M&P 2.0 shoots LOW

Pete C

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My M&P 2.0 9mm shoots very low. This isn't a grip problem. If I shoot from a bench rest at 20 yards, it will be 10 to 12 inches low. If stack the sights instead of proper alignment and cover the bulls eye instead of a six o'clock hold, it's only a little low. Are all M&Ps like this? I guess I can get some adjustable sights for it. I like the feel and function of the gun. It just doesn't seem right that it would be this far off.
 
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Here are three different sight pictures.

The first is common, often referred to as a six o’clock or lollipop hold. It is used primarily for target shooting, with a specific size black target at a specific range. It is actually a poor choice, as bullseyes can be of different sizes, at different distances, and the actual alignment can look good but still be imprecise (especially on an all black target without the “crosshairs”) because it is based on being somewhere close to the bottom middle of the edge of a circle.

Number two tends to give more precision because it overcomes most of the weaknesses mentioned above.

Unfortunately, some defensive guns use the third alignment, especially those with three dot alignment system. In truth, the front dot is not supposed to indicate the Point of Impact (PoI). The three dots are just supposed to be sight alignment (SA) aids leading to sight picture #2. But some guns seem to shoot at close ranges using #3. The front sight covers the point of impact because some experts claim you concentrate on the front sight and put it right at the point you want the bullet to go. This works well at close targets, but it obscures the target at longer ranges and makes accurate shots less likely.

Mass manufactured guns usually use #2. However, they are mass manufactured so slight variations in dimensions, lockup, and ammo used can add up to some real PoI variations. The actual distance to target for both Point of AIM (PoA) and PoI can also vary. While many believe 20 yards is a common distance for concurrence, it is often closer.

For you, try some different ammo, such as heavier bullets.
Try a different SA.
Try your SA at 7, 10, 15 then 20 yards.

If all of these suggestions fail, your best option is to use the sight height calculator at Dawson Precision and order a new taller rear sight from the manufacturer of your choice.
 
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I have a pistol that shot way low until I found out it is regulated to a "combat center hold", pic 3 on the previous post. Now it shoots dead on.
Put the white dot where you want the bullet to hit. Simple.
 
Bought a case of 147 grain federal.... it causes all other 9mm but the m&p2.0 to shoot high.....

I'll shoot the heavier Ammo in the 2.0 while sticking with the 115-124 grain ammo in the others.

The heavier ammo raised the point of aim in the full sized 2.0 about 6 inches.... you might give it a try before changing sights.
 
I guess #3 is about the same height as what I was doing. Just doesn't seem right that you have to obscure a target to hit it. My other handguns have adjustable sights and I am accustomed to sight picture #1.

I know most personal defense situations are closer than 20 yards. FBI claims the average is 7, but, I wouldn't train at only that range.

I have tried a lot of different brands of ammo. Mostly 115 and 124 grain.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll experiment some more before buying sights.
 
By no means do I have the experience and knowledge to say which of the various sight holds is correct. I can say though that my various 9mm’s (different MP models) and a couple different brand 22’s all work well for me using #3. Without messing with the sights.
So for whatever reason, I put that front pin/dot on the target and I hit it (or close lol). I never have ran into issues like the OP’s being so far off. Now maybe it’s due to me not even starting his hobby until I was already 50 so perhaps I adapt more to the gun instead of having the gun adjusted to me.
 
I use sight picture #3 for my Sheild. It took me some time to get used to #3 sight picture for my Sig and Sheild semi autos since I was used to #1 (6 o'clock) for my revolvers.
 
These pistols come with combat sights. Meaning you cover the area you want to hit. If you are dedicating to target you can modify or replace the sights. Dawson Precision makes different sight heights. You can send your parameters to them and they will recommend the best one to get you on target with your preferred hold.
 
My 3.6" 2.0 using # 2 sight picture shoots a little low. 1-2" maybe. I just assumed it was me.
I'll have to try 124 vs 147 gr comparisons for accuracy.
 
My M&P 2.0 9mm shoots very low. This isn't a grip problem. If I shoot from a bench rest at 20 yards, it will be 10 to 12 inches low.

It may not be the grip, but when we were doing transition training on the 1.0, we'd see very low left from most folks (me included). Sometimes the left was sight adjustment. The low was the shooter losing patience with the trigger pull and finishing off with a hearty yank. Try a bunch of dry fire. If necessary, put a penny/dime on the top of the front sight to make sure you're not yanking.

Rough operation of the trigger can change point of impact of a handgun in a Ransom Rest or a heavy rifle with a bipod on the fore end and a sandbag under the butt.
 
As I said , I WAS shooting from a rest.

The combat sight and image 3 explanation seem to be the most plausible. I tried that yesterday at the range. By aiming that way and slightly higher, I could knock the plates around on the combat tree and tip over the 8 inch ones at 20 yards. This gun is mostly for home defense, not target shooting. Accurate enough for that, I guess.
 
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