I had a day out shooting with some friends and it was fun. They joked about me not being allowed back because I was doing better than them. lol. But anyway. Back to the subject. I had my first failure to eject today. Just one time with one round left to chamber. I think it was with the 115 Winchester white box ( 99% sure, I was trying different ammo again ). The spent shell stayed in the chamber and bound up the one after that. It was a bit of a chore to get the mag and round out. But after that, the shot shell was easy to remove. Any thoughts on this?

There are two different malfunctions that often get confused. The first is a failure to eject and the second is a failure to extract.

A failure to eject is a round that fired, but failed to clear the ejection port after being extracted from the chamber. This is a Type II malfunction. It looks like this:

Sometimes called a stovepipe malfunction.

A failure to extract is a round that fired, but the empty case stayed in the chamber. This is a Type III malfunction. It looks like this:

Sometimes called a double feed.


From your description it sounds like you had a Type III malfunction. To clear this type of malfunction, follow this procedure:

• Lock the slide to the rear
• Strip the magazine out of the magwell
• Rack the slide at least three times (I'll explain why later)
• Obtain a new mag and insert in the magwell
• Rack the slide to chamber the first round

That is the process to clear a Type III for self-defense purposes. It is good to use it whenever you have this malfunction to ingrain the motions. This way if you ever need to do this while defending yourself, you won't hesitate.

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The failure to extract is exactly what happened. Is there any way to prevent this? Or is it just something that happens on occasion?

I had a problem only with Winchester white box 9mm in my 9c. I compared a round, along with other brands, under a lighted magnifier and noticed the shoulder under the rim on Winchester is not as deep and defined as other brands. The extractor was slipping off, after pulling it part way out. An Apex extractor cured the problem.

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• Rack the slide at least three times (I'll explain why later)

Still waiting

MKE

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

Sorry I didn't respond to this earlier. No, this should never happen. However, mechanical devices have issues sometimes. If this only happens this one time, we can chalk it up to an anomaly. If it happens again, you have a broken gun.

An Apex Failure Resistant extractor isn't a bad idea, but shouldn't be necessary. If it happens again, I'd call S&W first. They will either replace the extractor for you or send you the part. Most likely they'll have you send it in for them to replace.

Press on the extractor with your finger. There should be a decent amount of tension on it. Also, with the slide removed, the extractor should hold a round. If there is no tension or it won't hold a round, it needs repair; might be missing the spring.

OK, I did explain it, but maybe I wasn't clear.

The reason to always rack it three times is for defensive purposes. When at the range, if the round comes out on the first rack, obviously there is no reason to rack it more. However, we want to develop the habit of racking it three times because in an emergency situation we don't want to hesitate.

Just rack it three times. The spent casing already didn't come out on the shot so, it may require a few racks to get it out. In an emergency, racking three times gives you the best chance of clearing it.

Is that better?

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Winchester White Box again.

I always considered this ammo a "range quality" load.

An anecdotal example to share here - a few weeks ago I was at a CCW class where one of the instructors cautioned the students to examine their ammo prior to loading their magazines, told them to check for bullet setback, corrosion, cracks, raised primers, etc.

Later on the firing line a student using a Beretta 92 had two misfires in a row, using this (factory new) ammo. Upon examination, both primers were installed sideways in the case. That was 2 out of one box of 50.

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I would attribute the problem to WWB ammo unless you also experience it with higher quality rounds.

WWB is great for practice in shooting and an occasional malfunction drill.