I have noticed some similaraties in the M&P and the gen 4 Glocks. They both have the ambidextrous option for the mag release and both have back (grip) straps.If i'm not mistaken,didn't the M&P have these 2 features before Glock did?

Yes the M&P had both from its beginning, the Glocks didn't start with those features until the Gen 4's came out, the glock backstraps go on over top of the existing grip and the gen 4 also has RTF(Rough Texture Finish) and a new dual captured recoil spring. I carry a Glock 23 .40 but much prefer my 2 M&P's I have the 9L and .40c I did the full Apex DCAEK & Ram modifications and like someone else said the trigger is like butter! I have several mods on the glock including 3.5# Ghost trigger and it sucks, the glock is a gen2. I carry the Glock due to the comfort factor, because I have not found the right carry holster for the M&P's yet.

Well my Gen 4 26 did but my M&P9 also had all the same back straps!

The difference is the back straps them selves and the gun in general while you might like the Glock I myself LOVE the M&P for the overall feel and shoot it easier and with more accuracy!

The Glock is built like a box while the M&P was built in a dream and fits like a custom made glove... one you get used to and one you just use...guess which ONE?

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Ok,so just as S&W copied some Glock features in the beginning,now the tables have turned and Glock is copying S&W. I'm guessing S&W can't/won't sue Glock? Did S&W make some kind of a deal with Glock back when the lawsuit was filed? If not,it's good to see Glock has something to worry about now and is doing anything it can to keep up!

Both are fine pistols and I enjoy carrying both. I like the rough texture on the gen 4 glocks, I'm just waiting for Talon Grips to start making a grip for my M&P 40c. Their website say's they are comming soon.

Both the M&P and Glock will do the job. Personally I prefer the ergenomics and trigger of the S&W M&P or the older S&W99.

Just about all of the polymer frame pistols are offering some type of interchangable back straps now. I've owned Glocks since 1987, and have shot a lot of rounds through them. I liked their ergonomics over all of the other double stacked pistols on the market until the M&P came along. If the M&P wasn't a reliable platform, I'd still be 100% Glock. As it is, I still carry a 27 for backup, but I'll probably replace it with a compact M&P one of these days, I just haven't decided on which one.

Both are very good reliable pistols but the M&P is way more comfortable in my hand.

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Bowie tactical will stipple your M&P's grip for you.
If it wasn't for the turn around time I'd send mine in for it. I'm just not well heeled enough to have another compact for carry while I wait on that to be done.

Glocks have a proprietary grip angle that forces the muzzle high when I instinctively point the pistol toward a target. This forces me to break my natural wrist angle to point the muzzle down to align the sights.

My recommendation has always been to take a good 3-day pistol course before buying a pistol. Too many students show up with unsuitable pistols and spend too much time fighting the pistol rather than gunfighting. DA/SA pistols are especially difficult to learn; 3.5" M1911s in .45ACP will tear you up over three days; slide mounted safeties are hard to place on Fire. Even a "low round count" course will shoot 300 rounds a day. Some shoot more than 500.

I used to recommend the Glock for this training in spite of the grip angle issue due to reliability and simplicity of the trigger system. But no longer. The M&P (without a frame safety) has replaced it in the "first pistol" category. In fact I consider the M&P9 to be the ideal pistol for this use. You can transition later to a larger caliber or different frame as the gunfighting skills will transfer.

Survival in a gunfight is more about gun handling than marksmanship. Ergonomics play a major role in gun handling. The less dinguses and levers the better. The M&P comes standard with none. (As does the Glock, H&K-LEM, and others.) KISS.

-- Chuck

I just came back from finally deciding on the m&p 45. it felt better in my hand and i shot better with it too. so that is what got me to go with the m&p

When I was looking for a full size plastic .45 pistol I gave the Glock and the M&P fair consideration. I looked, held, fired, and got a gunsmithing lesson with both. I chose the one that felt better in my hand. It just happened to be the American pistol.

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most people prefer glocks for reliability.. i only own a m&p.... on that note -ive never read about a m&p being unreliable has anyone tested the m&p like the crazy glock tests? i once read about a glock being loaded then buried in the ground for 2 years then dug up and fired perfect-anyone got an extra m&p to do an experiment!

I had a Gen 4 Glock 19 and had many problems. Traded it in for an M&P and it has been flawless. Love the M&P. It is better in every way. Better grip angle, more accurate, etc. Good luck.

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I was once one of those Glock fanboys until I got my M&P 9. Long story short I now don't even own a Glock. I never had any problem with my Glocks but after the M&P I just didn't care for them anymore (personal preference). My M&P has been just as reliable as any of my Glocks.

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I have both a Glock 36 and M&P 45C. They have both proven themselves to be reliable. The Glock is slightly smaller and has the weight advantage over the M&P as it is approximately six ounces lighter when fully loaded. The grip of the M&P is much more "ergonomically friendly" than that of the Glock. I prefer the large bold white sights of the Glock to those on the M&P. The cantilever trigger safety of the M&P is easier on the trigger finger than the swivel type on the Glock trigger. The stock trigger pull of both pistols can be improved, and I did so on the M&P with the addition of an Apex Tactical DCAEK. The Glock trigger, also modified, is simply no match for the M&P. I'm left handed and I use my left index finger to drop the slide stop when reloading. The slide stop on the M&P is much easier to manipulate than the slide stop on the Glock. When all of the bench racing is done and it comes down to the brass tacks of actual performance, the M&P shines again. I have better accuracy and less felt recoil with the M&P. The bottom line is that it's simply more fun to shoot.

Both of these pistols are quality firearms. The observations and opinions are mine only and others will certainly vary.

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As a Glock armorer of 11 years buy a M&P. Glocks are good guns but the M&P is better.

My experience with 2 M&P's that are fired twice a week is 100% reliability which no brand can better. Put an apex trigger kit or just do the Burwell mod for free and then see which trigger you prefer. Made in the USA and I'm proud of it.

Wow! Now that is saying a lot. What led you to that conclusion. I have both and like the M&P a tad better because it feels good in my hand.

Until I purchased a M&P 9 full size, my favorite polymer framed semi-auto's were a Glock 17 & 19 Gen4.

The more I shoot the M&P, the less inclined I am to keep the Glocks.

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I have 3 Glock's in 9mm and an M&P 45. I won't be getting rid of my Glocks, I love shooting and carrying them! But i do also love my M&P 45, I had a G21 and traded it for the M&P. I prefer it ergo wise and I am finding that it shoots very well. My wife's only gun is an M&P 9mm, she loves it! Nothing wrong with enjoying both.

Glock all the way. I have 3 Glocks, G21, G23, G26 and all are fantastic. I looked at M&P before I purchased an H&K and haven't looked back. I thought the M&P was nice, but the H&K and Glocks were superior.

M&P. Coming from a former. Glock owner

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I havent had one malfunction with my m&p40fs. Thousands and thousands of rounds through it. 100% reliable. Carried out in the open, rained on, snowed on, dust storms, banged on chairs and desks, and caught on car doors daily. 100% reliable. The deputies i work with are just getting the new glocks. They seem to be happy with them.

Chevy vs ford, preference and experience matter.

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Joe,

I was just like you. I looked at the M&P and thought Glocks were superior. It wasn't until I shot a M&P that I realized what I was missing.

All of a sudden, the Glock Kool-Aid doesn't taste as sweet.

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In the 9mm i prefer Glock. In .45 the M&P. While the factory mag in the M&P 45 holds 10 rounds as opposed to the 13 in Glock it makes up for it in width. The M&P 45 is only a hair wider than the G19/17

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Both the Glock and M&P are great weapons, just different.

I've owned & shot Glocks for many years, and once getting familiar with them, I sold off everything else. Their reliability is without question, and that sold me. Over 5000 round thru my G17 and I've NEVER had a failure of any kind.

Along comes the M&P and I like it so much that I buy a FS9. I like the ergonomics better and it points to a more natural aim for me. But, it starts to give me problems. Five different ammo types and I'm getting feed jams after 100 rounds. It stops way short of going into full battery. I can smack the back of the slide and get it going, so I'm wondering why this is happening.

I finally realized that the M&P needs better lubrication than I'm used to using on my Glocks. It just struck me one day, and I tried some Wilson's grease type lube (the white stuff I use on my .45's) The M&P went 200 rounds without a problem. I even tried to jam it up by mixing ammo types and running it pretty hot.

Lesson learned. M&P's need to be well lubed, at least better than a Glock. That gives an edge to the Glock in reliability dept., but I still bought an M&P9C too.

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I never liked the looks of Glocks and stayed away from them until a year ago when I saw a G 27 Gen 4. My lgs dealer had ordered a Beretta PX4 SC .40 and when I came in for it he asked if I wanted a Glock. I did not want it but then he said I could get a big discount because of my LE status. At that price I figured I could sell it if it did not do anything for me. The Baby G 27 is the only one that remotely looked like it was worth taking home. I rarely use it but it is part of my collection and the wife will not touch it at all. She likes FN's. My only experience with the M&P was when my cousin got his CC permit and since he is a lefty, I did some research and showed him what was available for lefties. The M&P is one of the few which is truly ambi including the slide lock. The first time out with it he lost the white dot on his front sight which plagues the M&P line and it shoots slighly high right for four different shooters. Two weeks ago my wife purchased the new Shield for me. I am pleased with it. I got the 9mm because a Taurus Slim fills my .40 needs in that size gun. My glock does not impress and my S&W is nice but they will be the only of their kind in my stable. My Beretta's, Ruger's, and FN's still satisfy my needs.

I have had several Glocks, in 9mm and 40, in three different frame sizes and three generations. They fascinate me somehow, but I always felt something was missing. I recently bought a M&P40c, and I feel like it's what the Glock should have been. The trigger is crisper, has a better feel, and the overall ergonomics are an order of magnitude better than the Glock. There may be another one or two in my future.

Had a Glock of some sorts for over 15 years. My wife recently got an M&P9c, and after taking her out to shoot it, I fell in love with it. Had to have one of my own, so I traded the 19 for it. Probably won't go back to the Glock....

I own 3 Glock's a 36, 19, and a 33 (same as a 26&27 in 357 Sig)
I like all 3 and have had 0 probs. I just got the M&P Shield and although I haven't been able to shoot it yet(back went out) I love how it fits my hand & it's looks, in fact the M&P's are a better looking gun IMO. I admit the M&P's fit the hand way better & when cash allows I might look into a M&P 9 Compact. I really like it too. It is very disappointing that Glock's 4th gen seems to be having some probs in certain models. Both are proven & will get the job done, but for Glock I'd stay with a gen 3 just because it seems more true to the orig design.

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It's funny that people who think Glock fans have never shot an M&P. On the contrary, I have shot several caliber M&Ps and still feel the Glock is superior. If I could afford it, I would own all H&Ks. It's not just the name but the superior design and build of the gun. I do have older S&W Revolvers and feel there is no better maker than S&W for this type of gun.

Well the HK P2000 with replaceable backstraps was release 4 years before the MP....so....

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Many of the Glock "firsts" were based on other earlier models by other companies.

The Remington Nylon 66 was the first polymer firearm, long before Glocks were introduced.

Heckler and Koch VP70 made the first striker fired polymer firearm in 1970, a full 10 years before Glock produced one.

The trigger safety on the Glocks was first found on the Iver Johnson's Arms and Cycle Works revolvers in the early 1900's.

There really are very few truly new things under the sun in the firearms industry.

Of course John Browning's design is the basis of our modern semi auto's.

I don't like Glocks. I don't visit any Glock forums. I don't care what is going on over there. I don't feel that it is necessary to go there and verbalize how much better the M&P is than Glock. Why do glockites feel they must come here and recruit.

Both are fine handguns but I like Glocks better.

I've been a Glock Armorer for several years and own a G27 (my EDC until the Shield .40 came along), G23, G17, G36, and G21. Also own a M&P .45 that I had to send back to Smith for an extractor adjustment, out of the box.

I never had a failure or issue with a Glock since I've owned one, 12 years with the G27. The M&P .45 has a horrid trigger IMO, especially after shooting a Glock. My G21 .45 with tac light is my home defense primary gun.

Now the Shield .40 comes along, great feel, reliable, excellent trigger out of the box, and manageable recoil. My old G27 now is second team to the Shield...Unless I have to go to a big city, then the G27 with a G23 mag gets the nod.