M&P Compact 357 Sig, Should I get it???

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Hi everybody, my 1st post...
I was in the Police Equipment store last week looking for a S&W Shield .40 and was introduced to this pistol.

S&W M&Pc 357Sig with No Thumb Safety
NIB and comes with:
3 10 Round Magazines
Standard S&W Night Sights front and back
3 sizes of interchangeable Backstraps
The price is $599.00
As a Veteran I get it for $499.00 + 6% tax

Is this a good deal?
I can't find info on it or anything comparable in my internet searches.

I did research the Ammo and see that it is the Ammo used by the Secret Service, Air Marshals, and many State Police Agencies.
I've read that the 357Sig have a Big Muzzle Flash and a Very Loud Bang and that it will do its job after penetrating a Windshield or Automotive Glass.

I like the looks of this pistol.
I don't like the Short barrel of the Shield. It looks lop-sided to me.
I really like the feel of this pistol in my hand.
It would be used for Home-defense/CCW.

Your experience and or thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Rich
 
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With the night sites and three mags I would say that is a good deal. CDNN has them for a while at $399 but I only see the full size in there current catalog. A lot of the .357 Sig M&Ps have been on closeout for a while and could be had for under $429. But I don't see those deals around a lot right now.

But don't discount the Shield. I have all sizes of M&Ps and I love them all. I also have all three calibers and will say the same thing. Didn't realize I would like the .357 Sig as well as I do. But it is a fun round to shoot.
 
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My question would be why would you want it? Expensive Ammo, excessive flash/noise and poor resale, .357 Sig guns sit on shelves forever. It's also not going to be pleasant to shoot in a compact for most people.

As far as the caliber goes, it does little +P 9mm doesn't and less than 10mm can. I have zero idea why Air Marshals would carry the caliber, it's the exact opposite of what they need. State Police etc carry it for enhanced penetration, I note you mentioned car windows. That's fine in a LE situation, if you shoot through car windows etc, odds are you are going to jail. You are allowed to defend yourself, once the contact breaks off, if you continue to engage, you're done. Other than the highly unlikely scenario of someone trying to run you over, it's hard to imagine another scenario where you will be called on to window shoot. In any event, +P 9mm does the job well for penetration and can be loaded with ammo that won't cut through multiple walls.

My other thought would be do want a round that will go through walls in your home into other rooms or worse yet, your neighbors house?

I'm not saying .357 SIG is a bad caliber and in some specialized situations it's a fine choice, but not in the role you described as a CCW/HD choice.

Just my opinion, it's ultimately your choice.
 
I should say, I've owned a M&P in .357 Sig, I found it to be redundant with my 9&10mm's and more expensive too shoot, again, JMO.
 
If you really want a .357 Sig I would say buy it. Ammo is expensive but, for another $66 you can buy a .40 cal barrel from midway and shoot that at the range (or for whatever you want really). they're in stock now. Also, when they come back into stock you can buy a 9mm barrel for the same price, pick up a couple 9mm mags, and now you can shoot 9mm for practice. I don't think the 357 barrels are available for the compact anymore. You can see the barrels here http://www.midwayusa.com/find?dimen...imensionId=3418&promotionId=&userSearchQuery=
 
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The price is very good, Is it the pro series? As for ammo- cost is about the same as a 40 SW, flash/recoil/penetration are all a factor of which load you are using. If you compare corbon/winchester 135 gr 40 SW and a 125gr 357 sig you will find they are about the same. The cartridge was developed to simulate a 357 mag in an auto pistol, since the 357 mag had the best ONE shot stop percentage. The 40 SW became the comfortable in between for a greater majority of LE. Most departments will not spend ( or have ) the money to give adequate training to their officers to work with a higher intensity cartridge. Depending on what your duty weapon is and your experience will determine how long it takes to be proficient. Also the option to use plentiful 40 SW mags is a plus. Also 9mm are notorious for OVER PENETRATION. Getting a spare 40 SW barrel might be a good idea. You can look at NIJ stats on use, effectiveness of various calibers. As for resale it depends on your market, there are many 9/40's for sale and few 357 sigs. It is a good cartridge as the 40 and 45 acp are, all are effective if used correctly. Be Safe,
 
The price is not that great. You can buy them new with three mags, free shipping and no tax for $455 :
http://www.budspolicesupply.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/4_8/products_id/84

The .40 and .357 are essentially the same gun. The barrels swap easily, and S&W sells them as a kit with both barrels. You can also drop a factory 9mm barrel in either one.

Night sights are nice, and that's how I have been buying my M&P's lately. $455 with night sights for .40, .357 and 9mm. The .45's are a bit more and come with only two mags.

Take a look at Bud's Police Supply. I've bought a lot of guns from them and they ship fast.

EDIT: I see the 45c listed on Bud's says it comes with three mags... May have to pick up one of those!
 
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Go for it!

It looks like descent deal to me. Night sights are a nice+. I would highly recommend finding a extra 9mm(and/or .40) barrel and 9mm magazines. The extra 9mm barrel will sure add to practice ammo and the M&P compacts are sweet shooters no mater what caliber your shooting.

The only thing about the .357 I don't like is the availability, cost and diversity of ammo. Sometimes it hard to find cheap "Walmart" target ammo and good quality self defense choices such as "Ranger" and "HST". It's hit or miss if you ask me. YMMV.
 
Concerning the Air Marshals choice of the 357SIG caliber, that is for its excellent barrier penetration. Shooting to stop a terrorist through plane seat backs and other areas may be a reality for the Air Marshals. Also the rounds reputation for rapid incapacitation is a plus.

I love the caliber and enjoy shooting it. Reloading is the way to go in shooting lots of 357SIG. I can use the same bullet, primer, and powder as my 9mm-just more powder. Bill
 
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I love the caliber and enjoy shooting it. Reloading is the way to go in shooting lots of 357SIG. I can use the same bullet, primer, and powder as my 9mm-just more powder. Bill
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This was also what I was gonna suggest. You can deffinately get a lot more bang for your buck reloading.
 
The Sarge said:
Concerning the Air Marshals choice of the 357SIG caliber, that is for its excellent barrier penetration. Shooting to stop a terrorist through plane seat backs and other areas may be a reality for the Air Marshals. Also the rounds reputation for rapid incapacitation is a plus.

I love the caliber and enjoy shooting it. Reloading is the way to go in shooting lots of 357SIG. I can use the same bullet, primer, and powder as my 9mm-just more powder. Bill
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A bunch of people crammed together in a pressurized tin can and a round known for penetration presents obvious issues, it's as broad as it is long. Reputation aside, studies by experts in controlled situations shows it to have no better incapacitating results than the other major services calibers.

If .357 SIG is the round that gives you the most security, then by all means, use it. I would. I'm giving the guy the other side of the coin/counter argument, not downing the round or you Sarge, just so you know. I carry the 10mm myself, it has it's share of detractors and proponents as well.
 
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