Thinking of getting an integral suppressor.

So I've been thinking of getting an integral suppressor for my 15-22. I'd prefer an integral one over a can so I can shoot normal velocity 22lr as I have lots of it.

Innovative Arms makes an integral suppressor and you can send them your upper, but the costs involved aren't for the faint of heart and you still have to get a tax stamp.

Still, having a suppressed 22 would allow me to be able to shoot in my backyard and it would be sweet to own one. Does anyone have one? Lastly, is there still a benefit of creating a trust?

I would like to have a supressor but currently do not. It is my understanding that you need subsonic ammo because it doesn't break the sound barrier and thus does not make that crack sound. If standard velocity ammo is used with any suppressor it still will make that crack sound because it is still traveling faster than the speed of sound.
A integral suppressor may be harder to clean. From what I have read 22lr ammo will gunk up a suppressor quick so the easier it is to clean the better, like SS parts and separate chambers.

Yes and yes,,,,,

I have both and HIGHLY recommend going with a thread on muzzle unit for your first can....

Integrals tend to be more ammo finicky than a muzzle can.... especially on a semi auto..... they are typically tuned for a specific name brand ammo (cci stinger in my case) and can be a little less reliable with other brands/loads...... plus they cost much more (if done correctly), and really don't show their full potential on anything other than a bolt action rifle.

Shop around, but I usually recommend a Huntertown Arms Guardian to start off with ... these retail between 150-200 dollars (plus the $200 tax of course) and are a great value for the money in new suppressors..... Of course, you can get upgrade such as SS baffles ( I prefer aluminum, but i clean my cans completely after each use) or better known companies for a price.... you will, in the 6-9 month wait to get your stamp back, have plenty of time to get your barrels threaded, and a muzzle device will allow you to suppress various guns with one tax....


As for a trust.... the big benefit is that more than one person can possess the item.... (if you do it as I do, individually, only YOU may posses it, so your wife, child, buddy etc can never have it outside your supervision) the trust will let others on it share possession and sale rights to the item (same for incorporation). The problem with a trust is that they may or may not move state to state conveniently.... as an individual, you can file a form to allow you to relocate, as long as the new state allows the devices.

As for the backyard.... they aint that quiet.... if you cannot freely and legally shoot an unsuppressed 22 in your back yard, you are taking a chance with a suppressed one.... most are about as loud as an adult air rifle, and still count as "discharge of a firearm" as far as the law goes..... plus if you get a cop that docent understand the legality of the suppressor (unfortunately quite a few don't) you are in for a rough time....

good luck in your quest, try out the sites below for more info!

Jim

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Bowers Group LLC's Suppressor Page

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Rundover is right about cleaning..... my integral allows me to take off the end cap, and using a coat hanger "hook" pull out the baffles to clean, then use a shotgun mop to clean the tube.... my separates are MUCH easier to keep tidy.... $.02

Integrals are very cool and can be made to be the quietest of quiet.

On the other hand, if the goal is to shoot HV suppressed cutting down the barrel to 4in is another option. Unlike an integral, a regular suppressor can be used on all your other 22s. And THAT is the problem. Once you start shooting suppressed you won't want to shoot anything else!

The advantage of a trust is others being allowed to have possession of the can and inheriting the can without having to transfer and tax stamp again. The current big advantage is you can e-file a trust and get a stamp a lot quicker.

ChattanoogaPhil said:

The advantage of a trust is others being allowed to have possession of the can and inheriting the can without having to transfer and tax stamp again. The current big advantage is you can e-file a trust and get a stamp a lot quicker.

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NFA Form 5 (tax exempt transfer of an NFA item) allows you to transfer an NFA item to a LAWFUL HEIR without paying a tax.

I have an Innovative Arms 15 22 SBR with integral suppressor. It’s awesome.
Its shoots the cheap federal .22s with no problems. Subsonic rounds should not be used.
It comes apart for easy cleaning the integral will keep your overall length down vs a screw on.

The biggest benefit of a trust for me is the police chief doesn’t need to sign it. And in a city with a police chief who won’t sign any applications, a trust is the only way you’ll get one.

sithlord said:

NFA Form 5 (tax exempt transfer of an NFA item) allows you to transfer an NFA item to a LAWFUL HEIR without paying a tax.

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This is true, but the NFA item(s) are held in the trustee's possession until a tax stamp returns to the heir..... they waive the tax, but not the wait....

If your heirs are on the trust with you, the trust owns the items, not the individual.... no transfer needed at all....

agree with all the above and not going to restate, but the trust and a Guardian user serviceable is the way to go for your first can. they made them so they would be less than the stamp, that was their goal. very quiet and i shoot in my garage.

the AAC Pilot II on it's dedicated 15-22 host, all you hear is the bolt, which is substantially less than an 'adult BB gun'. i have a Anshutz pellet rifle that sounds like a normal .22 going off!

if you have pests in your backyard, say squirrels, gophers etc, then a bolt action with a can and CB caps will make short work of them. won't cycle a semi but you can hand cycle them. it is a big no-no to even shoot a BB gun within certain city limits in AZ although they passed a law 2 years ago that we can hunt within city limits.......???

Looks like Florida is going to pass a law that says you can have backyard gun ranges!!!!

jbarchitect68 said:

I have an Innovative Arms 15 22 SBR with integral suppressor. It’s awesome.
Its shoots the cheap federal .22s with no problems. Subsonic rounds should not be used.
It comes apart for easy cleaning the integral will keep your overall length down vs a screw on.

The biggest benefit of a trust for me is the police chief doesn’t need to sign it. And in a city with a police chief who won’t sign any applications, a trust is the only way you’ll get one.

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Good news! While I know a can would be cheaper, I also know that a can is best suited to subsonic ammo, which I have none of nor any desire to start buying.

As far as being quite goes, I think the IA suppressor will fit the bill:

Innovative Arms Integral S&W 15-22 - YouTube
Integral M&P 15-22 select fire - YouTube

Just so I'm clear on the steps, I need to set up the trust first and foremost. IA says I can send them the upper whenever I want and that it'll take 5-7 weeks to have it ready to send back to my dealer, but that I'll need a tax stamp in order for them to release it to me.
Should set up the trust and efile the tax stamp before sending the upper?

So you are planning on buying another 15-22 with integral suppressor (over $1000, not including stamp) as opposed to just a can... simply because you don't want to buy subsonic ammo? And by doing so, not have the opportunity to share the suppressor between other rimfires?

Do you realize how much subsonic ammo you could buy for what you are gonna pay? I too shoot on my own property (20 acres, not in my backyard) and would hate to think I was limited to just one gun. I don't have a huge stash of guns but I do so love shooting my 15-22, CZ 455 & 2 Buck Marks suppressed on my own land.

Of course it your decision, but you asked. I think it a bad decision to limit a suppressor, which is expensive & not easy to get, to just one gun. As stated, if you want to shoot high velocity, just get another stamp for the SBR. It will be cheaper in the long run & you will have lots of flexibility.

I don't doubt SBR is in my future.

TheMaineEvent said:

Just so I'm clear on the steps, I need to set up the trust first and foremost. IA says I can send them the upper whenever I want and that it'll take 5-7 weeks to have it ready to send back to my dealer, but that I'll need a tax stamp in order for them to release it to me.
Should set up the trust and efile the tax stamp before sending the upper?

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First off, YOU can't eFile a form 4 (request to transfer an NFA item). Only your DEALER can do that.

So, send off your upper. In the 5-7 weeks that it takes IA to convert it, you can get your trust. When your dealer gets it back (which may take another 2-3 months, as this should be a DEALER to DEALER transfer of an NFA item, which is an NFA FORM 3), then they can submit the form 4 using your trust.

Your Form 4 cannot be submitted until your dealer has the upper in their hands. You might see if IA will submit the Form 4, which would save you 2-3 months. If they will, then you will have about 5-7 weeks to get your trust and have it notarized.

You might also check with IA to see if their 5-7 week 'wait time' includes the Form 3, dealer to dealer transfer, or if they are just backlogged that much.

RedNeck Jim said:

So you are planning on buying another 15-22 with integral suppressor (over $1000, not including stamp) as opposed to just a can... simply because you don't want to buy subsonic ammo? And by doing so, not have the opportunity to share the suppressor between other rimfires?

Do you realize how much subsonic ammo you could buy for what you are gonna pay? I too shoot on my own property (20 acres, not in my backyard) and would hate to think I was limited to just one gun. I don't have a huge stash of guns but I do so love shooting my 15-22, CZ 455 & 2 Buck Marks suppressed on my own land.

Of course it your decision, but you asked. I think it a bad decision to limit a suppressor, which is expensive & not easy to get, to just one gun. As stated, if you want to shoot high velocity, just get another stamp for the SBR. It will be cheaper in the long run & you will have lots of flexibility.

I don't doubt SBR is in my future.

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That's just it. As soon as you you start shooting suppressed with an integral you're going to want to shoot suppressed with your other 22s too, so you're going to be buying a can anyway... .

For anyone just starting out, I would recommend a can first, then consider integral on a gun by gun basis.

As far as subsonic ammo... rimfire supressors are becoming MUCH more popular than ever before. Ammo manufactures are responding with manufacturing and marketing "Suppressor" ammo, just like the 45gr Federal I picked up recently. I think we're going to see more of it, just like the Wichester 42gr subsonic I bought a couple weeks ago a Sportsmans Warehouse. When the ammo situation loosens up, as it seems to be headed in tat direction, I expect to see more of it at lower prices.

RedNeck Jim said:

So you are planning on buying another 15-22 with integral suppressor (over $1000, not including stamp) as opposed to just a can... simply because you don't want to buy subsonic ammo? And by doing so, not have the opportunity to share the suppressor between other rimfires?

Do you realize how much subsonic ammo you could buy for what you are gonna pay? I too shoot on my own property (20 acres, not in my backyard) and would hate to think I was limited to just one gun. I don't have a huge stash of guns but I do so love shooting my 15-22, CZ 455 & 2 Buck Marks suppressed on my own land.

Of course it your decision, but you asked. I think it a bad decision to limit a suppressor, which is expensive & not easy to get, to just one gun. As stated, if you want to shoot high velocity, just get another stamp for the SBR. It will be cheaper in the long run & you will have lots of flexibility.

I don't doubt SBR is in my future.

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While I understand the attraction of being able to switch a can from one gun to another, I really only plan on having my current 15-22 suppressed, and it won't be an SBR. I can have a full length integral suppressor installed. I'm not buying another 15-22. That would be too expensive.

For me, I want my rifle suppressed for all types of ammo. While it helps that I can shoot the ammo I have on hand, which is substantial, without having to buy subsonic.

From what I can tell, an integral suppressor makes it so you essentially only hear the action. I like that. A lot.

I don't have another 22 that I would even consider suppressing. If I did I'd go with a can in a heartbeat, but where I don't I'm far more inclined to go with an integral suppressor over a can.

TheMaineEvent said:

I don't have another 22 that I would even consider suppressing. If I did I'd go with a can in a heartbeat, but where I don't I'm far more inclined to go with an integral suppressor over a can.

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Then I predict you'll be buying other .22 guns very soon.

Just a word of caution.... I don't know of anyone who just owns one .22 to shoot suppressed. Everyone I know ends up with an addiction to suppressed plinking.

ChattanoogaPhil said:

Then I predict you'll be buying other .22 guns very soon.

Just a word of caution.... I don't know of anyone who just owns one .22 to shoot suppressed. Everyone I know ends up with an addiction to suppressed plinking.

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I don't think that's limited to .22. I've got 2 suppressors in jail (22 sparrow and a SAS Reaper for a 300BLK), and an SBR (the 300 BLK). Haven't fired a single round suppressed yet.

Just having submitted an NFA item is a gateway drug to other NFA items.

TheMaineEvent said:

For me, I want my rifle suppressed for all types of ammo. While it helps that I can shoot the ammo I have on hand, which is substantial, without having to buy subsonic.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the barrel length the same with an integrally suppressed 15-22 & a SBR 15-22 with can attached? Only advantage of the integrally suppressed is one form. But with the SBR, you get the ability to shoot your high velocity stash plus still have flexibility of multi-gun usage. I understand right now you PLAN on not sharing, but plans change. Especially consider that with a trust, multiple people can share the suppressor & maybe they will one day want to shoot other guns suppressed. Point is, a good suppressor is a lifetime + purchase, that multiple people can use... if not purchased as an individual.

TheMaineEvent said:

From what I can tell, an integral suppressor makes it so you essentially only hear the action. I like that. A lot.

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That is the nature of shooting suppressed. With my Sparrow, that is all I hear. You will be surprised how loud the action actually is during shooting. You hear it more than others, as your head is touching the gun. On my bolt action, I hear much less than that. Main thing I hear on it is the hammer. Sounds like a BB gun.

sithlord said:

I don't think that's limited to .22. I've got 2 suppressors in jail (22 sparrow and a SAS Reaper for a 300BLK), and an SBR (the 300 BLK). Haven't fired a single round suppressed yet.

Just having submitted an NFA item is a gateway drug to other NFA items.

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Oh I've fired a round or two through my two cans.

15-22, Ruger 22/45, Sig522 SWAT, Savage FV-SR, Ruger MKIII Talo

RedNeck Jim said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the barrel length the same with an integrally suppressed 15-22 & a SBR 15-22 with can attached? Only advantage of the integrally suppressed is one form. But with the SBR, you get the ability to shoot your high velocity stash plus still have flexibility of multi-gun usage.

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With IA you have two options. You can go with a 16.25" barrel or a 4.5" barrel.

You all bring up some good points, and this isn't a decision that should be made hastily since a lot of money is involved.

I still lean towards integral over can, but will put some more thought into this before making a decision.

TME:I received my IA 11/13 and it is as quiet as the video, with fed supersonic ammo. After speaking to them you now realize that the MSRP is not the cost. Mine is a 10" barrel and you can shoot "supersonic" ammo, since the suppressor is integral it is not an BSR and therefore only requires one stamp. As for twist on cans: yes you will want others eventually- ( and both views have been presented [ inexpensive first can vs higher quality " lifetime" ] , both are valid but opposite. a stamp costs 200$ no matter if the can costs 200 or 2000. Subsonic ammo was more expensive here and is not as quiet out of a suppressed 16" vs the IA, I have compared them side by side, and the IA is easy enough to clean. I would make a vid of the IA shooting except it would be the same as theirs. PM me if you have specific questions. Be Safe.