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I wanna suppress my 15-22 just cause. I don't want the targets to know I'm coming.

Recommend me a good multi caliber suppressor? And does it effect ammo choices? Any cons to putting one on?


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You definitely need to check out the Silencerco Stainless steel sparrow II. About $400 retail. Standard .5x28 threads. It disassembles in seconds for thorough cleaning. Other brands may be a little cheaper, but a suppressor is essentially a lifetime purchase for most of us. Your heirs can pay the $5 transfer fee when you die.

I was seriously considering buying another brand until a LGS salesman put one in my hand to look at. That was it. The decision was made instantly to spend the extra $75 more than my original budget.

It is multi caliber and full auto rated.
 
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I would suggest that if you have a way of getting to hear different cans on your gun that would be the best. Price wise silencer shop in TX has the best prices online and work with dealers all over the country. What state are you in? I am slightly prejudiced towards the Liberty Yukon TL, light , quiet, take apart, excellent technology, warranty , service, price. That said I also sell them. Some people will suggest Silencerco sparrow, or spectre II,, gem tech outback,liberty essence, Innovative arms Apex. There are others that I can not comment on since I have not used them. But I have compared the 6 above at the ( same time, temp,barometric pressure, location), using 15-22,10-22,marlin papoose, ruger MKIII, SW 2206. I used sub sonic cci + rem, standard vel, and fed and win HV ( 1250 fps) . The results were that subs were quieter than HV, standard were close to HV sound. ALL exhibited FRP at some time during testing, depending on time between shots and ammo, very variable. The liberty Yukon TL, on a 16" 15-22 with CCI quiet were the quietest, based on my ears and the 4 other people involved. You can pay more or less but you cannot get more quiet. If you consider an integral, Innovative arms firing Fed bulk HV is the quietest of any and all. You only hear the action noise, check out their video, I would make a video but I could not do it better, I have been shooting mine nearly 1.5-2 yrs and cleaning is simple. All of the above are rated for 22 lr, 22 mag, 17's and a few others. You stated "multi caliber" not sure what you mean, you do not use a centerfire can that you can not take apart with "dirty"22 lr. Be Safe,
 
If you do buy a suppressor, start buying your ammo now!!! It may take you a year to find a decent supply. CCI Quiet ammo at 710FPS will not cycle most automatics. However, it is dead silent on the gun end. You will only hear the action trying to cycle and the steel target being hit. You will learn to love steel targets.
If you can find CCI ammo in the 1000-1050fps range buy it too. It will most likely cycle the action and still be very quiet.

Colibri is very good ammo but very few small LGS carry it. You will need to look online. They have multiple versions all suitable for suppressors.
 
vipermd said:
All of the above are rated for 22 lr, 22 mag, 17's and a few others. You stated "multi caliber" not sure what you mean, you do not use a centerfire can that you can not take apart with "dirty"22 lr. Be Safe,
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My guess was "multi-caliber" meant not 22LR only, like an all aluminum can would most likely be. He rather have one that handles 17HMR, 22Mag, maybe even 5.7x28. But...who knows?

If I had to recommend one can, I'd say the Silencerco Spectre II. You can buy other cans to fill in gaps/niches down the road. Between approved and pending, I have 3 Spectres, 2 Warlocks and a Sparrow.

The AAC Element 2 and the Surefire Ryder 22A, plus the soon to be released Dead Air Mask 22, would all be on my potential list...but only after buying a Spectre II.

Now...if the OP was trying to buy one can to do everything, that's just a bad idea. The Liberty Mystic and Mystic X is as close as it comes to a do-it-all can. Then, there are some user-serviceable pistol cans like the SiCo Octane and the Griffin Armament Revolution, that would keep the lead off the tubes...but they're way bigger/heavier than a dedicated rimfire can.
 
For multi caliber check out the liberty mystic x, 9mm, 22lr, 300blk, 223 over 50 calibers tested last time I looked. Maybe not as good as a dedicated 22 can but it offers the best flexibility.
 
vipermd said:
I would suggest that if you have a way of getting to hear different cans on your gun that would be the best. Price wise silencer shop in TX has the best prices online and work with dealers all over the country. What state are you in? I am slightly prejudiced towards the Liberty Yukon TL, light , quiet, take apart, excellent technology, warranty , service, price. That said I also sell them. Some people will suggest Silencerco sparrow, or spectre II,, gem tech outback,liberty essence, Innovative arms Apex. There are others that I can not comment on since I have not used them. But I have compared the 6 above at the ( same time, temp,barometric pressure, location), using 15-22,10-22,marlin papoose, ruger MKIII, SW 2206. I used sub sonic cci + rem, standard vel, and fed and win HV ( 1250 fps) . The results were that subs were quieter than HV, standard were close to HV sound. ALL exhibited FRP at some time during testing, depending on time between shots and ammo, very variable. The liberty Yukon TL, on a 16" 15-22 with CCI quiet were the quietest, based on my ears and the 4 other people involved. You can pay more or less but you cannot get more quiet. If you consider an integral, Innovative arms firing Fed bulk HV is the quietest of any and all. You only hear the action noise, check out their video, I would make a video but I could not do it better, I have been shooting mine nearly 1.5-2 yrs and cleaning is simple. All of the above are rated for 22 lr, 22 mag, 17's and a few others. You stated "multi caliber" not sure what you mean, you do not use a centerfire can that you can not take apart with "dirty"22 lr. Be Safe,
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I'm located in TN. Lots of info in this post


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gordon21 said:
If you do buy a suppressor, start buying your ammo now!!! It may take you a year to find a decent supply. CCI Quiet ammo at 710FPS will not cycle most automatics. However, it is dead silent on the gun end. You will only hear the action trying to cycle and the steel target being hit. You will learn to love steel targets.

If you can find CCI ammo in the 1000-1050fps range buy it too. It will most likely cycle the action and still be very quiet.



Colibri is very good ammo but very few small LGS carry it. You will need to look online. They have multiple versions all suitable for suppressors.
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So can you run supersonic ammo still just without the quietness of subsonic?


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BigWaylon said:
My guess was "multi-caliber" meant not 22LR only, like an all aluminum can would most likely be. He rather have one that handles 17HMR, 22Mag, maybe even 5.7x28. But...who knows?



If I had to recommend one can, I'd say the Silencerco Spectre II. You can buy other cans to fill in gaps/niches down the road. Between approved and pending, I have 3 Spectres, 2 Warlocks and a Sparrow.



The AAC Element 2 and the Surefire Ryder 22A, plus the soon to be released Dead Air Mask 22, would all be on my potential list...but only after buying a Spectre II.



Now...if the OP was trying to buy one can to do everything, that's just a bad idea. The Liberty Mystic and Mystic X is as close as it comes to a do-it-all can. Then, there are some user-serviceable pistol cans like the SiCo Octane and the Griffin Armament Revolution, that would keep the lead off the tubes...but they're way bigger/heavier than a dedicated rimfire can.
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I was wondering if their was one that would work on my .22 and .223. I would probably just end up buying one for each.


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68sixspeed said:
For multi caliber check out the liberty mystic x, 9mm, 22lr, 300blk, 223 over 50 calibers tested last time I looked. Maybe not as good as a dedicated 22 can but it offers the best flexibility.
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Maybe I should just buy me a MP22 pistol and swap my suppressor from rifle to pistol [emoji2]


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All of these 22 cans are gonna be quiet so don't get all hung up on which is quieter.

Beyond that, the Sparrow had everything I was looking for. It is made by a great company with great service. It is made of stainless, so it is tough & able to go in the dip for cleaning. From all reviews I have read, its clam shell design is the easiest to take apart for cleaning... no matter how dirty the can gets. No tools needed... just unscrew the endcap and separate the 2 shells from the monocore.

To me durability & ease of cleaning is the most important aspect of any rimfire can. 22lr is dirty & will crud up a suppressor rather quickly. Because of that, please don't try to use a centerfire can with 22lr. Most centerfire cans are not user serviceable for a reason... that ammo is clean. Rimfire cans are mostly user serviceable for the opposite reason... rimfire ammo is very dirty.

Get a dedicated rimfire can then get something else for other calibers. I have a Saker 7.62 in jail for my 300 Blackout & .223 use.

This page might help:
Picking the right rimfire suppressor
 
bburnette252 said:
So can you run supersonic ammo still just without the quietness of subsonic?
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You can definitely shoot supers through a can. You'll reduce/eliminate the noise at the muzzle, but you still have two other main sources of noise that a suppressor doesn't touch: (1) the action of the firearm and (2) the sonic crack.

Depending on the host, a lot of popular ammo will be subsonic even if not sold as subsonic. Any barrel <5" will keep most bulk pack subsonic. So, most 22 handguns will be fairly quiet. I have a 15-22 with a 4.5" barrel, and it keeps most everything subsonic.

This video is 9mm ammo, but it'll give you an idea of the difference in shooting subs and supers through a suppressor. The magazine is loaded with a rotation of 115gr, 124gr and 147gr ammo. The 147gr is the only subsonic. Notice there's not a huge difference unsuppressed...but with the suppressor it goes bang, bang, click, bang, bang, click.

http://youtu.be/wNnv4IzBSCk

And then this one is standard bulk pack ammo through an M&P 22...no sonic crack.

http://youtu.be/I3mtoTOYrSM
 
BigWaylon said:
You can definitely shoot supers through a can. You'll reduce/eliminate the noise at the muzzle, but you still have two other main sources of noise that a suppressor doesn't touch: (1) the action of the firearm and (2) the sonic crack.



Depending on the host, a lot of popular ammo will be subsonic even if not sold as subsonic. Any barrel <5" will keep most bulk pack subsonic. So, most 22 handguns will be fairly quiet. I have a 15-22 with a 4.5" barrel, and it keeps most everything subsonic.



This video is 9mm ammo, but it'll give you an idea of the difference in shooting subs and supers through a suppressor. The magazine is loaded with a rotation of 115gr, 124gr and 147gr ammo. The 147gr is the only subsonic. Notice there's not a huge difference unsuppressed...but with the suppressor it goes bang, bang, click, bang, bang, click.



http://youtu.be/wNnv4IzBSCk



And then this one is standard bulk pack ammo through an M&P 22...no sonic crack.



http://youtu.be/I3mtoTOYrSM
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Sweet videos. Good representation. That's answers a lot of questions. Sounds like a pellet gun!


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bburnette252: I had forgot to mention the Mystic or Mystic X which is a multi-caliber can. It is on the heavy side for a 22 lr but is great on a glock 17, basically only action noise with 158 gr Fiocchi 9 mm. To be honest I have not even tried it on 223/30 blk/308 since I use a Torch/Chaotic/Freedom on those calibers respectively, each was "designed" for that cal, you can hear the difference on a bolt gun, on a semi or select fire the 30 cal Freedom will do it all, just different tone. I do not have the equipment to measure the sound nor can my "ear" discern 1-3 decibels difference. Also a note about the video's they were shot inside, so you are getting sound reflected back from walls, ceiling, floor, outside you would only hear the action and would seem even quieter. The true pleasure is being able to go out and shoot without ears, obviously there are exceptions, but 22 lr that most people are going to shoot the most of are hearing safe. Enjoy. Be Safe,
 
I did my research and ended up with a SilencerCo Sparrow. Unfortunately (?) the ATF approved my stamp about two months faster than expected, and I don't have anything threaded yet. I just filed the form 1 to SBR my 15-22; in the meantime I'll be sending out a couple other things for barrel work.
 
The only thing I would add to what has already been said is that buying a can is a lifetime purchase. Once you buy it, it's yours. There is not much of a market for used rimfire cans. You'll pay $200 just for a tax stamp. Choose wisely. After doing your research, buy the can you want the most regardless of price. Selecting a can just because it is cheaper than the one you really want is a mistake you'll regret. That said, the cheapest can might well fit your needs. A guy who rarely uses a can other than for pest control around the house might be just fine with an all aluminum $200 can. A high volume shooter would be better served with a $400 titanium or stainless can. In any case, it's not a bad idea to err on the more expensive.

I've got a YHM Wraith and a Silencerco Sparrow. They both have strong and weak points. There is no "best" can. For example, Viper is right about Liberty making very quiet rimfire cans. They are also among the largest (longest). With suppression, size (volume) matters. More volume, more slowing and cooling of gasses, quieter. Some folks prefer more compact size. Weight, size, design, materials... it's all a matter of compromises and costs.

Enjoy the hunt.

ps SilencerShop are great folks to deal with.
 
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ChattanoogaPhil said:
A high volume shooter would be better served with a $400 titanium or stainless can. In any case, it's not a bad idea to err on the more expensive.
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I live in a country where suppressors aren't controlled. The actual firearm is. It takes 3 months of government paper work to buy a gun but you can walk into a shop and buy a suppressor over the counter.

Listen to Chattanooga. What he is saying here is gospel. I've used various cans from the old Parker Hayle style through custom made steel and aluminium fixed suppressors. The most effective one I own is one I made myself with plastic spacers and washers in a stripped out Airsoft suppressor.

I can't get a SilencerCo or Gemtech on here because ITAR. But if you are stuck purchasing what is essentially a life time investment, buy a good one.

Just be advised I've had a silencer manufacturer warn a multi caliber can used to shoot .22's through detonated the next time they used it on a center fire rifle. The cause was unburnt .22 propellant building up in the can being ignited by the center fire muzzle flash.

KBK
 
Take a look at the Tactical Solutions AXIOM titanium. Stacked baffle with stainless liner and is rated for full auto 5.7 FN.

I'm in a NFA trust with a guy who has ten cans two of which are .22s. One is the above mentioned Sparrow and I can't remember the other. All are about as quiet but the one thing I noticed about the AXIOM is that there has been no first round "pop" like there is with the other cans.

I use the AXIOM on a S&W 422 pistol, CZ 452 17" American, Armalite AR7, SPIKE'S Tactical .22 Upper and a Marlin stainless .22 Magnum....has been excellent on all guns and the accuracy is as good if not better using the suppressor...

Marlin...





AR7







CZ 452



50 yards except for the large Shoot-N-See target which was 100 with the suppressor...



It is so quiet with CCI Target I can shoot it indoors with no hearing protection.

Planning on buying a second one next year...so is my friend. This one was $300 through The Silencer Shop.

Bob
 
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BigWaylon said:
My guess was "multi-caliber" meant not 22LR only, like an all aluminum can would most likely be. He rather have one that handles 17HMR, 22Mag, maybe even 5.7x28. But...who knows?

If I had to recommend one can, I'd say the Silencerco Spectre II. You can buy other cans to fill in gaps/niches down the road. Between approved and pending, I have 3 Spectres, 2 Warlocks and a Sparrow.

The AAC Element 2 and the Surefire Ryder 22A, plus the soon to be released Dead Air Mask 22, would all be on my potential list...but only after buying a Spectre II.

Now...if the OP was trying to buy one can to do everything, that's just a bad idea. The Liberty Mystic and Mystic X is as close as it comes to a do-it-all can. Then, there are some user-serviceable pistol cans like the SiCo Octane and the Griffin Armament Revolution, that would keep the lead off the tubes...but they're way bigger/heavier than a dedicated rimfire can.
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Spectre II all the way... And SBR that 15-22 down to 4.5"...

I ended up with a Surefire Ryder for my 22 compact but it's dedicated to that gun only and wanted light weight and small profile.
 
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