Bullet Weight & Muzzle Energy & Recoil

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I like to use practice ammo that has the least amount of recoil so I can shoot for a longer period of time. I shoot Winchester .40 S&W which comes in 165 and 180 grain choices.
165 grain has a muzzle energy of 412.
180 grain has a muzzle energy of 390.
So . . . . which one would produce the least recoil?
Thanks.
 
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They produce the same amount of felt recoil. FPE of 412 + 392 are essentially the same number. FPE= velocity squared X bullet wt in grains divide by 450400. Have someone load your mag 10 rds- with a mix of 165 vs 180 see if you can tell. They could prob load all the same and you would think that one or more felt heavier. Be Safe,
 
The lighter bullet is moving faster out of the barrel, and produces a little more energy. The normal rule of thumb, is the heavier weight bullet will produce more felt recoil, than a lighter weight bullet (laws of physics). That is under the assumption that all else remains the same, just a bullet weight swap. The difference in felt recoil should be very minimal between 165 grain to 180 grain weights. With low cost practice ammo, you don't usually get many choices in bullet weights, and I doubt you could tell the difference in felt recoil. Normal factory 40 practice ammunition specs around 1000 fps and 400 ft lbs of energy. If you check around, I think I have seen some 40 practice ammo in the 350 to 370 ft lbs energy range, which should produce less felt recoil.

I use CorBon for all my SD ammunition. In 40 S&W with a 135 gr JHP bullet, it produces 1325 fps and 526 ft lbs of energy. As the CorBon bullet weights go up, the foot pounds of energy and speed goes down. You can really feel the difference in felt recoil, using this ammunition, versus standard practice ammo. I also use CorBon +P 9mm 115gr JHP, which has 1350 fps and 466 ft lbs energy, and also Corbon +P 45acp 165 gr JHP, which has1250 fps and 573 ft pounds energy.

Bob
 
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The recoil is more closely related to momentum of the shot bullet than the energy. That's why competitive shooting is based on "power factor" which is (bullet weight in grains) x (muzzle velocity in feet/second) / 1000.

I've done this with my M&P 40/9. A load of 3g Clays with a 180g bullet has a PF of 138. When I load a 120g 9mm bullet to the same PF, the recoil feels almost exactly the same. The advantage I have here is same gun with the same feel and same weight.

With these loads, the 9mm round has 1.5 times as much energy as the 40 round so if energy were the determining factor, the 9mm load ought to have felt 50% stronger, but it didn't.

Edit - sorry for leaving this off: Since these will essentially feel the same, my recommendation is to use whatever is less expensive. My original thoughts were to use whatever feels close to your defensive rounds. In reality what's important is to be familiar with the operation of the gun when it comes to drawing, shooting, clearing jams and reloading. Don't use excessively low recoil loads, but anything close to what you want to carry would be satisfactory.
 
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If you load your mag with a 180 and then a 165, you will probably feel a difference. This is because they are fired in such close time frame to each other.

However, if you load one mag with one and another with the other, I doubt you will notice a difference. Certainly not a significant one.

Besides, don't you want to practice with what you're gonna use? I would understand not using expensive hollow point depleted uranium explosive rounds for practice, but you should at least use the same weight.
 
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