Saw this for the first time in another post. I have an older model 15-22 and I am always worried about blowing out the extractor with the stingers, velocitors and other high FPS ammo's. So far after hundreds of rounds I have never had a problem but for 18 bucks shipped this little do-dad seems like a great piece of insurance to have and Id rather do the work myself then have to ship the gun back to Smith and Wesson to get the new updated anti-turn extractor.

Anyone have any input on this doo-dad, doma-flop, thing-a-ma-jiggy?

Volquartsen Extractor
https://www.volquartsen.com/products...r-sw-mp-15-22-

No, but S&W shipped me an extractor for free.

Hard to beat free, IMHO.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/138892614-post10.html

Yep, Saw that. It is my driving force to buy. That and a comment or two from another forum member. Mutt? something... Anyway they have great reviews on the rugger 10/22 but I dont have much to go with for the 15-22. Do you guys think it would help or hurt or not bother my slide fire setup?

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Mutt....something, how very insulting

According to the write up, the dimensions are slightly different, which leads to a more positive cartridge extraction. The difference in spec is supposed to be minimal but the effect by all accounts very noticeable.
I am waiting for one to appear this side of the pond, cannot hurt to have a replacement to hand.

It seems like the Volquartsen Extractor is basically the only aftermarket internal component available for the 15-22 so I'm pretty excited about it. I'll probably order one up sometime soon.

I'm really surprised there isn't more aftermarket support for the 15-22 with its popularity such as barrels, bolts, etc...

I think the problem is S&W patents are still in effect and they get very aggressive when someone does something with them they don't like. I remember the magazine law suit and pro-mag had to stop making them.

Mutt something has a nice ring to it.

How can the effect be very noticeable, or even just noticeable, if one has no ejection issues? For it to be very noticeable, folks must be having extraction issues. I have none whatsoever but maybe it is due to my gun's setup & ammo choices. I've always thought the weak link with the 15-22 is more the ejector as opposed to the extractor. I wonder if some blame the extractor when maybe the cause could be the ejector?

So what are the symptoms of a bad extractor... besides the obvious with the casing still in the chamber?

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If i wanted to be known as MuttSomething, then that is what i would have chosen.

"How can the effect be very noticeable, or even just noticeable, if one has no ejection issues?" In the same way that the effect of my factory trigger caused me no issues but i certainly notice the difference now the tolerances have changed in the replacement trigger. My wife has that same argument when she buys coffee... that when i buy coffee i get nice coffee, when the Mrs buys coffee she gets cheap coffee...the difference to her is not noticeable, to me the difference is divorce worthy.

"For it to be very noticeable, folks must be having extraction issues." I actually only mentioned the Volquartsen extractor in relation to people who have had a blown out or lost extractor and that those who had used the replacement found that the gumpf about it appeared to be true. The changes in tolerance seem to give a more positive cartridge extraction, which may help with a more positive ejection. Until i get one, lose my factory one and replace it, then i cannot vouch for this myself. I thought that people were well aware of the difference and the problems that can occur with both the ejector and the extractor.

"So what are the symptoms of a bad extractor... besides the obvious with the casing still in the chamber?" Having had no issue to date with either, extraction or ejection i cannot provide an accurate answer to that, however Volquartsen must have changed something and must have changed it for the better, informed by a 15-22 user/s otherwise why would they bother adding an aftermarket part. For me the real reason for getting one is to have a replacement ready in my Hogue grip compartment. Now all i need is a replacement firing pin and a couple of springs and a plunger for the extractor and i'll be all set.

I had no ejection issues with my 15-22, it is noticeable because you can simply See the ejected case flying further out to the right. It is simply noticeable.

My rifle ejected every case just fine before I upgraded it. It is only $18 so why not try it; was my thinking. If it is the same I have a spare, if it is worst then I am only out $18, if it is an improvement that is great for $18.

Without a doubt it is an improvement in my rifle. Ejecting further out is an improvement to me.

Dangermutt?
TempramentalMutt?
Politicalycorrectmutt?
Dont call me anything other then my name mutt?

All good to me.... LOL J/K

Yep it was your comment but take it with a grain of salt it is a compliment. I never remember anything about anyone else's name on here but I did know half of yours.....

The stick out tongue that accompanied the comment showed how serious i took it

'Danger Mutt'...not where firearms are concerned.
'Temperamental Mutt', Yes, but only when people spell temperamental incorrectly
'Politically Correct Mutt'...lol first time I've been called PC in a long time...that gave me a chuckle.
'Don't call me anything other than my name mutt', that is actually my Sunday name.

I guess i listen to too much Jim Croce, practicing 'I got a name' on my guitar has obviously got under my skin and given me a false sense of identity.

The symptom is usually inconsistent ejection.

In a blow back action the extractor doesn't really extract. The case is blown back out of the chamber which pushes the bolt back. The extractor holds the case, so the ejector can launch it. The extractor creates a pivot point the case rotates around after being hit by the ejector. It controls the spent cases' trajectory.

Everything you are talking about is ejecting. So what does that have to do with the extractor? Obviously, if a casing is not extracted, it can't be ejected, but I don't see how a new extractor can make a casing eject further out.

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Well there are quantitative, discernible differences between a stock trigger and a trigger upgrade... as there are between cheap coffee & nice coffee. Seems to me, an extractor has one chore. It either works or it doesn't. I don't understand upgrading an extractor when the stock one works fine and there is no issue... especially so on a plinker as opposed to a duty rifle.

Keep in mind, I've upgraded many parts on my 15-22s and other guns. Sometimes I do so for an increase in functionality or for looks. IMO, changing out a fully functional extractor just because there is an upgrade would be like me pulling a cylinder out of my truck's engine. If that cylinder were ever to go bad, of course I'd change it out but until then, if it is doing its job... I'll leave it be.

Not trying to be difficult but simply trying to understand the logic here. Sure don't want to miss out on another upgrade.

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The way i see it is that it is difficult enough to get parts here in the UK and let's say mid competition, my extractor blows and gets lost...game over! Oh no wait...look here in my bag is a replacement....game on!

I am sure that both Volquartsen see the sense in altering the angles and material in order to make a product that is different to the original extractor providing better purchase on the casing to give it a more positive angle to make ejection of said casing more (for want of a better word) 'positive' and I am certain that S&W lawyers would be very interested if it wasn't different.

I say good on Volquartsen for including the 15-22 in its quality product line. The more companies that include the 15-22 in its product line the better in my opinion.

Well sir I am no gun designer, but what I can tell you it made a difference. I couldn't start explain something I didn't design, I simply spent a small amount of money for a part that was listed to be an improvement over the stock part by a very reputable company.

"The geometry has been changed to provide positive ejection every time."

That was a quote from the company. So that says to me that with the small new design changes it helps with ejections in conjunction with the ejector to give better results. So maybe with it holding the casing tighter it helps the ejector push and/or strike the casing more exact each time, I don't know, but what I do know is real world testing and comparing the stock part to aftermarket part. The aftermarket part helps somehow to eject the casing a bit further out to the right.

Before they came out to the right and slightly upward and backward, guess that is why the case deflector is there. Now they go slightly upward and straight out to the right, No backward motion.

Thanks for the input. Maybe someone on the board can explain the physics of it all. I'm a printer & sure no expert on guns, but my understanding is the extractor on a 15-22 does nothing more than hook on the the casing, to allow the bolt to carry it rearward until it meets the ejector... which kicks it out the breech. I don't understand how that makes a more positive ejection, other than of course providing a more positive extraction (for those having extraction issues).

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I'll try. Also see post #13.

First, the extractor doesn't "allow the bolt to carry it (the case) rearward until it meets the ejector". This occurs even without an extractor installed. The extractor does come into play when the ejector contacts the case, creating a pivot point the case rotates around when the ejector hits the "other side" of the case rim.

The case, being blown out of the chamber, pushes the bolt back. This is why it's called a blow back action.

A "better" extractor can improve ejection by better controlling the case (better, more consistent, grip of the rim) so the ejector can more consistently launch it out the port.

Guns that cycle and eject well I tend to leave alone. My 15-22s cycle and eject well and I've left the bolt assys all original but I do have 2 VQ extractors sitting here as "spares". If I need to replace an extractor I'll use the VQ part.

FWIW, many of our 22LRs still run with a broken or missing extractor. They just don't eject well, frequently just dribbling the cases out the port or jamming because the case doesn't make it out the port. But, the cases do blow themselves out of the chamber and do push the bolt back with no extractor.

Hope this helps.

Blew out my extractor last week.
I was having FTE problems, bolt catching the round on the way out, pinching it. Would have to clear the rifle, and start again. Eventually that caused an OOB, blowing out the extractor.

Ordered this replacement and it should be delivered today. Planning on going to the range tonight so I will let you all know how it goes.

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Clean the chamber. 22LRs are dirty and have a nasty habit of building up a nice hard layer of carbon/crud in the chamber and the usual .22 bore brushes and bore snakes don't get it out well. They just leave you with a shiny layer of crud.

Once you get crud build up the case doesn't get blown out like it should so the bolt doesn't move back with the velocity it should and you see ejection issues.

I use a .243 bore brush on a piece of cleaning rod chucked in a drill motor to reach in thru the back. JUST going into the chamber, not down the bore. You can feel when you enter the barrel throat, stop there. The spinning brush (and your favorite powder solvent) will get the crud out and Brownells has brass cored brushes so you aren't going to damage anything. .243/.25 Rifle, per 3 : "SPECIAL LINE"
It's surprising how much crud you'll get out of a "clean" chamber if you go in with a bigger rotating brush.

Its like everyone that thinks the volquarsten extractor is a waste of money forgets that even S&W made a newer extractor to fight the issues it was causing by turning in the mount.

If S&W made a remake of the part there is obviously issues in all the old guns weather you experience the problem or not. Also if the volquarsten piece works as claimed it could help me with several issues my gun has.

1. Poorly Ejected rounds. Even with hot ammo I have about 1 in 20 rounds bounce off my salem 6 mag thats attached by coupler to the magazine in the gun. Its startling when hot brass lands on you even after bouncing off a mag. And this isn't due to a dirty gun....

2. FTE problems with cheap rimngton golden bullets that randomly stove pipe when I use my slide fire. About one in every 105 rounds or so.

Also to the guy that said why do it to a plinker gun thats like asking why tune our cars, or collect things, or enjoy ourselves. Folks do stuff for lots of reasons and it being a .22lr doesnt stop me one bit.

S&W did not "made a newer extractor to fight the issues it was causing by turning in the mount".

S&W did add a tab to the extractor plunger to keep it (the plunger) from rotating and letting the extractor escape.

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Got the extractor in today. Gonna tear the gun back down and clean it all again. Taking it to the range tomorrow, will update with anything that happens, good or bad.

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Got to put the gun on the range today with the new Volquartsen Extractor in. When I tell you I was hitting the guy 3 aisles down with ejected casings, its not a fib. This was most definitely my problem. Burned through almost 500 rounds in ~ 1.5 hours, not a single misfire, FTE, or OOB. When I was having at least one FTE every mag before hand, if not more.

Took plenty of video this time at the range with the new GoPro setup to catch it all in slow mo.

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Glad you weapon is now working as should. But I say it again it is a improved design. I had no issues with ejections, but for whatever reason and however it ejects further.

Yeah, I am assuming I just had either a bent, broken, or some form of faulty extractor on mine. I will never know, as it was lost forever when I had my OOB. All I know is it is fixed now, and I couldn't be happier with the gun (for now...)

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You tell us about video and give no link to video....you teaser

It was gopro video and it's been uploading overnight! It will be posted soon if it turned out okay!

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I too was getting FTEs and stovepipes perhaps 1-2 per 25 rounds the last time out. Didn't make any difference what ammo I was using (CCI Minimag, Armscor HP, bulk), and the rifle had been thoroughly cleaned the week before. The ejector was not loose and there didn't seem to be a gap between it and the bolt housing. But I also installed the the Volquartsen extractor today (took all of 1 minute). My 15-22 is only 5 months old and I have the newer style extractor pin, and nothing seemed damaged or amiss. But I'll hit the range Sunday afternoon when I get my Buck Mark out of jail and report back on the results.

Like Skee907, I am now a happy camper. I went to the range today with the new extractor and had zero failures in about 175 rounds. And yes, like others have reported, those spent casings were flying out like crazy.

I have not had any of the problems with my extractor at all but should be getting the VQ one soon, which i was going to use as a spare but i think, after hearing the positive reviews that i'll keep the original as a spare. Great to hear that the teething problems with all these new rifles are being straightened out...now on with the enjoyment

went back Sunday, without a cleaning, and enjoyed another 100 or so trouble free rounds. Also fired my new Buck Mark .22...

Sold!!! Just ordered one, today

can you give me a UK or European community web store where to buy it? thank you

Both of these distributors are found on the Volquartsen website...

South Yorkshire Shooting Supplies
Roger Francis
Everill Gate Farm
Barnsley, S73 0YQ
England

Viking Arms Limited
Summerbridge
Harrogate
North Yorkshire HG3 4BW
England

No dealers have any in stock over here in the uk at the moment that I know off

Viking arms are importers of many brands,but do not sell to

the general public.....

keith

Patience Young Grasshopper

I put one in my M&P 22 MOE and it does make a big difference.....

Got mine on Thursday and popped it in. Ran some dummies through it and then had a steel match, that night. Worked beautifully!

I don't get the whole hoopla. I'll probably get one when I need to have my Volquartsen extracted. Or when it gets temparamental, tempermental, temperamental.......oh whatever!

chalk up another Volquartsen extractor user - replaced the original after three range visits with multiple FTEs. Mo betta! and the rifle now fires pretty much all the ammo I've put through it - CCI AR, Armscor HV/HP, Norma Tac-22, Federal Auto Match and American Eagle.

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How difficult to install the volquartsen extractor ? Looks like it's pressed into the bolt somehow ? Bolt tool ? Or just bring it to your gunsmith of choice ?

Literally use a small flathead screwdriver to push the spring and retaining pin back, pop out the old extractor and pput in the new one. Good idea to clean it well while you're in there too.

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Great thanks, going to order one and put it in for the heck of it..

Careful installing the extractor; the extractor plunger is under significant spring pressure and will find its way into small parts heaven if you don't restrain it.

Don't ask how I know....... (hiding face in shame )

Haha thanks ! I'll try to open it in a bag or plastic bin or something that will catch it if I can't. Ordered one on Amazon will be here tomorrow

I just ordered mine from brownells uk. They have them in stock now if that's any help

Just got mine in, fixed my jamming issue !
Brass flys like 10ft !!