Got 1200rds through mine now and it doesn't seem to do it anymore unless I try to make it do it.


Rounds that I have fired through my Shield successfully.

American Eagle 147gr 200rds
Winchester WB 115gr 300rds
Speer Gold Dot 124gr+P 100rds
Federal Champion 115gr 250rds
Aguila Target 124gr 150rds
Winchester SXZ 115gr 100rds
Speer Lawman 124gr 100rds

I have had my Shield since April 13th.

I have to agree with break in and tight tolerances being the Phantom Culprit(Menace). I clean mine after every range trip and lubricate it according to the owners manual. Only issue I have had is the white dot fell out of the sight on the right rear.

Actually, I never even liked M&Ps until the Shield came out. I am a Beretta 92 nut with 9 of them and a PX4. I did once own a SW99, which was a decent gun.

This is not an external safety issue. Some like safeties, some do not. I don't mind them, but do generally like DA/SA guns.

However, as stated before in numerous posts - MANY semi autos of all makes and models will not close the slide automatically if you pull it back a little. And, I've personally had experiences with new leather holsters that can push the slide back when you insert it into the holster. With some break in, this goes away.

If the original guy who started this has a pocket holster that is NOT made out of leather, then he needs a new holster - as nylon and kydex doesn't normally need any break in. Then his holster is too tight.

I have tried all sorts of stuff with my shield since this first started. I pocket carry mine everyday outside of work. Before that, I pocket carried a Kahr PM9. NEITHER gun has ever had the slide come back in any shape or form while sitting in my pocket holster.

This is not about S&W koolaid. I don't have any, actually (I;ve got tons of Beretta koolaid, though )

Its about people who probably don't have much experience with semi autos, looking for a problem that doesn't exist. Then creating their own solutions that probably aren't a good idea.

Now, not every gun is perfect. Will there be some LEGITIMATE problems with the Shield - yes. EVERY gun, no matter how well made, has problems. I had an issue with a $3k 1911 a few years ago, right out of the box. I waited 12 months for it to be built too. People have issues with Glocks, Sigs, and even my loved Berettas can unfortunately have problems for some. Issues are issues. Sometimes brand new guns have teething problems. Ruger has had this a lot in recent years.

But THIS supposed "problem" is ridiculous, IMHO. So yes, I am making light of it..

Well said sir !!

I may have thought twice about posting this here if I knew the outcome. In any case, there is a simple solution to see if this is an issue....

Those of you with a Shield and dummy rounds should holster and unholster the gun around 50 times each with a dummy round in the chamber and a full magazine in the grip. Safety on or off, it dosn't matter and then you can post weather the slide stays out of battery at all during those 50 times.

Report back weather it does or dosn't go out of battery and mention what type of holster you are using as well. I think that's a pretty simple test that might shed some light on this subject.

I have well over your count of 50 using my Crossbreed SuperTuck IWB and never had a problem. The holster is actually for my M&P9 Compact but the Shield fits just fine. Same with my Galco Stinger OWB leather holster. The biggest problem with my Shield is that in the past 2 1/2 weeks I have shot up a ton of ammo and that has lightened my wallet. It's a fun gun to shoot...been shooting it everyday since I brought it home.

Out of all the Shield posts on the many gun forums I have visited, I have yet to find one person who has had a gun fail for any reason. Self-induced problems are not the guns fault.

Mechanical Failure- A malfunction consisting of cracking, excessive displacement, misalignment, loosening, etc.

Went to the range to test. Used a Blackhawks flat belt with my Shield 40 and 9. I holstered after each round fired and never went out of battery. I also was trained to place my thumb over the back of the slide when holstering....during this test I did not. Didn't have a single issue with it going out of battery...although I can manually replicate the issue manually and intentionally. IT'S NOT A DEFECT!!!

Mine's been carried daily for a couple weeks now, and I have practiced from draw on the range. Not once has it come out of battery, either in my quite form-fitting RKBA Kydex holster or in my leather pocket holster. It gets removed from my pocket at the end of each day, still loaded, obviously, as it's a carry gun. It has not gone out of battery. Not once. Not even a little.

Seems to be looking good so far.

Have you held/shot/inspected the Shield? It is not cheap junk and does not shoot like it either. More experienced shooters have put thousands of rounds through M&Ps and other makes such as Glock without ever a cleaning (just good lubing as needed) and these guns continue to run without failure. I don't call that cheap junk.

I tried to make my shield do this and couldn't. But I have 240 rounds through mine already, maybe its a problem with them before they have some rounds through them and I just never noticed. FYI, I am also using a quality pocket holster if that matters. I will continue to carry it!

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My Shield does this also but so does my Glock 27 and most of my other striker fired firearms. Careful holstering makes this a non-issue. I have drawn and holstered from a DeSantis Speed Scabbard made for a M&P9c with no problems whatsoever.

This has been SOooo blown out of proportion that it is silly. My guess would be that S&W CS is just fed up with the phone calls addressing this *issue* making it more difficult to help those who really have a problem.

I own a bunch of different brands of guns....and a Shield. I'd like another KoolAid please.

If they spend the money thay have the right to question it, If they are fed up they can buy it back or people can take their business elsewhere from here on.

This thread is for those that are concerned, thats it!! If you are happy with the way your gun operates move on and let those who think they have an issue voice their opinion, get some answers and find closure.

All of this attacks and calling people morons and assumptions that they do not know what they are doing because you think they have a live round on the chamber when you dont know jack, you are just assuming that is a live round and are prejudging people, once again assuming they have an agenda.

Just ordered another SHIELD today, But I want to find a resolution to this issue, I can live with it but I feel the gun should not do this. Pulling the slide back 1/2 of an inch and it not going into battery should not be called a self induced flaw. It should slide back in place and self align....PERIOD

Many police officers carry their guns on fanny packs off duty. It should not be mandatory to have an approved holster for the gun to operate properly, because it would not fire. GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.

Proper function of the weapon is co-dependant of a S&W approved holster. DOES NOT SOUND RIGHT

I have spend over $2500.00 in guns in the last 2 months finding the right CC. I love the SHIELD, but I want to find a solutions to this concern.

Video from last year from another concerned owner with a different M&P.. EXACT SAME ISSUE

[Update] M&P Failure To Go Into Battery Issue - YouTube

Agree. It's not just the Shield. I own 8 and all 8 do it. I've had several conversations with Smith and other gunsmiths. They don't consider it a defect or a flaw that affects the functioning of the firearm. Keep hoping for a fix but it ain't going to happen.

I can replicate the same problem with my Beretta 92FS. Non issue.

Totally agree.

I've got a great solution. Learn the Israeli Draw. Problem solved.

I can guarantee that 99.9% of the people on this forum will never present their weapon in self defense. Put your damn thumb on back of the barrel when holstering like you were taught and stop the bitchin!

I've tried to make my shield do this and had a hard time making it happen. Only happened maybe 1 in 5 times. I just have about 150 rds through it, but I'm guessing it will be fine after a couple hundred more rounds. I didn't try it before firing, but if I had to venture a guess it probably happened consistently at first, and will disappear over time. I am still more than pleased with my shield and it will continue to be my everyday carry for the foreseeable future. I am still confident enough in its reliability to bet my life on it.

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Did you have your clip loaded in the SHIELD??

May be its the nature of the beast. I am so convinced that the issue is with the spring on the extractor. Need to get me another spring soon.

I had to use my weapon 15 year ago to prevent bein carjacked and discharge it. Sometimes there is no time for no Israeli draw. Wonder if George Zimmerman pulled that one when his head was being banged on the concrete.

It's a Magazine, not a "Clip"

What are your qualifications to make such a statement??


More information than we need to know and why off the topic. Why not put your computer on Standby and give it a rest! This issue has gotten way out of hand and some of the comments being made here are just plain ridiculous!

You do mean *mag* not clip

I have a better idea. Why not find a different pot to stir?

Now that's funny right there that is. It don't matter who you are that's just funny!
It should be called "Idiotic Draw", or "Get yerseff killed draw", or even "I wish like hell I had thought this through before I did it draw".

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Get yourself a revolver, hold it in such a way that the flame from the gap cuts your finger in two, then sue S&W for a faulty weapon. Oh yeah do it on national tv. There is no such thing as an idiot proof weapon. Lube it properly like in the instruction book, use prudence when holstering and for gods sake don't carry a pistol in your pocket without a proper holster. As I see it, the gripe has to do with holstering not unholstering as in self defense. I guess if you see a threat you grab your pistol and shove it in the holster then pull it out quickly. The whole thread seems to me a non-issue.

You are correct mag!

I've watched this thread from the start and at first was concerned, but as time & posts have continued I no longer am. As it is has been said to me it is a non issue. Too many other guns can produce the same behavior. So for me I'm more interested as to when I can finally get to the range, and also get some extra mags. For me this topic is so done.

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As far as I have read, no one can make it happen when holstering or unholstering. What I see in the video reminds me of what happens if I don't place enough pressure on my car door when I close it. It hangs up on the first latch and fails to close completely. Of course, anyone can make theirs do that and it is expected that we will figure out how to properly close a car door.

The supposed "defect" that is being induced is just the act of carefully balancing the springs against the friction.

Anyone truly concerned about this and whether it will be a problem in a "real world" situation should do as others have suggested, practice drawing 50, 500, 5000 times. Whatever it takes to convince you that this is a parlor trick and nothing more.

And to those who insist that even if it works 5000 out of 5000 times, that this is not enough evidence to convince you that this supposed "issue" doesn't need to be "fixed" well, ...

I'm glad someone appreciates good sarcasm. It just shows you how way off track these forums can go.

Now can we please end this one? It's not an issue!

Maybe I can start a new thread titled..."Israeli Draw, Your An Idiot Not To Use It.". I bet that will give members something new to go off the deep end with.

My 40c and 9c don't have this issue. The 40c was bought used and is thrashed at the range with SWC's as often as I can go. The 9c is brand new and only has the first 50 WWB through it. I can't even get either one to come close to this problem. I tried it on my 1911's, 92FS, PT92, and a few others. The 92FS started to hang up but snapped forward after a half second's pause.

Yes, the clip was loaded when I tried it. I agree with bluejax. It's nothing more than a parlor trick. Under normal PROPER operation, this will be a non issue.

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If any of my M&P's did it I would have them REPAIRED.
Why would I stake my life on a weapon that may not fire?

I understand you guys can make other guns do this. I can make my semi-auto rifles do this too. But I don't put my rifle in my pocket or on my waist and expect to have to pull it out to defend my life while I'm being stabbed.

Gun comes out, gun goes bang, no worries about being in battery or not. Anything less is not acceptable to me. Your milage may vary.

Yes, but I CANNOT make mine do this by putting it into or removing it from a holster, either a pocket holster or my OWB kydex holster. I have tried, multiple times. The ONLY way I can make it go out of battery is by pushing the slide back manually, and it takes enough force that I have zero worries about it happening by accident.

What is the "Israeli draw"? I'm assuming it's dumb.

Carry chamber empty, and rack the slide when drawing the pistol.

pistol-training.com * Blog Archive * The “Israeli” Draw

People leave the chamber empty, then they delude themselves that if something happens, they WILL have time to not only draw the gun, FULLY work the slide to chamber a round (and not short stroke it in a situation full of stress and adrenaline) and THEN get the gun on target to shoot...

Yep. That sure is dumb. Might as well chuck the gun at the bad guy.

Better get a 1911, 'cause plastic guns are too light and don't make as good of hammers

This thread is turning into a real soap opera!!!

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It was from the start.

This entire thread is based on the OP stating the gun was taken from their pocket and the slide was out of battery.

It doesn't matter to me if you always have your thumb on the slide.

It doesn't matter if Versace himself designed you a holster so perfect the slide is pampered into position.

It doesn't matter to me if you can easily push the slide forward.

If I can pull my life-saving-device from my pocket, backpack, from the ground or wherever it happens to be, and bump it, rub it, maybe I'm pinned down and I have to drag the gun across the slide to point it at the bad guy, whatever! If it EVER doesn't go bang I can't depend on it!

If somehow the gun can be repetitively made to be completely inoperable, I don't want to bet my life on it when there are so many other guns that don't have this flaw. Period. I can't believe I'm reading when you say "Yes, I easily moved the slide an 1/8" and the gun didn't reset itself and will not fire, but I trust it with my life".

My M&P's do not do this. I'll carry one of them or a revolver. If I had a gun that did this I would have it repaired or sell it.

It's a flaw. Get over it.

It's as bad as a safety that comes on at random. Sure you can be sure to swipe the safety off every time, just like you better be sure to push the slide forward on your defective semi-auto's.

I'll carry a gun that doesn't require babysitting, but goes bang when I need it to.

I really thought many of you were more realistic than this. It's a flaw that CAN be fixed.

I suppose then that my Glock, XD, XDM, Ruger, and Taurus firearms which exhibit this behavior are all flawed even though they all have gone bang when it was required of them. I also would not foolishly pocket a firearm without a holster. The supposed flaw has never been exhibited when drawing out of a holster.

Never is a big word.

When a guy can make a firearm fail so easily what good is it?

My 9c slide moves in my Mika holster, but it always goes back into battery. If it didn't, I wouldn't carry it. That's my position, you can do as you wish.

But I see some of the same people who will not have a safety because of the chance it may click on, or it may take 1/1000 of a second to take off, those same people are saying a gun that may not work because the slide return spring is too weak or the slide is binding, well that's okay.

I'm saying on a SD weapon it isn't for me. On a range gun, fine! Hunting gun, fine! Lifesaver I need to depend on? No way.

Mine do not move at all while in a holster and I make sure they are in battery when they are holstered as prudence and my training calls for. I depend on them in and out of the field on a daily basis. If my holster behaved like yours I would replace that as it seems it is not snug enough. Scratch that, I do not have time to replace my holster since I need to get rid of all of my faulty firearms. That is going to be a lot of work.

EXACTLY. I am with you 100%.

Israeli carry...

We called it Condition 3 in the USN. At least it was better than Condition 4 where you couldn't have the mag in the gun.