Anyone else check what type of hold these pistols are designed for from the factory?

My M&P 2.0 OR full sized has the factory suppressor height sights and with a laser boresighter at 18 yd, it looks like I need to literally align the dots for a combat hold, to the point where the front post is noticeably lower than the tops of the rear sight (line up the dots). If I do a center hold (where the top of the irons line up) it will have a very high POI.

On the Shield Plus OR with factory night sights, it looks to be center-hold (line up the top of the iron sights). I was expecting a combat-hold like my SIG P365X factory night sights.

6 0'clock hold is what I have to use on my Shield Plus. Works for target and combat shooting for me.

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My M&P 2.0 10m/m 4" is dead on at 25 yds with Sig 180 grain ammo at 1250 fps. Exactly what I want and very accurate and those tall sights are sure easy to see with aging eyes, I like them a lot.

What type of hold are you using with the stock irons at 25 yd?

My M&P 2.0 Compact 3.6" is combat hold. Have 2 range trips on it now, combat hold is it. I too like the tall sights in front of an older fella.

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So when you line up your suppressor height iron sight dots for the combat hold, do you notice the front iron blade/post sitting lower than the tops of the rear irons?


When I line up the dots on the factory low night sights on the Shield Plus and P365X, the tops of the irons are lined up.

My M&P 2.0 front iron sits lower, forms like a "W" when the iron sight dots are lined.

I do indeed, I end up lining up all 3 dots over the target and it is on target. Is this what you are referring to?

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Does the top of your front iron sight post sit lower than the tops of the rear iron sight when you line up the 3 dots?

On my M&P 2.0, the front is noticeably lower than the rears when all 3 dots are lined up. First gun I've seen this happen. Usually when the dots are lined up for a combat hold, the tops of the iron sights are lined up as well.

I see what you are referring to. Yes it does, however, if I really over focus on it, I see what you are referring to. That said, when I line up dots to shoot, I am not focused on it as I am focused on lining up dots. Hope this helps.

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metroplex I learn to change how I hold the sights on a colt huntsman with those little black sights when I was 7 year old to adjust for bullet impact do to distance or ammo used. Now 67 years later I still use that ole "kentucky windage" and elevation for TARGET shooting in general and hunting over my younger years .

For defensive practice sight alinement matters far less and hitting center of mass at 40 yards is not hard to do at 15 yards where even a flash over my sights are not used to place rounds on 8" steels firing quickly . At 25 yards and under I can see my sights are centered or not in my peripheral vision and know I'm well centered on a vital area . As yardage increases I may hold a little higher on target and glance at my sights out 40 yards but defensive shooting is NOT target shooting .

Your sight issue can be adjusted if you feel you need to with a Dawson Precision front sight change to a black front sight or even add a fiber optic front sight .

I can tell you my compact 4" optic ready compact has a front sight of .310 and a rear of .345,, well plus or minus a couple thousandths .

I also have never used a sighting laser and never change sights do to where they impact . I carry a M&P 4.25 40sw or a commander in 45. They print differently but I know that so its not an issue .

I'll shoot a 5 shots at 25 yard group off a bench & handgun rest to see how it groups and where . I will adjust windage if needed
and to check bullet impact , check again with 3 rounds at 10 yards and 40 with the ammo I plan to carry in it and I know how to adjust as needed . Just don't pick a handgun based on where a laser points .

Now just when you think you need the right sights watch the video below -

Thanks. This is what I was looking for. I’m glad I wasn’t going crazy. I am not sure why others haven’t noticed this before

Here's a quick diagram showing what I am seeing

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