and on YouTube to help with this.

I've never understood the urge to immediately start changing things before familiarizing one's self with the firearm. Reminds me of the new amateur radio operators that buy a radio, and before even getting on the air, want to know what mods are available for the radio. This particularly affects new VHF operators. :)
 
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Kayback said:
Mine doesn't. When it goes in the upper it clicks into place and to get it out requires a little bit of grunt. This is even after how many strip downs.

I may be doing something wrong, but the first time I did it I followed the manual to the T. I still do it like that.

KBK
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Yes, it should click into place, but pulling the charging handle out a little should pop the BCG out past the click zone and it's supposed to move freely out after. Maybe there's something keeping the BCG rails from moving smoothly?
 
Gopher Slayer said:
I bet the "gunsmith" rotated the barrel when removing the flash hider for your barrel shroud installation. I'll bet 100 rounds of Remington .22lr.:p

That would cause some major binding issues.

Post some detailed pics.
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^This. It would explain why the round was left in the chamber, as well as why the bolt won't go forward. If you send it to S&W, they will probably charge you to repair/replace it. I wonder how much experience you gunsmith has had with removing flash hiders from 15-22's...
 
cyphertext said:
No, he clearly said "his gunsmith". There are no gunsmiths at Academy.

"HAD THEM INSTALLED BY MY GUNSMITH AT THE ARMS ROOM."

This isn't a S&W fault, or an Academy fault. I'm still leaning towards operator error.
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Gotcha. There are no academy sports stores in my area, so I was figuring they had a gun counter with some makeshift armorer like some similar stores in my area.
 
Jyezahn said:
Yes, it should click into place, but pulling the charging handle out a little should pop the BCG out past the click zone and it's supposed to move freely out after. Maybe there's something keeping the BCG rails from moving smoothly?
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Ok, all is right then, it just took more force to get it past the click than I was expecting and everyone else was talking like it just slides out ala a real AR-15. It moves nice and freely once it has clicked, but the first time it clicked I thought I'd snapped something :)
 
First of all, this is not the first AR I have owned or own. Charging handle came from Plinker Tactical and is designed for the M&P 15-22. The gunsmith I've been using has been in this profession for 15+ yrs. This is not the first time I've heard of this with this rifle. I talked to someone at S&W and he informed me that it would be best to send it back to them.
Just a very strange situation. I'm the proud ower of many S&W firearms including the M&P 15 in a .223 and various other manufacturers of the AR platforms.
 
flcreds said:
First of all, this is not the first AR I have owned or own. Charging handle came from Plinker Tactical and is designed for the M&P 15-22. The gunsmith I've been using has been in this profession for 15+ yrs. This is not the first time I've heard of this with this rifle. I talked to someone at S&W and he informed me that it would be best to send it back to them.
Just a very strange situation. I'm the proud ower of many S&W firearms including the M&P 15 in a .223 and various other manufacturers of the AR platforms.
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It's the first time I've heard of anything like this. Something just doesn't add up. If the bolt was able to be removed in order to put a new charging handle on it, then why is it stuck now? I think someone hit the nail on the head earlier. I would be willing to bet that the charging handle was installed first and everything was working fine, then the flash hider was removed without the use of a barrel vise and the barrel twisted in the upper receiver causing the ejector to rotate. Now the hook on the ejector is hooked on the edge of the channel on the bottom of the bolt. I bet if you look up the magwell that's what's happening. Can you take a picture of the inside of the magwell? Either way this is not an S&W related issue, so don't be surprised if they charge you for the repairs. If your "armorer" has 15+ years of experience then he should be able to figure this out and fix it. Like I said, look up the magwell and you'll probably see the problem.
 
flcreds said:
First of all, this is not the first AR I have owned or own. Charging handle came from Plinker Tactical and is designed for the M&P 15-22. The gunsmith I've been using has been in this profession for 15+ yrs. This is not the first time I've heard of this with this rifle. I talked to someone at S&W and he informed me that it would be best to send it back to them.
Just a very strange situation. I'm the proud ower of many S&W firearms including the M&P 15 in a .223 and various other manufacturers of the AR platforms.
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Understood...

but even the most experienced gunsmith in the world can **** up a 15-22 if they treat it like an AR15 and don't examine or research how the barrel mounts to the polymer receiver.

We've seen this before.



Did you test for function before handing it over to someone who may void your warranty. If so, did it bind then?
 
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Not to belabor the point, OP, but the 15-22 is a AR style firearm, not an AR. the only operational parts that are interchangeable is the FCG. The BCG has no parts in common and the barrel does not attach to the upper in the same manner. Anyone who tries to treat the 15-22 as an AR is going to have problems.

Every example of this problem you are having has been caused by someone chucking the upper in a vice and twisting on the barrel, muzzle brake, flash hider, etc. This is guaranteed to twist the barrel in the upper and trash the barrel mount, necessitating a replacement of the upper, at least. More if the bolt carrier was damaged, too. Sure does sound like that's what your gunsmith did.

I think it's amazing that S&W handle this obvious operator/gunsmith error as a warranty issue instead of charging for a new upper (and whatever else is necessary) and labor charges. That's what they should do, IMHO.
 
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