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Old 02-02-2014, 10:23 PM
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My mp9c shoots low & to the left. I thought maybe it was just me, but somebody else fired a half dozen rounds thru my gun & confirmed this.

I know the rear sights can be adjusted for windage, but what about elevation? Any recommendations greatly appreciated.
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Old 02-02-2014, 10:33 PM
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I suspect that both you and the other shooter are at fault.

People tend to stick too much finger through the trigger guard. The trigger on a M&P has a certain amount of travel before it breaks, not much but enough that a right handed shooter expecting a glass rod break will pull the shot low-left.

Also, the sights are set of so that you align the three dots and use a center hold with expected point of impact underneath the center dot. Practice dry firing and concentrate on holding the sights correctly and you will be a lot closer to POA at your next trip to the range.
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Learn to shoot better. It's you not the pistol. Use the search function and you will see a lot of threads on the same subject. Search on the web for shooting correction target and print it out and shoot it to see where you are having trouble.
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+1 with the opinion that it's probably not the gun. I have, as many do, a variety of stuff from revolvers to 1911's to PPK's to 3rd gens to M&P's. Each has it's own characteristics to be learned and mastered. Shooting DA with the revolvers helped me the most to be better with all types of firing mechanisms seeing as the DA pull requires control and practice to be proficient. For me the 3rd gens can drift left and the M&P's can drift low and left if I get loose or lazy. The 1911's are...well...1911's...and are easiest to shoot well. After some practice with each I can now pretty much flip from one to another without missing a beat.

This isn't to say it can't be the gun but it's not likely. As others have said there are many, many threads on the very same topic and it's usually the shooter getting used to the gun. Bench it or sandbag it and I would wager you would find it at POA.

If any of this advice is found to be unhelpful or inaccurate I will disavow any knowledge of this post. Good luck, Jim!


edit: I have a 40c and a 357c that are both very accurate and shoot ragged holes at POA if I do my part.

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two things;

Practice dry firing. The sights should still be pointing at the same point after you pull the trigger.

At the range, try shooting a few rounds from a sandbag.

These should tell you if it's you or the 9c.

Good shooting!

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Welcome to the forum. I think you will find a lot of helpful and/or knowledgeable folks here.

As stated above, use the search function. Your issue has been raised several times.

Read This Thread

It is on page 2.

It will take you a while to get used to search and review usage and taking advantage of previous post's responses.
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you maybe anticipating your shot. as you pull/squeeze the trigger you may slightly be pulling the pistol down resulting low shots on the target. try using the tips of your fingers to pull the trigger. im sure results will be much improved.
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My mp9c shoots low & to the left. I thought maybe it was just me, but somebody else fired a half dozen rounds thru my gun & confirmed this.
Shoot it with your weak hand and see if it still shoots low/left.
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I benched my 9c on sandbags and it did shoot left but elevation was okay. With a lot of work I was able to drift the rear sight and started grouping dead center.

Smith must have a 800 pound gorilla with a hydraulic press seating those sights.
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That sounds right. I have personally had to slightly adjust my sight a bit but only fine tune them. Yes S&W sights are one of the toughest I have ever had to adjust.


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I benched my 9c on sandbags and it did shoot left but elevation was okay. With a lot of work I was able to drift the rear sight and started grouping dead center.

Smith must have a 800 pound gorilla with a hydraulic press seating those sights.
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You may be right. The other shooter said he was used to shooting Glocks, not MPs.
Going too check the alignment with a micrometer. If it's centered, then it must be me.
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That sounds right. I have personally had to slightly adjust my sight a bit but only fine tune them. Yes S&W sights are one of the toughest I have ever had to adjust.
That may be a good thing. Once set, they won't move.
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When all else fails ( not every person's vision is exactly the same)
1) Adjust the windage.
2) If elevation adjustment is a problem, find ammo that hits to POA , change your sight picture or simply hold higher.
Handguns are strange in relation to where they look and where they hit. Just because things are centered and lined up , does not gaurentee that is where the bullet will land. It doesn't have to be you. That is why most guns have sights that are adjustable ...if not every gun would have fixed non-adjustable sights.
Don't give up , there is a solution.

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Saw one post some where where a guy said put the front site ON the target, not under. That helped a lot. Now shooting hi and to the right! No, seriously, i'm getting pretty good spread on a 6 inch target. Just have to keep practicing!

Thanks to everybody for your help.
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If you check your sights and think it's you causing the problem you might want to look at this pistol correction chart for a right-handed shooter. It has helped me a bit and I initially had the problem of low left like you.

http://www.is-lan.com/challenge/imag...Correction.pdf
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Heavier bullets tend to shoot higher. So you can adjust the windage, and then try heavier bullets to get POA. But I think as you get more practice the problem might go away (at least partially) on it's own.
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I benched my 9c on sandbags and it did shoot left but elevation was okay. With a lot of work I was able to drift the rear sight and started grouping dead center.

Smith must have a 800 pound gorilla with a hydraulic press seating those sights.
Your option will no doubt work for your weapon. Your are changing sights to compensate for your 'error'. That will work fine unless you change guns, and then you will be low left again.

I don't mean to sound critical. As indicated by the other responses, this is a common issue.
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My mp9c shoots low & to the left. I thought maybe it was just me, but somebody else fired a half dozen rounds thru my gun & confirmed this.
Just a couple of questions:

At what distance were you shooting?

How low and how to the left were the shots hitting in relation to where you wanted to hit?

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Just a couple of questions:

At what distance were you shooting?

How low and how to the left were the shots hitting in relation to where you wanted to hit?

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Off by about 2" @ 7 yards.
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As I said earlier, I'm putting front site dot ON the target rather than under it. Also had problems with the way I was holding the pistol & pulling the trigger. Now getting good spread on 6" target @ 7 yards.
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What weight bullet were you shooting?

In general the lighter weight bullet will shoot lower and the heavier higher.

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