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M&P Shield Bodyguard 380 size comparison
Can anyone post pics of the two together. Ive searched no one has yet.
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Wow that thing really is puny!
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Thanks for the pics. I didn't think the BG380 was that much smaller.
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More like the Shield isn't THAT small, it's thin. Compared to my M&P9c
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Thanks for the pics. Was hoping the Shield was going to be a little smaller.
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Thanks for the pics. Was hoping the Shield was going to be a little smaller.
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Any smaller then it would not be as nice of a shooter that it is. You can shoot the Shield all day and not end up sore. That can't be said for the BG.380
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Any smaller then it would not be as nice of a shooter that it is. You can shoot the Shield all day and not end up sore. That can't be said for the BG.380
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Totally agree. I shoot my BG minimally because that reason. The shield is sweet.
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Wasnt interested in it as a range gun, carry is the preference. But hey I enjoy shootin my BG more then my Glock 23.
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Wasnt interested in it as a range gun, carry is the preference. But hey I enjoy shootin my BG more then my Glock 23.
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I don't buy *range* guns. My main carry has been a M&P9c for the past 2 years which is considerably larger/wider and heavier than the Shield. I am a small lady and I don't purse carry. I bought the Shield for carry when the 9c prints too much.
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I don't buy *range* guns. My main carry has been a M&P9c for the past 2 years which is considerably larger/wider and heavier than the Shield. I am a small lady and I don't purse carry. I bought the Shield for carry when the 9c prints too much.
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I'm right there with ya. I've carried both 40c and 9c (using my Florida CCW in legal states). The BG is fun but it's a toy..too small for me. I'm 6'2 200 lbs and even my compacts will print from time to time. I'm not a big IWB user. So when the shield came out , it was a perfect alternative for me when my compacts just dont work out.
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I was originally thinking/hoping the shield was going to be a 9mm BG. I think a single stack 9c describes it better. The grip was a bit to get used to compared to my 9c, but I think I could get to like it. The trigger wasn't that much different then my 9c though. I was thinking it was reported to be about half of the 9c's triger at about 3 lbs. Of course I was dry firing the shield at the gun shop. It would be nice to fire them at the same time. It is a nice weapon that was added to my wish list!
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Yes, a slim M&P. If they sized the grip down then accuracy and recoil would be greatly sacrificed and much worse! The difference between the BG.380 and the Ruger LCP (LCP having waaaay more snap and recoil) is that the BG has a slightly longer grip. You can get one more finger on the gun for better control. I like the Shield just as it is. We don't need another BG style IMO. The Shield is a sweet shooter that you can run all day, and no soreness. The BG was intended to be a BUG, not a primary.
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Any smaller then it would not be as nice of a shooter that it is. You can shoot the Shield all day and not end up sore. That can't be said for the BG.380
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I guess I'm lucky, in that I'm able to pump 100 or more rounds downrange in one session from my BG 380 and I suffer no ill effects except to be annoyed that I have to load the magazine so often.
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I guess I'm lucky, in that I'm able to pump 100 or more rounds downrange in one session from my BG 380 and I suffer no ill effects except to be annoyed that I have to load the magazine so often.
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I just bought 1500 rounds for my BG380 at an auction. Maybe I should do a durability test! I will be at the farm this weekend and I'll bring the BG380 along, hopefully my girls will go and with any luck my wife too, and I can report back with some good opinions.
My guess is they will all like the 9c the best, but I'd like to see if the BG380 gets tiring after a while for anyone. I've shot maybe 100 at a session and it doesn't bother me, but I'm a big fella with a construction background of swinging a 28oz hammer all day long. I'll see if my teenage girls like it as much as I do.
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One more country heard from.... I checked out several comparisons because I'm still looking for a 9mm that I'd feel comfortable CC'ing without a major wardrobe change . And they are all in the same price range. There are some overpriced options but....
I checked specs on the Glock 26, Kel Tecs PF-11 & PF-9, Taurus Slim, and the Rugers LC9 & SR9c. Here's my findings.
The M&P Shield, Glock 26, and Ruger SR9c are withing fractions of each other in size and weight, except width (Glock and Ruger are double stack). They also share the same striker fired system giving them a light, smooth trigger.
The Kel Tecs, Taurus, and Ruger LC9 are also withing fractions in size but are several oz lighter. The PF-11 is a double stack so it's a bit wider.
Oh, and I've owned them all and still own most of them. They have all been VERY reliable shooters. And I'm still CC'ing my Bodyguard and Kel Tec P32 as my pocket gun, both plenty lethal with the right ammo. In colder weather I carry the LC9 because it and BG have very similar grip and shooting characteristics. You need your CCWs to be a near the same as possible.
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I just bought 1500 rounds for my BG380 at an auction. Maybe I should do a durability test! I will be at the farm this weekend and I'll bring the BG380 along, hopefully my girls will go and with any luck my wife too, and I can report back with some good opinions.
My guess is they will all like the 9c the best, but I'd like to see if the BG380 gets tiring after a while for anyone. I've shot maybe 100 at a session and it doesn't bother me, but I'm a big fella with a construction background of swinging a 28oz hammer all day long. I'll see if my teenage girls like it as much as I do.
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Uh .. no. The guys I know who train frequently, don't carry the 9c, they have either full or long M&Ps, yet they are snapping up the Shield and loving it! The Shield has a different grip that is better for larger mitts on guys than the 9c. I have owned the BG.380 for nearly two years, my 9c longer, so I know the features, differences of both. Try taking a full day's class with the BG.380 shooting about 300 rnds. As a woman, I will bet that your daughters and wife will tire much faster with the BG than they will with the Shield. I own all three pistols, so I speak from experience, not just opinion.
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Is it really fair to show him a comparison of the Shield and Bodyguard when you're not using pics of the Shield with the flush magazine? OP, the pics in this topic are with the extended 8 round mag that significantly lengthens the Shield's grip.
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Thanks for the pics. Was hoping the Shield was going to be a little smaller.
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Same here, based on those pics I don't think I will be buying one, I was looking for something closer to the bodyguard size.
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Is it really fair to show him a comparison of the Shield and Bodyguard when you're not using pics of the Shield with the flush magazine? OP, the pics in this topic are with the extended 8 round mag that significantly lengthens the Shield's grip.
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Of course it's *fair* I have the extended finger plates on the BG.380, not the flat floor plate.
But .. I will play ..
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Is it really fair to show him a comparison of the Shield and Bodyguard when you're not using pics of the Shield with the flush magazine? OP, the pics in this topic are with the extended 8 round mag that significantly lengthens the Shield's grip.
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We can look and see where the flush magazine would be, and its still quite taller than the BG...
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Same here, based on those pics I don't think I will be buying one, I was looking for something closer to the bodyguard size.
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Don't base your choice on pics. You really need to FEEL the gun in hand. Night and day with the difference as to how they both shoot. Keep in mind it really isn't *right* to compare as they are veerry different .. designed for different intentions. The BG.380 wasn't designed to be a primary carry .. it is to be a BUG .. a back up gun when your primary can't get the job done.
Comparing the two IMO is apples and oranges. Really guys .. you would stake your life on a small .380 as your sole EDC ??? I am a 5'5" 130 lb lady and I carry a M&P9c (a double stack) IWB. The Shield is great for when I really need a slimmer gun.
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We can look and see where the flush magazine would be, and its still quite taller than the BG...
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Well .. yeah ! It's a SLIM M&P, not a BUG gun.
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Don't base your choice on pics. You really need to FEEL the gun in hand. Night and day with the difference as to how they both shoot. Keep in mind it really isn't *right* to compare as they are veerry different .. designed for different intentions. The BG.380 wasn't designed to be a primary carry .. it is to be a BUG .. a back up gun when your primary can't get the job done.
Comparing the two IMO is apples and oranges. Really guys .. you would stake your life on a small .380 as your sole EDC ??? I am a 5'5" 130 lb lady and I carry a M&P9c (a double stack) IWB. The Shield is great for when I really need a slimmer gun.
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For me that's actually what I was sort of looking for. I carry the 40c and I love it but I was in the market for a "mouse-gun" or pocket pistol as back-up or summer/shorts carry and I'm thinking that this is not the purpose of the shield.
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For me that's actually what I was sort of looking for. I carry the 40c and I love it but I was in the market for a "mouse-gun" or pocket pistol as back-up or summer/shorts carry and I'm thinking that this is not the purpose of the shield.
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You would be correct. It is not intended to be a mouse gun. The BG.380 is.
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All three and all have the extended floor plates.
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Comparing the two IMO is apples and oranges. Really guys .. you would stake your life on a small .380 as your sole EDC ??? I am a 5'5" 130 lb lady and I carry a M&P9c (a double stack) IWB. The Shield is great for when I really need a slimmer gun.
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Yep I have no problem trustin my BG 380. Its better then my Glock 23 that I always leave at home. Luckily I dont live in an area surrounded by crazed gangs of meth heads.
I still would like a micro 9 though, have to compare the Shield to the Sig P290.
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Well .. yeah ! It's a SLIM M&P, not a BUG gun.
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I don't believe I said anything about either being a BUG?
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Now, if they were to compact the M&P down to the size of the BG380, and make and M&P380, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
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Handling a Shield today I found it to be very pocketable with the 7 round mag in regular cut shorts or khakis.Probably not so much for tight jeans. I really don't think I personally want anything any smaller for myself.
I'm not a fan of tiny pistols but the Shield appeals to me.
In AIWB you'd certainly never know it was there.I like it a lot for it's intended purpose and I think it was well thought and designed for that niche. I'm a small guy. You big lugs won't have any trouble at all.
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Handling a Shield today I found it to be very pocketable with the 7 round mag in regular cut shorts or khakis.Probably not so much for tight jeans. I really don't think I personally want anything any smaller for myself.
I'm not a fan of tiny pistols but the Shield appeals to me.
In AIWB you'd certainly never know it was there.I like it a lot for it's intended purpose and I think it was well thought and designed for that niche. I'm a small guy. You big lugs won't have any trouble at all.
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I get a kick out the people who don't think a BG380 is capable of killing a bad person, it will do the job just fine. It is my pocket gun of choice for everyday CC. It is not likely your going to end up in a multiple magazine shoot out if you do it right it will be 2 shots and the bad guy hitting the floor. I am going to check out the new XD S for a in the truck console back up to the 380. when it starts showing up in stores since I don't enjoy using Kimber Pro Carry II for CC.
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Now, if they were to compact the M&P down to the size of the BG380, and make and M&P380, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
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Personally, I think that is what they should have done and made it in 380 and 9mm. Leave .40 out completely for a pp....
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I get a kick out the people who don't think a BG380 is capable of killing a bad person, it will do the job just fine.
It is my pocket gun of choice for everyday CC. I am going to check out the new XD S when it starts showing up in stores since I don't enjoy using Kimber Pro Carry II for CC.
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Because people get killed everyday with .22 LR...most common gunshot in ER's and if .22 can do it so can 380.
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How many bad guys have you shot with a 380 that didn't die?
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I knew of a guy who broke into a neighbors house, was shot twice with a .40 cal, ran out of the house and 1/2 way down the block before he dropped. He was hit in the left lung and the left hip. I hear all of the time that 9mm is not enough to stop. The .380 was meant for close up.
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Did you meet him at band camp?
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I am not assuming either way. Given the *choice* I would much rather trust a 9mm (because we never know at what distance one will have to defend/fire from) What if there is more than one bad guy?
To each their own.
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What kind of a comment is that?
This happened 5 years ago Thanksgiving. The guy broke into several homes before he entered the house when the homeowner was not feeling well was in bed, heard a knock at the front door, then shortly there after heard a crash at the back door. By the time he went back for his gun and started at the stairs, the BG was at the bottom of the stairs and came at the neighbor who then shot him twice.
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The BG380 is not a 2 shot weapon it carries 6+1. Given the choice I would rather carry a .45 but they tend to be a little bulky and heavy to carry in my pocket. Like you say it is a personal choice.
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What kind of a comment is that?
This happened five years ago Thanksgiving. The guy broke into several homes before he entered the house when the homeowner was not feeling well was in bed, heard a knock at the front door, then shortly there after heard a crash at the back door. By the time he went back for his gun and started at the stairs, the BG was at the bottom of the stairs and came at the neighbor who then shot him twice.
Here .. Man shot during <br />break-in pleads guilty - MonroeNews.com
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I knew of a guy who broke into a neighbors house, was shot twice with a .40 cal, ran out of the house and 1/2 way down the block before he dropped. He was hit in the left lung and the left hip. I hear all of the time that 9mm is not enough to stop. The .380 was meant for close up.
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From your first post it sounds like the BG was a buddy of yours, if that was not the case then I appolagize.
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Uh .. no. I spoke with the home owner the day after it happened while I was out walking my dog. The BG tried to break into the house next door to me, but I had three Bernese Mtn Dogs that are pretty loud when I let them out. I got home right around the time the BG threw a rock into my next door neighbor's back window. We are guessing that my dogs scared him off, and instead made his way up through the alley and eventually to where he was shot. The police found a duffle bag filled with stolen items from cars and homes.The bad guy was a drug user and habitual thief from a nearby town. So glad that he got sent to jail.
My point is that one should depend on the highest caliber possible that one can manage with consistent accuracy. For me that is a 9mm.
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There should be more reliance on tactics and awareness, caliber is not the only answer. If caliber was all that mattered you need to get rid of the 9 and get a 40/45. Or sell some guns and move to a safer neighborhood.
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It's certainly true that all caliber pistols have killed people many times over,and that's not even debatable.
However,the intent of the legally armed carrier should be to end a potentially deadly confrontation immediately by causing the "bad guy" to cease his hostile and aggressive actions.
Service calibers accomplish this best. Many years ago Jeff Cooper stated,and I quote:"Placement takes precedence over power." This statement might easily be misinterpreted to mean that small calibers are just as good as large calibers if your placement is perfect. That could even be true in some instances, but in all my years I have never seen anyone who could get perfect placement of their shots under an adrenaline filled moment every time. It just doesn't happen that way.
This is where the service caliber sidearm improves the odds for good guys.With modern performing,well designed bullets,the edge is definetely there. There are many of these loads available that perform with excellance from short barrelled handguns,giving on target results that are hardly descernable from the same load fired from a service size handgun. That is an advantage. You can up your odds of winning also by learning to hit fast without the use of sights
within 7 to 10 yards.
Having the skill to do this is well within the abilities of anyone with normal mobility,but one needs to train in this aspect of shooting in order to be proficiant at it.
Once again,the service calibers are best used for serious defense. It's been shown time and again in the last 15 years or so that with modern well designed ammunition the 9mm,.40S&W,and 45 ACP all achieve about the same result with well placed hits. This cannot be said for the smaller calibers.You're most likely to get not enough penetration with the small hollowpoints or not enough expansion to destroy enough tissue or vital organs fast enough to shut that individual down as rapidly as needed.
If you need to shoot someone,you need to stop him(or her)NOW. I prefer 9mm as I have seen first hand the results of shootings with several types of modern ammo,it carries more boolits,and is cheaper and easier to train with. I love the .45 too,it makes nice large holes,but I prefer more rounds on board.
You pays your money and you takes your choice.The human body is at once both fragile AND resilient,and handguns are all puny.period. Why not stack the odds in your favor?
And,anyone worth shooting is worth firing a burst into. They make the choice themselves.
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04-20-2012, 05:43 PM
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Really guys .. you would stake your life on a small .380 as your sole EDC ???
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This is, in my opinion, one of the two most ridiculous questions repeatedly asked on this, or any, gun forum. (The second is a close companion based on caliber, something like "Really guys... you would stake your life on anything less that .45?") Sometimes the gun/caliber snobbery simply drips off of posts.
For this ridiculous question to have any validity, it must assume a variety of things -- that I cannot shoot the gun well, or that it is incapable of stopping a threat, or that anything else I might carry can be easily concealed. Never assume. You make an... well, you know.
My answer to this ridiculous question is a perfectly sober "yes". My EDC is my BG 380. The reason is very simple: it fits in my pocket. I'm 5' 11" and weigh 153 pounds. I'm a professional who's not going to start wearing baggy clothes just so he can hide a larger gun somewhere. If the Shield fits comfortably in my pocket (of which I am a bit skeptical since the only-slightly-larger 9c is not a good fit) then I will opt to carry it over my BG 380. If it doesn't, then I will continue to carry a gun that I...
... have on my person.
... use in routine practice.
... can put shots on the target.
Last time I checked, this makes this gun a serviceable weapon.
Honestly, if some of you would lower your nose a bit, perhaps we wouldn't see so many of your boogers.
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04-20-2012, 06:03 PM
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There should be more reliance on tactics and awareness, caliber is not the only answer. If caliber was all that mattered you need to get rid of the 9 and get a 40/45. Or sell some guns and move to a safer neighborhood.
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Sir .. that was a bit rude and judgmental of me and my neighborhood. Like *nice* neighborhoods don't experience crime?
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04-20-2012, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeChuck
This is, in my opinion, one of the two most ridiculous questions repeatedly asked on this, or any, gun forum. (The second is a close companion based on caliber, something like "Really guys... you would stake your life on anything less that .45?") Sometimes the gun/caliber snobbery simply drips off of posts.
For this ridiculous question to have any validity, it must assume a variety of things -- that I cannot shoot the gun well, or that it is incapable of stopping a threat, or that anything else I might carry can be easily concealed. Never assume. You make an... well, you know.
My answer to this ridiculous question is a perfectly sober "yes". My EDC is my BG 380. The reason is very simple: it fits in my pocket. I'm 5' 11" and weigh 153 pounds. I'm a professional who's not going to start wearing baggy clothes just so he can hide a larger gun somewhere. If the Shield fits comfortably in my pocket (of which I am a bit skeptical since the only-slightly-larger 9c is not a good fit) then I will opt to carry it over my BG 380. If it doesn't, then I will continue to carry a gun that I...
... have on my person.
... use in routine practice.
... can put shots on the target.
Last time I checked, this makes this gun a serviceable weapon.
Honestly, if some of you would lower your nose a bit, perhaps we wouldn't see so many of your boogers.
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wOw .. First off I own a BG.380 too. So does that un-snob me?
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