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Bodyguard 2.0...
Edit: I have now recieved my Feb/Mar copy of Concealed Carry Magazine in the mail from the USCCA. Check the attached photos.
Besides the advertisement, I can't find any information about it except for trademarks filed by S&W last year for "Bodyguard 2.0 XC" and Bodyguard 2.0 XS"
I called customer service twice today and they haven't been provided with any information.
I dont know if the photo in the advertisement is to scale, but it's the same size as the Shield Plus and it looks like a Shield Plus. Furthermore, the grip length, grip width from front to back, reach to the trigger, and height ratios correlate with a Shield Plus size and not a Bodyguard size gun. Also, the advertisement mentions that it's striker fired, like a Shield Plus.
Versus a Shield Plus, there's some obvious differences that jump out immediately such as front slide serrations, a different grip texture, higher texture on the back of the grip, a stipple pad in the front of the frame, and different texture on the takedown lever.
Beyond that, the trigger guard sits higher in the frame enabling easier trigger access with a high grip. The trigger guard appears slightly larger and the undercut is higher. The trigger shoe is flatter, the over travel stop is in a different location, and the inertial trigger safety dingus is different.
On top of all of that, there are roll pins in new locations vs the Shield Plus which tells me that the internal mechanics of the gun are different... They'd have to be in order to account for how high up the trigger guard sits on the frame. What's becoming clear to be is that the Bodyguard 2.0 is an entirely new gun
My opinion is if this is a Shield size gun, the geometry changes should result in a gun that's more shootable and more controllable for a wider range of people. Many of you know how critical I've been of S&W's quality control from their Massachusetts facility. I'm assuming this new Bodyguard 2.0 will be made in their new Tennessee location.
On the surface, to me, so far the BG 2.0 looks like a winner.
Despite it appearing to be of the size class of the M&P Shield, there's no reason to think S&W won't make an update to the existing Bodyguard in that size class too.
Hopefully we get some conclusive information out of S&W soon.
Edit: On 4/4/24 S&W posted a picture to Facebook showing a M&P Shield made in Maryville TN that has the same existing frame dimensions of the Shield Plus. This means that the Bodyguard 2.0 will be a completely different platform and will not replace the Shield
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Well, that's disappointing... I thought it was going to be an update to the M&P380 Bodyguard, but I suppose it was foolish of me considering that single stack .380 ACP Pocket Pistols are no longer in vogue.
Nevertheless, it seems like an odd decision from a marketing perspective to rebrand what is very clearly a variant of the M&P Shield as a Bodyguard.
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Well, that's disappointing... I thought it was going to be an update to the M&P380 Bodyguard, but I suppose it was foolish of me considering that single stack .380 ACP Pocket Pistols are no longer in vogue.
Nevertheless, it seems like an odd decision from a marketing perspective to rebrand what is very clearly a variant of the M&P Shield as a Bodyguard.
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Maybe there's something we're missing based on how the picture in the advertisement scales.
I dont like jumping to conclusions but it sure does look like an updated Shield. If that's what it is, I don't understand why they wouldn't just name it the Shield 3.0 so as to minimize market confusion.
Hopefully S&W has some YouTubers under NDA who've been quietly testing and evaluating the BG 2.0 and will give us the pitch as to what this thing is very soon.
There may be a larger plan for a product line revamp that'll unfold over the next year as S&W ramps up manufacturing in the new Tennessee HQ. We'll soon see I guess.
Whatever it is, I like the stippling toward front of the frame and I like the front slide serrations.
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03-04-2024, 01:51 AM
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My guess is this is a 380 on the Shield Plus frame.
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They couldn’t just redesign the grip a bit to increase capacity and keep the hammer?
The idea behind the Bodyguard is SIZE, not in making it a Sheild.
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Well that's a potential kick in the teeth, because I've been waiting for a 10+1 Bodyguard Plus. I'm looking at that photo as a complete re-do of the current Bodyguard, changing it to striker fired. A striker fired pocket pistol with no manual thumb safety? No thanks. I'll stick with my hammer fired 6+1 original.
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Well that's a potential kick in the teeth, because I've been waiting for a 10+1 Bodyguard Plus. I'm looking at that photo as a complete re-do of the current Bodyguard, changing it to striker fired. A striker fired pocket pistol with no manual thumb safety? No thanks. I'll stick with my hammer fired 6+1 original.
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S&W may be overhauling their naming convention. They've caught a lot of flack over the years for calling guns that are not duty grade a M&P.
Regardless of the nomenclature, it's still possible that S&W will produce something like what you described.
Whatever their plan is, I just hope that it's a clear plan.
Edit: I called S&W customer service just now and they haven't been provided with any information.
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I saw his video and I don't know what his problem is. It sounds like he blew his interview by taking a confrontational approach and started bringing up grievances posted online by former employees. That's definitely one way to not get hired.
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They couldn’t just redesign the grip a bit to increase capacity and keep the hammer?
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DAO with a hammer is not what sells in the mass market these days. The long pull requires you practice as much as Jerry Miculek to get speed, and that does not work in the modern, instant gratification society. Read the online vitriol directed at semi-auto pistols that have a trigger reset longer than 3/16". It's all about speed for the mass market.
Almost everyone wants the Walther PPQ/H&K VP9 style 80% or more pre-cocked striker because it is so much nicer than most Glock triggers. Guns like those have a short reset so it's go-go-go. The fact that practice is required to get all those rounds somewhere on target doesn't matter to many.
SA with an internal hammer (EZ series, Ruger Security 9/380) seems to baffle many reviewers who end up saying things like, "I cannot believe they got such a good trigger on a cheap, hammer fired gun." Umm OK, Mr Reviewer, didya ever notice that the best triggers are generally on hammer fired guns?
Then there is the peculiar small group who detest internal hammers because, "I cannot see what state it is in." Point out to them that neither can they tell the state of the striker in their Glock, and that special stubborn look appears, you know, the one that says, "Don't bother me with facts." I wish I could make this stuff up.
I would love to know the difference in manufacturing cost between machining the slide for striker operation, and the machining involved in building a concealed hammer system. With the de rigeur fitment of firing pin safeties in the slide, maybe there isn't much difference. Any difference in overall cost would then come down to the difference between the engineering of internal hammer system versus that for a striker sear system. My gut feeling is that the hammer system is cheaper because it uses bigger parts with less demanding tolerances.
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I wish the gun reviewers would have given the CSX a fair shake at launch. They treated it as if it should have a trigger that behaves like a 2011 race gun. Yes there is a perception of a false reset but that's something that can be overcome with just a little practice. I'm eager to see a CSX 2.0 and if S&W can nail the trigger, they won't be able to make enough.
Personally I'd like to see more DA/SA options with firing pin blocks on the market for CCW. CZ's P-01 is in desperate need of a refresh and they're leaving an enormous hole in the market by not doing it. Eventually someone will fill that niche.
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I re-wrote the original post in this thread and added photos. I got my copy of Concealed Carry Magazine today and was able to look more closely at the photo.
I'll re-write it all over again as soon as S&W releases information or as soon as concrete information becomes available.
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Well considering the plus is in 380 supper carry making one in .380acp kinda makes sense, at least from a manufacturing position
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Well considering the plus is in 380 supper carry making one in .380acp kinda makes sense, at least from a manufacturing position
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I'm not on board the 30 SC train. I'd bet money that when this Bodyguard 2.0 launches, it'll either be in 380 ACP or 9mm simply because of the popularity of those two cartridges. Launching the BG 2.0 in 30 SC would guarantee low sales performance in the market until other calibers are available.
The Bodyguard 2.0 appears to be the same size as a 9mm Shield Plus and due to the very high chamber pressure of 30 SC, it needs a 9mm size platform. So, it's not impossible for 30 SC to be one of the options available for the BG 2.0
30 SC launched during the pandemic era ammo shortage. That was about the same time as when anti-gun politicians made clear their desire to ban 9mm and above handgun ammo. I see absolutely no legal, legislative, or political path forward where they'll be able to ban those commonly used cartridges. As a result, the slow death of 30 SC is probable.
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It's about time Smith & Wesson made a Shield in 380...
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The difference that I see.
The 2.0 is an improvement of the original Shield and the Plus is the improvement of the 2.0. if you check the magazine capacity and the triggers you will see the difference. The Plus has more capacity.
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My wife even at 5-2 and 68 years still carry's a 9mm in a kimber ultra or P365xl but for some years she has used a taurus TCP series b as a when a dress id needed carry in a garter belt holster . Last years after a wait and see period she picked up a ruger max 380 and a couple extra 12 round mags .
The ruger max 380 is ever so slightly larger but not enough to matter . The trigger in the TCP is better but both are under 5lb pull weight . There are other double stack options to look at .
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Hopefully, the “xs” will be a .32 ACP! The .30 SC is a great round. The marketing is horrible. My favorite “ It’s an answer…, shoot it first then decide. I was a huge hater initially, until I shot a shield at the rental counter. It is loud, but less recoil than 9. Great accuracy, better controllability. If they put in a Macro or Hellcat pro, heck even in a subcompact you could get crazy capacity. The recoil would be suoer mild in a subcompact weapon and much more enjoyable.
Can’t wait to see what these are about.
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It's about time Smith & Wesson made a Shield in 380...
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Haven’t they been making an EZ Shield?
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Well, attached is a screen shot from a post on Facebook from Smith & Wesson today. An M&P Shield Plus is in the picture, with the same frame as the existing Shield Plus, except it's made in TN
So then this means the Shield isn't going anywhere and this new Bodyguard 2.0 will be something that's entirely new, if they ever get around to launching it.
Editing the title of the thread as a result of the new information
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Heck with “xc” I wonder what an “xs” is? Hope a small pocketable .32. Actually hope both of these are .32.
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Its insane to me, in an age where internet hype can make or break a new product launch, that they have just tossed this ad out there without any follow up, teases, announcements etc.
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Looking at the diminishing 380 bodyguard choices compared to a year or so ago, tells me it will be discontinued in the coming future. I own two, so I'm good to go. This new gun is too big, they-need to stay pocket size.
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I'll stick with the original BG.380love mine flawless
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I think I will stick with my original .380 Bodyguard.
If I want to carry something a little easier to shoot precisely I will carry my Glock 42, which I really like.
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i have 3 of the originals, with lasers, and they're going nowhere as long as i'm still breathing. the BG had a pretty rough start, but i think they're reliable now, and for some reason i find them easy to shoot well. after trying all kinds of ammo i've decided Federal FMJ is a good choice.
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