TS or NTS in full-size?

Yeah, I asked it, but not for the normal reasons.

I intend to buy a FS 9mm. And it'll be as much of a range toy as anything else. I may eventually put Apex parts in it or send it to David Bowie for a trigger job. If I make the trigger light enough, I'd probably prefer a TS. But I'd also like to be able to run it without a TS.

Can I correctly assume that it's much easier to REMOVE a TS from a model that originally came with it, vs. ADDING a TS to a model that didn't come with it? I understand that the sear blocks on new guns are supposed to be universal, but they used to be specific to TS or NTS models, is that correct?

I think I'm looking at either a 206031 (TS) or a 209301 (NTS).

Thanks.

You are correct. But both style sear blocks are pretty much available. Maybe not the minute you want it, but they can be found.

I bought both my FS & C .40's WTS. Removed them both, added plugs and karma'd them away.

Thx; I think I've decided to buy one with a thumb safety, and then I have the option of going either way with it.

GREAT CHOICE!!!!!! and good reasoning!

Here is my take, I bought my very 1st with TS because I was a newb. It was more for my safety than anything else. Then when I bought the 2nd, I got the TS so I wouldn't have to think about which gun I was carrying, (training and all, didn't want to have to think, just react).

I found that after I was more proficient and followed the 4 rules as a way of life instead of having to think about it, with normal day to day movements, those big "gun boats" (although great and easy to use) would just as likely be in the fire position as in the safe position. Regular moving, sitting down or getting out of the car, restaurant seat/booth etc. I found myself constantly checking the position.

Since I NEVER put my finger inside the trigger guard, except when I MEAN to, I decided to remove them, but DO NOT regret for 1 minute having them when I bought the guns.

Back to your regular scheduled program..........(rant over)!!!

hokiefyd said:

Thx; I think I've decided to buy one with a thumb safety, and then I have the option of going either way with it.

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I bought a 206301 last night (9mm WTS). Another reason I like the TS is I also shoot some 1911s and may own a 1911 myself one day. The manual of arms will be the same. I've also got my eye on an M&P 22 Compact, and it comes with a TS. The manual of arms will be the same.

My new gun has a production date of 05/13/2014, which is exactly 9 days before my Shield was born. It has the 'H' trigger bar, the barrel has one drill mark under the chamber, and the sear seems to have an 'R' on the lug that rides the trigger bar ramp. I didn't find any references to an 'R' sear...I'll have to keep looking.

There is some wiggle of the slide on the front slide rails. I can move the slide left and right just a tiny bit when the gun is in battery. All of them at the store seemed to do this, so it seems to be normal. My Shield doesn't do that, so that behavior is new to me. I understand slide-to-frame fit or tightness is over-rated, and what counts most is the barrel-to-slide fit. Maybe that's just what guys with loose guns say...

I'm very impressed with the trigger. Compared with my Shield, there's very little over-travel to this trigger. It breaks way back (which I sort of like) with a very crisp snap. There is some flex to the trigger/trigger bar when you're trying to overcome the wall, which I could do without. The trigger feels about the same as, or maybe a ~touch~ lighter than, my Shield's trigger. Reset is positive with a nice click. It's not quite Glock crisp, but it's certainly there. I'm not a reset junkie...just an observation.

I love-love-love the extended (and ~wide~) beavertail. One of my complaints about the CZ 75 I just sold is it had a fairly narrow and somewhat short beavertail, which dug into the web of my hand. In fairness, CZ has a "new style" upswept beavertail that is more akin to the shape of a nice 1911 beavertail, but my gun didn't have it. The M&P's is more comfortable than any of them, in my opinion. It REALLY encourages a nice high hold, and you can really lock the pistol into your grip.

To those who shoot TS models...do you park your shooting thumb up on top of the TS lever, or hold to keep your thumb way wide of that lever? It's a non-issue with 1911s...that lever is far rearward. But with the M&P, it's a great thumb rest...it allows me to keep the pistol locked down in my hand, and it would prevent the TS from accidentally switching on during shooting. But to TS-shooting veterans, is it a big no-no to shoot with your thumb on the lever?