I received a dealer e-mail advertising it as "NEW" at $599. 4.35" barrel and 30 round magazine, long straight grip frame like the 5.7. No mention of it on the factory website.

Did the dealer...jump the gun?

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Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

Optic ready, comes with two 30-round magazines, fiber optic front sight

Looks a lot like a PMR-30.

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SWCA#3597

Nice to see it uses their 5.7 operating system. However, how come it doesn’t come with suppressor threads. It does meet the needs of those who wanted this caliber over 5.7.

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Release the Kraken

It's on the S&W site now

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/mp-22-mag

and there's a 36-second YouTube video

It's Smith's answer to the Walther WMP.

If it is reliable, and that is always the question with .22mag pistols, it should be a lot of fun to shoot.

New Smith & Wesson M&P 22 Magnum Gun Review! - YouTube

Nice! Sootch A/B's it a few times against the 5.7. This WMR has a shorter grip, front to back, which means it ought to feel much better.

Reminds me of something

Looks like the factory planned a business hour announcement for the new M & P, and the gun shop decided midnight of that day worked to start selling it.

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SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

Geez, yak yak yak.

Where's the target, where's the chronograph?

I think everybody has the TEMPO gas handling backwards, including Smith and Wesson. The gas port is in front of the "piston rings", it is driving the barrel back inside the sleeve. It is not gas retarded, it is gas boosted.

I don’t think .22 Magnum is much of an improvement over .22 LR in a handgun. Also consider that .22 Mag cost per round is 3 to 4 times that of .22LR.
Personally, I really dislike the ear-splitting crack .22 Mag makes when fired from pistol-length barrels. Worse than .45 ACP, 9 mm, and .38 Special to my ears, even with hearing protection.

Poo pooers be damned, I want one!

P.S. Well, I did until I saw some damming reviews. Think I'll just sit back and see how things unfold. :-(

I already have an S&W .22 WMR handgun. I'm happy.

John

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Plus one on the need for a threaded barrel. I have several .22 mags but I want this one too.

Dang........Was hoping for a .22mag..... 15/22 with 10 and 25rd mags!

I've had my PMR30 for about 11yrs. Ammo isn't as big an issue once the firearm has broken in. Care has to be taken loading the mags to avoid having FTF's while shooting. I'm sure the same will be said about this M&P model.

The only difference I see between the PMR30 and the M&P is the barrel system on the M&P and I don't see any advantage there. The PMR30 is also over $100 cheaper.

Not knocking the M&P... Just my observations and opinion.

Back in the late 1980s guy at the range let me fire his AMT Automag II and aside from the trigger being one of the heaviest I've ever encountered the muzzle blast bordered on the absurd.

Then the current cost of 22 mag - looking at Midway about $16 bucks is the low end of 22 mag ammo pricing its almost $10 to fully load the 30 round mag. No thanks. Even if 22 mag ammo was somewhat affordable I'll still stick to rifles for the 22 magnum.

At Ballistics by the inch
CCI Maxi Mag 40 gr gave 1353 fps in 4", 1474 in 5"
CCI Mini Mag 40 gr gave 1014 fps in 4", 1097 in 5"

I don't call that "no better."

I have heard it said many times that the Magnum loses so much with a pistol length barrel that it drops down to 22 LR ballistics. However, I have seen many demo's where the rounds were chrono'd and every time the Magnum comes out quite a bit ahead.

I watched a couple of YouTube videos on the gun. Both of them showed the gun to be reliable which was impressive as getting a .22 WMR autoloading pistol to be reliable with the variety of ammo available is no easy task. The one guy who used the term "platform" about 50 times annoyed me. Sootch's review was good, as he always is.

I have an AMT Automag II and it is reliable but only with 40 and 45 grain loadings. It doesn't like the lightweight "MaxiMag" loads at all.

Kudos to S&W for developing it but I can't get over how ugly it is. I just can't warm up to polymer guns and guns with the Glock-like safety lever on the trigger. I'll stick with my old AMT, 6 lb. 10 oz. trigger and all.

I've owned the Kel-Tec PMR 30, also the Kel-Tec CMR 30, 16 in carbine. They both work flawlessly and that pistol has never given me one issue whatsoever. Personally I'm excited to see Smith & Wesson jump on board with the pistol in 22 mag and a 30 round magazine. My two hope that Smith puts out a barrel that would be threaded for suppressor sometime. Looking forward to get my hands on one.

I know Walther has a list of recommended and contraindicated ammo, the 30 gr loads are on the avoid list. I think Smith does, too.

I want to handle one, the magazine has a big potbellied extension to hold 30 rounds. A flush base with 25 might be good to have around.

Does a suppressor make a 22 Mag pistol quiet enough to shoot without hearing protection? It sounds like you already have a suppressor on one of your other 22 mag pistols.

A friend had an AMT Automag II back in the early 90s. The fireball and muzzle blast were impressive, as one would expect from what is basically a rifle cartridge being fired in a handgun. I am sure a suppressor would help but am skeptical I would want to fire one without hearing protection even if it was suppressed.

I am curious about how well it will perform with Short Barrel ammunition such as Speer Gold Dot. Short Barrel ammunition is designed for use in 2” barrel small frame revolvers such as the Taurus 942. The longer barrel should burn the powder more efficiently meaning less muzzle flash.

I am very satisfied with the accuracy and performance of Speer Gold from my little Taurus. (I consider it superior to .38 Spl. Snubbie). I am planning on getting Ruger Super Wrangler and using the .22 Magnum in it almost exclusively for varmint control if it proves to be accurate enough.

I am glad to see old cartridges being given new life.

That would be worth having.

How many of us have Ruger convertible single sixes? I think I’ve put the 22mag cylinder in it once and fired fifty rounds maybe. For what most of us do, punch paper, 22 wmr is a complete waste of money. For small game ok but how many hunt with a polymer pistol?

I’m hoping they adapt the 15/22 to 22wmr too.

I have suffered through a couple of YT.
Influencer Scootch showed no malfunctions.
Honest Outlaw had several failures to feed.

I think the .22 Magnum is an under rated round and the more varieties of pistols that chamber it, the better.

Me too. I’ve got a 648 and a 351PD that I really like, but I don’t think I need a $600 Jam-O-Matic semi auto .22 WMR. I’ve got a $375 PMR30 that will do that.

I'm thinking if they have the system figured out for a semi auto pistol, it should be pretty easy to adapt to the 1522 platform. With this new pistol, I think 1522 magnum rifles and uppers would sell quite well.

Scootch tested Remington and Hornady ammunition.

Honest Outlaw only tested CCI.

I wasn’t impressed at all with Honest Outlaw. Most of his video was him just shooting the gun with no real effort to test for accuracy. All it shows is his particular gun doesn’t like CCI. .22 semi-autos being ammo sensitive is well known.

I have a .22 L.R. Semi-automatic that will not feed Remington Golden Bullet. However it functions fine with three other brands of .22 L.R. So I not trash talk that gun. I will simply use the Remington is my other .22’s

He had trouble with a small sampling of a couple other types of ammo too and he did show that it was incredibly accurate out past 100 yards.

He said he loved pretty much everything about it except the cycling issues, which he also said might clear up with a break in.

He is planning a thousand round review.

I like to see new 22 mag offerings, but have to say that aesthetically this one is not very attractive. Wish it looked more like the M&P 2.0 and less like a Keltec. Where Walther got the WMP right was in making it look and feel like a PDP/PPQ.

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my brother has the PMR30. he uses Federal 50 grain jacketed hollow point and never had a problem with jamming. i've shot it....a little noisy. it's kind of ugly.

I have plenty of CCI 22MAG for my PMR30 but when it wasn't readily available I found Hornady V-Max 30gr to be even better.

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LOOKS good in person. Grip feels odd when you are used to centerfires at shorter OAL. Trigger pull a smooth but heavy roll-off.

Handled a couple today. That didn't occur to me about the grip. It most certainly is shorter, front-to-back, than the 5.7. Felt much better, even 'normal' to me. Perhaps akin to a typical single-stack 1911, P220, P38, etc. Low-price leader today was at 579.

I picked one up a couple of days ago.. Put 100 rounds of Armscor hp's thru it. Fed fine the rounds were not very consistent. About 5 of the hundred were hotter loads.Plan on trying CCI and Winchester and see what works best.

Pick mine up yesterday put a red dot and a rail mounted crimson trace green laser on it shot 88 rds today no hick ups of any kind shot Remington 45gr MJHP shot great going to be a little expensive to shoot but a lot of fun.

Isn’t he one of the YT gun “testers” who thinks it’s OK use a gun straight out of the box without a basic strip and clean? I always have a eye roll attack when one of them says that then has malfunctions during their test.

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Release the Kraken

>>Isn’t he one of the YT gun “testers” who thinks it’s OK use a gun straight out of the box without a basic strip and clean?<<

I agree...this makes no sense to me at all!

I'm a fan of the caliber as well, but a full-size pistol has no appeal for me. I'd love to see the Model 317 Kit Gun or a pistol closer in size to a Shield Plus in .22WMR.

I got one Friday and shot it today. I put a Holosun 507 on it. A couple of things to know is that even though it has the appearance of a full size handgun , it takes a microdot , like for a small carry gun. Also when mounting it , it takes 6x32 x 1/2” screws. These weren’t included with the 507.

Immediately I like it. It like the weight , the feel , the capacity and the performance. To me it’s a better option than the 5.7 for considerably less ammo cost. Personally I had found a deal on a big lot of ammo so it was a no brainer for me.

I didn’t have unlimited time so I only fired 1 box of CCI through it to zero the sight. I really liked it. The magazine is a little tricky to load until you get use to it. I like the operating system and the recoil was very light. It shot very well with no malfunctions.

All in all, very happy with it.

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Put 200 assorted rounds through the New 22magnum. No issues. Great gun. Anyone mount an optic on this yet?? What screws you using. ??

6x32 x 1/2”

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Roger that

Not sure why no 1/2-28 threaded barrel, I contacted them and they apparently have no plans for it at the moment either...

"Hello,

Thank you for contacting Smith & Wesson.
Unfortunately, we have no plans to release this firearm with that configuration; however, we are always open to suggestions. I would be glad to relay your interest to our Marketing & Product Development department for review. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact us at 1-800-331-0852 Thank you and Have a Great Day!

Rebecca"

Carbine next!

And it will probably copy Keltec's CMR30.

No offense intended. I'm sorry but I find your post quit amusing. I have no problem peppering a 5" target at 20yrds with my PMR30 using just the iron sights. I'm sure the S&W model is just as accurate. I certainly haven't considered putting a red dot or laser on my PMR30 and never would've thought of putting both on it. And shooting 45gr MJHP?

Fortunately my PMR30 was grandfathered in before the capacity ban otherwise I would like the opportunity to shoot the M&P model.

Again, I don't mean to offend you and I hope you have years of fun owning your new handgun.