m&p9 what a let down

bigmickengland · #1 01-31-2015, 04:28 PM

Hey y'all , my first gun was a m&p22 I loved every thing about it , put thousands of rounds through it with out a single problem . Today I had enough money to get the m&p9 which I'd always wanted . What a disappointment , straight out of the box rounds hit 2 1/2 " low and you cand adjust the sights for elevation . The trigger I was never sure when it was going to go bang and no audible reset . I'm going to give it a good cleaning and try again but so far I feel let down by all the hype about the m&p9

AR-Getsome · #2 01-31-2015, 04:43 PM

WOW! Welcome to the forum. First post hmmmm....
Look at the attachment, not trying to hurt your feelings but its you and not the pistol that is shooting low. There is a difference in recoil in the 22lr and 9mm. There are a bunch of threads here of members shooting low left etc.Try dry firing a couple hundred times and see if your sight moves when you pull the trigger. In the end you may want to have the Apex kit installed in your pistol. It will give you a lighter and soother trigger. How new is your pistol? What is the date on the fired casing envelope?

Ranger17 · #3 01-31-2015, 05:08 PM

OP have you had anyone else shoot the new pistol to see if it is gun or shooter? I had same concern when i first tried my 9c after doing well with my Buckmark 22, had a range worker try the 9 and it was dead on. So me being low and a little left was all me. Practice and rounds are getting me where i need to be.
But AR is correct it is often the shooter being low at first. Good luck!

walkin' trails · #4 01-31-2015, 05:18 PM

I got my 9FS about a hear and a half ago with the factory 3-dot sights. The trigger was gritty out of the box, but smoothed out after 20 rounds. As far as shooting low, all of mine have hit point of aim..

tna0066 · #5 01-31-2015, 06:51 PM

I went from a M&P22 to a 9mm also. I shot it low and left. I readjusted my grip on the gun, took my time and am going back to basics with shooting and i am improving. I don't blame the pistol at all, I blame me. Keep going at it and you'll get there.

ATF · #6 01-31-2015, 07:25 PM

You don't mention what distance you were firing at and what weight ammo you are using and what your POA was. If it was shooting consistently 2.5" low it's not the M&P.

Rastoff · #7 01-31-2015, 08:19 PM

Did you shoot it from a rest?

Lee in Quartzsite · #8 01-31-2015, 08:54 PM

Try a different Back-strap to change your grip on the gun. Let someone else shoot it and see the results. Seriously doubt it is the fault of the gun.......

schgsd · #9 01-31-2015, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AR-Getsome

Look at the attachment,

Hey thanks for that! I did a little google work and found both right and left hand versions. Never knew something like that existed.

AR-Getsome · #10 01-31-2015, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by schgsd

Hey thanks for that! I did a little google work and found both right and left hand versions. Never knew something like that existed.

Keep is posted on what the outcome is.

bigdaddybluesman · #11 02-01-2015, 12:13 AM

Most every time a shooter says the gun shoots this or that it's the shooter. Many times they use cheap ammo, many times they go from a light shooting round to a heavier round, like .22 to 9mm.

It's probably you, go back to basics and work on your trigger control and feeling for the reset. Make sure you do no take your finger off the trigger, just feel for the reset. The newer M&P have a better what's called tactile feel to the trigger reset than before.

Go slow and work on how you hold it and developing muscle memory. The best way is to watch great shooters at the range and some Youtube videos on shooting with people like Jerry Miculek.

Shoot, shoot and shoot some more. use good ammo. Like anything from Federal, Winchester even Magtech and some others. They are more consistent and provide proper velocity. Going from cheap low velocity ammo to a high quality JHP which is hotter can also make you shoot poorly.

aceridr50 · #12 02-01-2015, 12:37 AM

I know exactly how you felt. I too was extremely dissatisfied with the M&P 9 the first time I went to the range with it. After the 3rd or 4th time I was still unhappy with my groupings so I decided I was going to have to do something with it. The Apex FSS kit is without a doubt the best thing you can do to this gun. I was lucky to shoot 6"-8" groups out of the box at 7 yds. With the Apex kit I'm shooting consistent 2" groups. It's a totally different gun. As far as installing the kit watch a couple of Youtube videos and you can do it with no problems.

bigdaddybluesman · #13 02-01-2015, 02:34 PM

I prefer not having to do work to a $500 or so gun. But some M&Ps do need trigger work. Everybody has different needs and not every gun will allow you to shoot it well.

Before you put money into the gun make sure your technique is sound and you are using quality ammo. Practice in front of a mirror and dry fire the gun to make sure you are shooting correctly. Some use snap caps with live ammo at the range to visualize their technique. By it not being a live round you can see if indeed the gun moves during the firing sequence.

The information to shoot properly is out there, you have to find it and use it. Sifting through the BS on forums and places like Youtube can be difficult. Everybody has an opinion and most people know what is good for them. Only you can know what is good for you. Part of the journey is finding this out, the more you self-discover the better the foundation of your knowledge will be.

just for fun · #14 02-01-2015, 06:03 PM

It's been awhile ago when a fellow club member showed up with a new, just released, skinny Taurus 9mm. (7-24?) shot low left. A total of four people shot that little gun and it shot low left for all of us, at 15 yds. Maybe not so much myself, but two of the four are in a class of outstanding shooters. Same story, low left. Took the gun back and did an up scale trade in. Most of the time YES to the shooter, not always

Rastoff · #15 02-01-2015, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by just for fun

It's been awhile ago when a fellow club member showed up with a new, just released, skinny Taurus 9mm. (7-24?) shot low left. A total of four people shot that little gun and it shot low left for all of us, at 15 yds. Maybe not so much myself, but two of the four are in a class of outstanding shooters. Same story, low left. Took the gun back and did an up scale trade in. Most of the time YES to the shooter, not always

I agree that sometimes it's the gun. However, the only way to know is to shoot it from a rest. I don't care how great a shooter a person is, they will induce error. And, they might be a great shot with their gun that they've been using for years, but introduce a new trigger and it's a new ball game.

PastureOfMuppets · #16 02-02-2015, 07:05 AM

Change the sites for elevation?

It's not a precision target pistol. Something tells me you may need to get used to the trigger on the new gun.

Hand it to a solid shooter or two at the range before getting upset about the gun...

Also, what distance are we talking? I mean... if you're a 2.5" low at 300 yards with a 9mm M&P, you're outshooting me and I don't know many people that can help you.

fdw · #17 02-02-2015, 08:15 AM

I wouldn't judge a quality gun on one day out. It seems like everything new I buy "doesn't shoot quite right" when I first get it but I find after numerous trips to the range the "gun dramatically improves"

catcus-jack · #18 02-02-2015, 08:26 AM

No matter what you hear an audible reset is not important.I have shot thousands of rounds through several pistols during many different competitions and never once heard a reset on any of the pistols.

walkin' trails · #19 02-02-2015, 09:47 AM

I will add to my previous post to say that I've only had one incident where my FS 9 was shooting low and it wasn't me. The pistol had a set of Heinie Ledge sights at the time. They were good at 25 yards, and I thought at 50. Went to a match last year whee one stage started with a piece of steel at 50. I couldn't hit for the first 5-6 rounds, and the range officer finally said I was consistently hitting low. I raised my point of aim and fired twice for two good steel-ringing hits. Granted, 50 is not a commonly encountered distance for a polymer duty pistol. Anyway, I have found that stock sights on an M&P are regulated to most common ammo configurations. While the overall accuracy of the FS 9 is open for debate, consistently shooting low is not a problem I have encountered.

diggler1833 · #20 02-02-2015, 03:10 PM

This is the reason why Apex makes money off of trigger kits.

My M&P40 was a disappointment until I put the FSS trigger kit in it.

Lee in Quartzsite · #21 02-02-2015, 03:59 PM

So what happened to "bigmickengland" ? He makes his first post on the Forum, gets 20 guys to comment and hasn't been heard from since.

shawnfergie · #22 02-02-2015, 04:17 PM

I bought my M&P Pro 5" a few months ago and both the front and rear sight are slightly towards to right, when aiming. I was consistently placing shots low and left about 3". I had a buddy of mine shoot the gun and he hit bullseyes for three magazines. I doubt it is the gun. I just need more practice.

redwood0_7 · #23 02-02-2015, 05:14 PM

Someone suggested trying different back strap. Definitly try that. I always considered myself as having small hands so used the small back strap. And shot pretty well. One day I put the medium strap on and my shooting really improved. Changed the position of my index finger.

PastureOfMuppets · #24 02-02-2015, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by catcus-jack

No matter what you hear an audible reset is not important.I have shot thousands of rounds through several pistols during many different competitions and never once heard a reset on any of the pistols.

There is a great way to use audible reset.

If you can hear the reset, you're not shooting fast enough.

Seriously, using tactile reset is pretty much a tactical noobie thing. Muscle memory should be doing all the work once you know where it is.

IamCaleb · #25 02-02-2015, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AR-Getsome

WOW! Welcome to the forum. First post hmmmm....
Look at the attachment, not trying to hurt your feelings but its you and not the pistol that is shooting low. There is a difference in recoil in the 22lr and 9mm. There are a bunch of threads here of members shooting low left etc.Try dry firing a couple hundred times and see if your sight moves when you pull the trigger. In the end you may want to have the Apex kit installed in your pistol. It will give you a lighter and soother trigger. How new is your pistol? What is the date on the fired casing envelope?

Here is the chart that I use.....

guidedfishing · #26 02-02-2015, 10:06 PM

Guys original OP one post on 1/31, drops an egg and no follow up. I think your being trolled, doubt if he really wanted help, just wanted to P&M.

ralph7 · #27 02-02-2015, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee in Quartzsite

So what happened to "bigmickengland" ? He makes his first post on the Forum, gets 20 guys to comment and hasn't been heard from since.

Y'ain't seen him around Quartzsite, huh??

ironhead7544 · #28 02-03-2015, 07:12 AM

A lot of handguns have adjustable sights. There is a reason for that.

Sights may need to be adjusted to your eye and hold. For a carry gun, you will draw it quickly and shoot. It must hit where you aim. Set up your sights for yourself. You may have to swap out the sights to get a zero. Nothing unusual about that. Different grips may also help get on target.

Changing ammo bullet weight can change where you hit. You can try that for a zero. I like to have a handgun zero of 25 yards where the bullet hits just above the center of the front sight. Check at other distances to see how to hold for a good hit.

ATF · #29 02-03-2015, 09:23 AM

Seems like BigMickEngland shot himself in the foot but missed by 2.5"

RaginRog · #30 02-03-2015, 10:18 AM

Shoot it...a lot. Get a couple of hundred rounds through it and then pass judgement. Whether it has been a S&W revolver, Sig, or M&P they all took a little to break in and for me to adjust to it.

RaginRog · #31 02-03-2015, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ironhead7544

A lot of handguns have adjustable sights. There is a reason for that.

Sights may need to be adjusted to your eye and hold. For a carry gun, you will draw it quickly and shoot. It must hit where you aim. Set up your sights for yourself. You may have to swap out the sights to get a zero. Nothing unusual about that. Different grips may also help get on target.

Changing ammo bullet weight can change where you hit. You can try that for a zero. I like to have a handgun zero of 25 yards where the bullet hits just above the center of the front sight. Check at other distances to see how to hold for a good hit.

+1 on the ammo. My M&P pro seems to be more accurate when I use 124 gr and 147 gr ammo.