Amazing deal too good to be true?

[Mikey Idaho]

Thus far in my short shooting life I've been living on small calibers revolvers/rifles and shotguns and I felt it was time for me to step up to a 9mm semi auto for home defense and range/plinking fun. After researching the gun world and trying out many different brands my friends finally had me convinced on a Glock 19 until I randomly was shown a M&P9 at a local shop and the ergos and left-hand friendliness won me over completely, especially after reading online concerning it's reliability and accuracy. Was just planning on buying a new unmodded M&P9 or possibly a Pro until a used gun came into one of the shops I frequent. It just seemed too good to be true but I trust this shop with my life so I couldn't pass it up. ---M&P9 with under 500 rounds through it, truglo night sights, S&W performance center action job, 4 extra s&w brand mags (6 total)...all for $500 which is the cost of the stock new M&P9 in my area at the local shops. Is this the deal it seems to be? I do trust the shop and they back up anything they sell. Just wanted to share my incredibly good luck and introduce myself to the M&P community since I love this gun so much

[billdeserthills]

You should buy it if you like it, the M&P is too new for S&W to be able to get out of repairing through warranty, so I can't see any problem with it

[Beerjman]

You would have liked the Glock 19 .
There is nothing wrong with having two pistols .

[geneboy]

I have never seen anyone sell a gun that told you it Had 12 15 thousand rnds threw it, it`s always 50 or a hundred rnds I traded a glock I shot maybe 7 or 8 thousand rnds. Went into the gun shop 2 weeks later To see an almost new sign on it. Well cared for but far From new

[GJH77]

It is a good deal, and a really nice pistol. Even if it does has more rounds if it is clean and has not been abused, it should be good. If you have the whole package look for the spent shell with the date of manufacture.
Good choice.

[Mikey Idaho]

I did some dry firing and could really tell the difference with the action package and field stripped it and looked for any obvious wear and tear before buying it, all seemed extremely clean and new. And I would love a Glock...as soon as they have a slide release on the right and make it feel as good in my hand as a M&P. Only thing that turned me off a bit is mine has the thumb safety, but I've heard here and there that's it's easily removed so I'll get to that soon I'm sure.

[growr]

Mikey, do you shoot at the SEIPS range? I lived there for 8 years and got to shoot with some great folks in USPSA/IDPA/ICORE/ SASS. Some very good stores there as well.
Randy

[Titegroups]

Are all the mags worn. Any gun with more mags than it came from the factory with is a hint. Smith has had offers for extra free mags with purchase of a new gun a couple times the last few years though. The only way to tell much about a gun is to shoot it, how it feels in the hand doesn't mean much. Always try to shoot the same model before buying, people new to guns buy a gun by feel alone.

[clang444]

A lot of that action smoothness can come from shooting it a lot...

S&W has a lifetime warrenty oon new guns to original owners. Might be a good reason to go new.

[growr]

Which shop in Idaho Falls? I know them all well.
Randy

[Mikey Idaho]

Thanks for all the responses guys. I freely admit i'm new to guns and gun buying, so hopefully this is a good purchase for me. I was planning on buying new but all the extras sold me on it, hopefully I don't regret it. I haven't shot yet at the SEIPS range or done practical shooting, this gun will start me on that path, one of the reasons I bought it. And i'm getting it from Ross's, was also looking at prices at Ski's and The Gun Shop.

[ET.]

Originally Posted by clang444

S&W has a lifetime warrenty oon new guns to original owners. Might be a good reason to go new.

This is the reason I buy new. I have friends who buy used all the time and don't get bit, so it might not be that big of a deal. The fact that you got so many mags & the night sights makes it a good deal in my opinion. I just paid $567 for a new M&P 40 Pro. I don't see many of the extended slides coming up on the used market yet & I really wanted the 5" barrel for target use. Plus I wanted a 40s&w so I could get the 40-9 conversion barrel & the 357sig barrel to shoot all three calibers. No ftf's from any of the 3 so far. Life is good...

[MotorCityGun]

You might also want to check the date of manufacture if it comes in/with the original gun case. A 3 yr old firearm with a few hundred rounds through it is a lot less likely than one that is only 6 mos old from date of manufacture.

[growr]

Mikey, go to the SEIPS website and get some info there. They also have a very active IDPA league on Wed. nights. USPSA is also shot there but I don't remember the match schedule.
Great bunch of guys out there! All you will need for IDPA is the gun with at least three magazines, a mag pouch, a holster that covers the trigger guard and about 150 rounds of ammo , a cover garmet like a shirt/vest, eye and ear protection, etc. and away you go!

They should be shooting tomorrow night starting at 6:00. Bring your gear and have FUN! Tell them that Randy sent you...they will know.Get in touch with Rex Harrison and he can take you through the whole thing from beginning to end.

Did I mention to have FUN?

Randy

PS.
I have bought things from Ross's but spent a lot more money at Ski's and Max's Gun and Pawn.

[growr]

Correction...the point of contact person for IDPA is Doug McKenzie. You can email Doug from the SEIPS website. download the new shooter packet and away you go!
Randy

[Rangel]

That deal sounds great to me, from the outside looking in. The extra mags, Truglos (my favorite sights) and the performance mods alone would've probably cost you $300--$400 above the base gun just by themselves.

Typically, someone who's going to add options of that quality, is not the kind of person who abuses his guns. I bet he's a got a nice collection and is selling that gun and it's sweet--he's just taken a fancy to some new gun and will turn the money over he got from selling it into a new gun he fancies but has never had. I'd check the trigger--see how it feels. Sometimes guns like that have REALLY light triggers and for some, that's cool, but not for me and not for someone pretty new to bigger caliber guns, I don't think.

I don't know why so many guys don't like a manual safety. Maybe it's just me, but although I'm forgetfull about a lot of things, I always seem to know if the safety's on or not. If I'm out on the streets or driving in a rough part of town--it's OFF, a round's chambered and I know. I'd rather have a manual and not need it than not have it and need it, Full sized or compact--sub compact, outside holster or conceal and carry, very few guns safeties slow me down and if I am in the wilderness or just in the bushes in my back yard, climbing or running--I LIKE a 'real' safety ON.

When I'm not too sure about a particular gun, I have a good friend take it apart and he can tell me if it's 'kosher' or not.

I wouldn't consider a used gun having a number of magazines to be a deal breaker at all. I like extra magazines, not because I shoot 1000's of rounds, but because I like to load my magazines at home when I feel like it, then be able to hit the range with a number of guns and shoot w/o reloading.

The M&P's are GREAT, feel a bit better in my hands and are more accurate, but that old Glock 17 reminds me of the 1968 Dodge Dart I had as a teen--I know it's still running out there somewhere...

I just bought a new S&W M&P 40c late yesterday and while that came with what should (but isn't always the case any more) two magazines, I will eventually buy two or three more mags.

Bought new, tricked out Glock 27 (new) last month and that came with an extra magazine they threw in--so 3 so far there. I'll probably buy some 20+ capacity mags for that "Baby Glock'

A few months ago, it was the S&W BG380. With their 6 round capacity magazines-they only send you ONE!? Come on, S&W!... I was happy to finally find a supplier that sold me 3 extras for that little puppy.

A little while back I bought a full sized Springfield Xdm, full sized 45 and besides the two standard mags, Springfield had a promo that sent me three more--so there's five there.

My Glock 17? heck--aside from the standard 10 and 17 round mags that it came with, I was worried about a ban on the Glock 33 round magazines after that nut job in Arizona killed several people, including nearly killing a member of the US Congress. So to add to the three 33's I had already, i ordered three more. Good for resale down the line, or if the zombies ever show up.

Whether it's one gun your buying, or a collection of several, if they have extra mags, that doesn't mean the gun's been shot even a thousand times. And if even if it's BEEN shot a 1000 times, and it was a good gun to start with, chances are it's finally about perfectly 'broken in' and the trigger's smoother (especially with M&Ps) --it might even be more accurate.

Again, if you're that worried, take it apart or have someone you feel knows more than you do that, look inside and at the conditions of the mags too so you can learn some, and you should know..

When I'm not too sure about a particular gun, I have a good friend take it apart and he can tell me if it's 'kosher' or not.

Going to the range, I might bring over half a dozen guns, all with multiple magazines, so my sons and I can spend more time shooting than reloading and none of those guns really have that many rounds shot through them, except maybe the Glock 17, which will still probably outlast my sons, never mind me. It's about as sexy as a black colored chicken egg, but if you said "hey--we're dropping you in the jungle for 2 months, pack light--which ONE pistol are you bringing?", it's probably be that.

Only downside to me having so many guns (I will, I will not say I have TOO many--that's my wife's line) is that I probably will never get as proficient (accurate) shooting a bunch of different guns than if I stuck with one--or one series, like all M&P's 9 thru 45 caliber, all Glocks, Springfields, etc., in those ranges, especially if the sizes of the pistols in that brand/series are similar. The more adjusting between gun brands and their ergomics--the grip angle, the way it's set up and even within a series sizes within a single brand, the more variability you're likely to see in your proficiency.

It's like being a really good cook of Japanese, Italian and French food--you'll probably always be really good and improve, but until you concentrate on ONE, never world class 'great' in any.

Some guys (and gals) here are VERY serious and shoot in competions and I doubt if many shoot a whole lot of different types of guns--or at least no before a competition. Myself? I'm more into the sport for fun and I like different guns and calibers. I'm a fair shot, but not focused or inclined to drive myself so hard that I shoot one gun untill I feel I've reached my personal best on just that one gun.

I think most of us--I'm really just guessing, have or would like to have a number of different guns and like me, go out and enjoy shooting them, sharing and comparing the differences among them, picking favorites, etc.


Whether it's one gun you're buying, or a collection of several, if they have extra mags, that doesn't mean the gun's been shot even a thousand times. And if even if it's BEEN shot a 1000 times, and it was a good gun to start with, chances are it's finally about perfectly 'broken in' and the trigger's smoother (especially with M&Ps) --it might even be more accurate.

Again, if you're that worried, take it apart or have someone you feel knows more than you do that, look inside and at the conditions of the mags too so you can learn some, and you should know.

Your initial post was great, by the way--admitting that you don't know 'that' much shows you're probably smarter than you give yourself credit for.Guys who know a whole lot more than me, often share their knowledge, but the wisest,most knowledgeble guys I know are the guys who will quickly admit if they dunno or aren't quite sure. Nobody knows everything.

[Mikey Idaho]

Yah the guys at the shop said the previous owner sells a gun a month there after he builds em up and gets bored with em. So he sounds like a guy who has money and cares for his guns, plus I trust the shop to take care of me just in case. Haven't gotten a chance to take it out yet but just with plenty of handling and dry firing I have come around to the thumb safety, don't think it'll bother me. The only pistols I'd shot before this were my revolvers and my friend's glock so I was just used to not having safeties to think about. Overall I'm pretty excited, not too worried about the gun itself, had a gun saavy friend check it out like you said and he was very impressed with how new it looked. Plus I'm kinda a freak about cleaning my guns after every time out so I know it'll stay in great shape. Once I get used to this gun and shooting in general I'm thinking of adding a 1911 to my collection in a year or so (probably sooner judging from how much I love reading and learning about guns lol).

[billdeserthills]

Originally Posted by Mikey Idaho

Yah the guys at the shop said the previous owner sells a gun a month there after he builds em up and gets bored with em. So he sounds like a guy who has money and cares for his guns, plus I trust the shop to take care of me just in case.

Isn't that odd, I have a customer like that at my shop, the guy never even fires his purchases, but he spends money changing the grips, buying a nice holster and some defense ammo and then, I wind up paying him $50.00 less than he paid me, to take the gun back. It is clear to me that his wife is forcing him to lose money several times a year, by not allowing him to own any more than a certain # of guns.

[Rangel]

Originally Posted by billdeserthills

Isn't that odd, I have a customer like that at my shop, the guy never even fires his purchases, but he spends money changing the grips, buying a nice holster and some defense ammo and then, I wind up paying him $50.00 less than he paid me, to take the gun back. It is clear to me that his wife is forcing him to lose money several times a year, by not allowing him to own any more than a certain # of guns.

That is odd and in a way, I can relate. My wife moans and groans for a little while, each time I buy a new gun, but she's always over it pretty quick, thank God. And no woman is going to tell me I can't buy another gun, as long as there's food on the table and the bills are paid on time.

But she doesn't like me disapppearing for TOO long, unless I have a damn good explanation. Even then, she worries and gets a bit tense, missing me, worrying. She's a Filipina and I reckon they're just a little more proud, posessive and sometimes even jealous of their man than are a lot of other women.

Anyway, I HATE to go out fishing--only to find they're not hitting in the rivers or out in the bay, as then I'll head out to sea--in short--in a case like that, I'll be out from dawn til past dusk, sometimes even overnight, if the moon's big enough. I refuse to get 'skunked'--coming home fishless---empty handed.

But nature being what it is, once in a great while, that happens. Lying to her isn't my style, so before I get home, I stop at the grocer's fish counter and very specifically, pick out a nice, big, whole, VERY fresh looking fish and say to the seafood guy: "DON'T wrap it--just TOSS it to me over the counter 'as is' (au naturale) and hand me the bill".

Then I put it in the cooler, head home and after the customary kiss, she always asks me 'what did you catch, honey?-- wanting to see the fish, so she can clean and filet them ASAP, cook some up and freeze the rest.

Thank God for the seafood guy's cooperation at the grocery, because i can pull that biggun out of the cooler and honestly tell her:

"Oh--I only CAUGHT this one--but ain't it a beaut?".

And I think I'll be buying yet another gun again soon and she won't moan and groan too much then either.....