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Just wanted to know if anyone can give some info about release date or any other details without violating NDAs.

S&W Pistol patent published 04-21-2022
Abstract
An action for a firearm uses a rotating barrel on which are mounted lugs and a cam follower. The barrel is positioned coaxially within a tube fixed to the frame of the firearm. A cam, engaged by the cam follower, is also fixed to the frame. A gas space is defined between the tube and the barrel by a thrust surface on the barrel and a reaction surface on the tube. A gas port connects the gas space with the barrel's bore. A slide overlies the tube and defines longitudinally oriented grooves which receive the lugs when the barrel is rotated by interaction between the cam and the cam follower to align the lugs and the grooves. Motion of the barrel is arrested by interaction between the cam and cam follower, and motion of the slide relative to the barrel is permitted when the lugs align and engage the grooves.

BACKGROUND
Low recoil impulse cartridges such as the FN 5.7×28 mm, .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire and .17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire generally do not work well in pistols using the Browning short recoil locked breech actions and require use of blowback, delayed blowback or locked breech gas operated systems for reliable operation. There is clearly an opportunity to improve on the reliability of such actions.
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Looks pretty close to the similar internet bravo sierra reference GLOCK producing an AR type rifle for the British military….

But, hey what do I know?

Regards, Rick Gibbs
 
Rlg#17 said:
Looks pretty close to the similar internet bravo sierra reference GLOCK producing an AR type rifle for the British military….

But, hey what do I know?

Regards, Rick Gibbs
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British Army Rangers looking for new rifle

The Glock AR type rifle likely participated in the tender linked below. How far they got into the selection process, no clue.701577419 - Army Special Operations Brigade RifleProcurement and Support of an Armalite Rifle (AR) platform Alternative Individual Weapon (AIW) System.

Excerpt (under Full Notice Text tab) -

Quantity or Scope of the Contract
II.2.1)
Total quantity or scope
The Authority requires an Alternative Individual Weapon (AIW).

Economic Operators may submit only one AIW System consisting of a Rifle System from one OEM and an Optic System from one OEM. The Rifle and Optic do not have to be the same OEM.

Where an Agent represents an OEM, the agent is deemed to be the Economic Operator under the Framework agreement and therefore can only submit one AIW System.

Anticipated delivery of the trial AIW Systems to a UK MOD Location is required by December 2021 or March 2022 at the latest.

The AIW system must be optimised to be used with a suppressor fitted as its primary configuration. The AIW system will consist of:

1. A Rifle System (comprising of a Rifle and Signature Reduction System); AND

2. An Optic System

The AIW system will be a 5.56mm Armalite Rifle (AR) platform, optimised for use with L15A2, a 62gr 5.56x45 NATO ball round, equivalent to SS109.

An AR platform is defined as being gas operated with a rotating, locking bolt.

The rifle should have a non-reciprocating charging handle.

The rifle’s controls are to include: a magazine release, working parts release and a rotating selector lever that incorporates a safe setting.

The rifle is to have a standard configuration, not bullpup, with the magwell in-front of the trigger housing.

The rifles upper and lower are to be mated using industry standard pivot / takedown pins located at the front and rear of the lower receiver.

Signature Reduction System:

The Signature Reduction System is to be detachable, to enable the operator to configure the Rifle System to meet operational requirements.

Optic System:

The Optic system is to complement the Rifle and should be ballistically matched to the stated ammunition nature and supplied barrel length.

Alternative Individual Weapon System:

As a complete system, the AIW system is expected to perform consistently regardless of its configuration, i.e. with or without a Signature Reduction Device fitted, across all operational scenarios.

This Procurement is subject to the following Staged approached:

Stage 1 - DPQQ Down Select of economic operators to be issued the ITT to be invited to tender for a place on the framework agreement.

Stage 2 - Up to a maximum of six (6) economic operators shall be awarded tasks under the framework to supply and support the trial AIW systems

All Economic operators that have successfully passed the DPQQ stage will be invited to submit a single bid under the framework agreement for the provision of a minimum quantity of 88 AIW systems up to a maximum quantity of 528 AIW systems depending on the number of economic operators.

The economic operators will be reimbursed for the cost of the Supply and support of the trial systems.

Following the outcome of the competition at Stage 3, it is envisaged that those Trials weapons supplied under stage 2 will be utilised by Army HQ to inform the 24-Hr Digital Lethality Project that is in the Concept Stage, therefore offering long-term Value for Money (VFM) to the Authority.

Stage 3 - All Economic operators that were awarded Tasking forms under the Framework agreement for the Authority to procure AIW systems under Stage 2 will be invited to participate in two mini competitions under the framework for the Supply and Support of AIW Systems (One mini competition for the Rifle system and one mini competition for the Optic System) for a period of ten (10) years.

The mini competitions will include: pricing to procure the AIW system, option pricing for additional systems, technical through life support (TTLS) requirements, full evaluation methodology (commercial & technical), and will outline the Safe & Suitable for Service (S3) and User

Trials requirements their systems will be evaluated against.

Following the evaluation at Stage 3:-

One successful economic operator will be awarded a contract for the Rifle and One successful economic operator will be awarded a contract for the Optic. This could be the same economic operator being awarded the contracts for the Rifle system and Optic system to enable the Authority to procure the Full Operational Capability (FOC) circa 3,000 systems with options for the Total Fleet Requirement circa 10,000 Systems.

The corresponding Glock patents for the Glock AR would be
EP3839408A1 - Abzugseinheit f"ur eine schusswaffe
- Google Patents
EP3800425A1 - Carbine with an adjustment device for gas-operated weapons
- Google Patents
EP3800426A1 - Firearm with gas-operated reloading
- Google Patents
US11385008B2 - Bolt catch for a firearm
- Google Patents
EP3835708A1 - Vorderschaft zur klemmenden montage auf eine vorliegende schusswaffe
- Google Patents

The Glock patent for the handguard clamping mechanism (second patent link) definitely looks very similar to the leaked Glock AR photo.

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Glock Confirms the Existence of the AR-15 Glock Carbine

“Glock is always in development of future products and technologies through the pursuit of perfection,” Ainsley Cash Conner, Communications Manager for Glock, told AmmoLand News. “The image shared is of a product developed for select solicitations and it is not available for the general market at this time.”
 
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I'm wondering how much contact there is between the tube and the slide. I'm stumped on their statement regarding gas operated 5.7x28, .17 HMR, and .22 WMR operated guns. I cannot think of any right now. The latter two rounds use way less pressure than 5.7x28, so I'm a little puzzled.
 
Evintos said:
British Army Rangers looking for new rifle

The Glock AR type rifle likely participated in the tender linked below. How far they got into the selection process, no clue.701577419 - Army Special Operations Brigade RifleProcurement and Support of an Armalite Rifle (AR) platform Alternative Individual Weapon (AIW) System.

Excerpt (under Full Notice Text tab) -

Quantity or Scope of the Contract
II.2.1)
Total quantity or scope
The Authority requires an Alternative Individual Weapon (AIW).

Economic Operators may submit only one AIW System consisting of a Rifle System from one OEM and an Optic System from one OEM. The Rifle and Optic do not have to be the same OEM.

Where an Agent represents an OEM, the agent is deemed to be the Economic Operator under the Framework agreement and therefore can only submit one AIW System.

Anticipated delivery of the trial AIW Systems to a UK MOD Location is required by December 2021 or March 2022 at the latest.

The AIW system must be optimised to be used with a suppressor fitted as its primary configuration. The AIW system will consist of:

1. A Rifle System (comprising of a Rifle and Signature Reduction System); AND

2. An Optic System

The AIW system will be a 5.56mm Armalite Rifle (AR) platform, optimised for use with L15A2, a 62gr 5.56x45 NATO ball round, equivalent to SS109.

An AR platform is defined as being gas operated with a rotating, locking bolt.

The rifle should have a non-reciprocating charging handle.

The rifle’s controls are to include: a magazine release, working parts release and a rotating selector lever that incorporates a safe setting.

The rifle is to have a standard configuration, not bullpup, with the magwell in-front of the trigger housing.

The rifles upper and lower are to be mated using industry standard pivot / takedown pins located at the front and rear of the lower receiver.

Signature Reduction System:

The Signature Reduction System is to be detachable, to enable the operator to configure the Rifle System to meet operational requirements.

Optic System:

The Optic system is to complement the Rifle and should be ballistically matched to the stated ammunition nature and supplied barrel length.

Alternative Individual Weapon System:

As a complete system, the AIW system is expected to perform consistently regardless of its configuration, i.e. with or without a Signature Reduction Device fitted, across all operational scenarios.

This Procurement is subject to the following Staged approached:

Stage 1 - DPQQ Down Select of economic operators to be issued the ITT to be invited to tender for a place on the framework agreement.

Stage 2 - Up to a maximum of six (6) economic operators shall be awarded tasks under the framework to supply and support the trial AIW systems

All Economic operators that have successfully passed the DPQQ stage will be invited to submit a single bid under the framework agreement for the provision of a minimum quantity of 88 AIW systems up to a maximum quantity of 528 AIW systems depending on the number of economic operators.

The economic operators will be reimbursed for the cost of the Supply and support of the trial systems.

Following the outcome of the competition at Stage 3, it is envisaged that those Trials weapons supplied under stage 2 will be utilised by Army HQ to inform the 24-Hr Digital Lethality Project that is in the Concept Stage, therefore offering long-term Value for Money (VFM) to the Authority.

Stage 3 - All Economic operators that were awarded Tasking forms under the Framework agreement for the Authority to procure AIW systems under Stage 2 will be invited to participate in two mini competitions under the framework for the Supply and Support of AIW Systems (One mini competition for the Rifle system and one mini competition for the Optic System) for a period of ten (10) years.

The mini competitions will include: pricing to procure the AIW system, option pricing for additional systems, technical through life support (TTLS) requirements, full evaluation methodology (commercial & technical), and will outline the Safe & Suitable for Service (S3) and User

Trials requirements their systems will be evaluated against.

Following the evaluation at Stage 3:-

One successful economic operator will be awarded a contract for the Rifle and One successful economic operator will be awarded a contract for the Optic. This could be the same economic operator being awarded the contracts for the Rifle system and Optic system to enable the Authority to procure the Full Operational Capability (FOC) circa 3,000 systems with options for the Total Fleet Requirement circa 10,000 Systems.

The corresponding Glock patents for the Glock AR would be
EP3839408A1 - Abzugseinheit f"ur eine schusswaffe
- Google Patents
EP3800425A1 - Carbine with an adjustment device for gas-operated weapons
- Google Patents
EP3800426A1 - Firearm with gas-operated reloading
- Google Patents
US11385008B2 - Bolt catch for a firearm
- Google Patents
EP3835708A1 - Vorderschaft zur klemmenden montage auf eine vorliegende schusswaffe
- Google Patents

The Glock patent for the handguard clamping mechanism (second patent link) definitely looks very similar to the leaked Glock AR photo.

imgf0001.png

309451835_1131290167790762_6993755987871703743_n.jpeg


Glock Confirms the Existence of the AR-15 Glock Carbine

“Glock is always in development of future products and technologies through the pursuit of perfection,” Ainsley Cash Conner, Communications Manager for Glock, told AmmoLand News. “The image shared is of a product developed for select solicitations and it is not available for the general market at this time.”
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Pretty funny as well as the 5.7 nonsense. I don’t watch too much boob tube from here or the uk channels. And Ammoland? They seem to be just as bad as the boobtube nonsense. I personally know and speak to employees that are long time employees at GLOCK.

I wish I could remember the canned response they had to memorize since the GLOCK AR nonsense was published. It’s pretty funny. Maybe I’ll see if one of them will send it to me verbatim so I can publish it for you.

There is no GLOCK AR submitted to the UK or anywhere else. Probably as there is no 5.7 Smith being developed from the patent information you submitted from your google source…

But if google says so it has to be right, right? I deleted everything google related off any of my devices a long time ago and a lot of the nonsense stopped showing up in my emails and such. Try DuckDuckGo for a search engine.

So much misinformation out there…

But you do you, Boo!

Regards,
Rick Gibbs
 
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I cannot see any military organization being interested in the 5.7.

Too low powered, really weak compared to the 5.56mm NATO let alone what used to be called "battle rifles", guns with .308 like power. Don
 
DonD said:
I cannot see any military organization being interested in the 5.7.

Too low powered, really weak compared to the 5.56mm NATO let alone what used to be called "battle rifles", guns with .308 like power. Don
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I agree with you. I don't see this as a military product. What I'm wondering is if this 5.7/22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire/.17 Hornady Magnum Rimfire design will be a commercially available product.
 
I have as much interest in a gluck branded ar15 is I do in a gluck handgun . ZERO . Not much interest in the 5.7x25 ether .
 
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Rlg#17 said:
Pretty funny as well as the 5.7 nonsense. I don’t watch too much boob tube from here or the uk channels. And Ammoland? They seem to be just as bad as the boobtube nonsense. I personally know and speak to employees that are long time employees at GLOCK.

I wish I could remember the canned response they had to memorize since the GLOCK AR nonsense was published. It’s pretty funny. Maybe I’ll see if one of them will send it to me verbatim so I can publish it for you.

There is no GLOCK AR submitted to the UK or anywhere else. Probably as there is no 5.7 Smith being developed from the patent information you submitted from your google source…

But if google says so it has to be right, right? I deleted everything google related off any of my devices a long time ago and a lot of the nonsense stopped showing up in my emails and such. Try DuckDuckGo for a search engine.

So much misinformation out there…

But you do you, Boo!

Regards,
Rick Gibbs
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Let me try and explain this to you in a way that might force you to think with an open mind.

I also use DuckDuckGo, and a simple search reveals that Glock has confirmed this(by confirming this I mean the photo being a genuine military prototype), however they have no intentions of bringing it to a civilian market. And why the hell would they? Securing a military contract is far less risky then opening themselves up to civil lawsuits in the civilian market. Just ask Daniel Defense about the Uvalde situation.

Yes there is a bunch of misinformation out there, but it only takes minimal effort with the internet these days to find and vet that information. Rumors about Glock making an AR-15 have been circulating for years, but have been mainly wet dreams of Glock fan boys up until recently. Fact is Glock secured some patents back in 2019, and parallels have been made with the UK contract to suggest an explanation to the patents. Parallels that Glock has genuinely confirmed and made comments on, whether you search with google or your preferred "privacy" search engine.

Outside of this you can continue to speculate. Sure you can have your opinions but that doesn't discount the information that is out there, whether you want to believe it or not is irrelevant.
 
MattLarmore said:
Let me try and explain this to you in a way that might force you to think with an open mind.

I also use DuckDuckGo, and a simple search reveals that Glock has confirmed this(by confirming this I mean the photo being a genuine military prototype), however they have no intentions of bringing it to a civilian market. And why the hell would they? Securing a military contract is far less risky then opening themselves up to civil lawsuits in the civilian market. Just ask Daniel Defense about the Uvalde situation.

Yes there is a bunch of misinformation out there, but it only takes minimal effort with the internet these days to find and vet that information. Rumors about Glock making an AR-15 have been circulating for years, but have been mainly wet dreams of Glock fan boys up until recently. Fact is Glock secured some patents back in 2019, and parallels have been made with the UK contract to suggest an explanation to the patents. Parallels that Glock has genuinely confirmed and made comments on, whether you search with google or your preferred "privacy" search engine.

Outside of this you can continue to speculate. Sure you can have your opinions but that doesn't discount the information that is out there, whether you want to believe it or not is irrelevant.
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Please provide source and person from GLOCK “that confirmed it,” not ammoland, or some tactard or larper that published a photo on the net…

Forcing me is not the issue, providing me with a source that can be verified as legitimate AND can be verified is what you need to do.

Or, you can rely on everything as being fact, because you heard it on the net. You do you, boo. Name and phone number, position and title of GLOCK employee, don’t need their email. If they do work for GLOCK I can find it….

Again, not just some photo on the net, way more then that to convince me that it isn’t internet bravo sierra just like this m&p 5.7 nonsense?

Regards, Rick Gibbs
 
Rlg#17 said:
Please provide source and person from GLOCK “that confirmed it,” not ammoland, or some tactard or larper that published a photo on the net…

Forcing me is not the issue, providing me with a source that can be verified as legitimate AND can be verified is what you need to do.

Or, you can rely on everything as being fact, because you heard it on the net. You do you, boo. Name and phone number, position and title of GLOCK employee, don’t need their email. If they do work for GLOCK I can find it….

Again, not just some photo on the net, way more then that to convince me that it isn’t internet bravo sierra just like this m&p 5.7 nonsense?

Regards, Rick Gibbs
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Forcing you is the issue, because you can't possibly be out of the loop of information right? Your buddies would have certainly told you about it before anyone else knew, you are that important! Nonsense, it sounds like you are letting your bias interfere with your reasoning ability, in which case this is futile.

Saying that "I know employees there" and "I wish I could remember their response" is actually LESS of a legitimate source than anything else(you couldn't even drop their name and title that you are barking for). It's this line of reasoning that discredits you to me immediately.

"providing me with a source that can be verified as legitimate AND can be verified is what you need to do." Wrong again sir. I don't NEED to do anything, the information was already provided to you. "You do you boo" as you so eloquently put it is my suggestion back to you. You were already given the information you are requesting by another member here, you didn't even read the link and articles at all did you?

"some photo on the net" tells me everything I need to know about you and how you think. You are not entitled to any explanation, nor would you be open-minded enough to actually consider an opposing view it seems.
 
MattLarmore said:
Forcing you is the issue, because you can't possibly be out of the loop of information right? Your buddies would have certainly told you about it before anyone else knew, you are that important! Nonsense, it sounds like you are letting your bias interfere with your reasoning ability, in which case this is futile.

Saying that "I know employees there" and "I wish I could remember their response" is actually LESS of a legitimate source than anything else(you couldn't even drop their name and title that you are barking for). It's this line of reasoning that discredits you to me immediately.

"providing me with a source that can be verified as legitimate AND can be verified is what you need to do." Wrong again sir. I don't NEED to do anything, the information was already provided to you. "You do you boo" as you so eloquently put it is my suggestion back to you. You were already given the information you are requesting by another member here, you didn't even read the link and articles at all did you?

"some photo on the net" tells me everything I need to know about you and how you think. You are not entitled to any explanation, nor would you be open-minded enough to actually consider an opposing view it seems.
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Son, believe me. You have neither the b***s nor fortitude to “force” me to do anything. Thinking or otherwise. I did research allah the internet nonsense out there and beyond a, “we reached out to GLOCK and they confirmed”, and that is it.

There is no need to drop names as you call it. I don’t work that way, nor do I have to. I merely asked you to provide a name to actually contact someone to either really, in fact confirm statements made by you. That doesn’t include you going to boobtube or the internet for your information trough.

A grainy picture, various internet sources “confirming” sorry but my being a free thinker, not a millennial relying on such bravo Sierra tells me more then enough that I need to know about you son. You have zero respect for yourselves, let alone others. And certainly talk to people on the net like you would never talk to them to their face. I get that this is the net, and you can act as such. But you are wrong.

Sooooooo, you think you may win, because you have been a sheeple and lined up to the trough of internet information. And maybe given some sass talk to somebody and put them in their place.

You do you, boo twice back at you. Give me some concrete, reliable, AND verifiable information and I will retract my statements and apologize-say I was wrong. My sources, say no.

Regards, Rick Gibbs
 
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