Are they really malfunctioning as much as I hear? I got to handle an M&P 10mm Comp the other day and I like so much better than the Glock 20. However, there seems to be all sorts of caterwauling about these pistols malfunctioning,,,is this real thing or just people b**ching?

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Mine has been running perfectly

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Mine was a ***,as was the 45 2.0 I had. Key word is had.

Failure to go into battery.
Light primmer strikes.
Stove pipe's.
Poor accuracy.
10mm would drop mags.

This was with both guns.

I got just about most of the issues worked out but gave up and got rid of them.

My 2.0 9mm, and 40 run like a theif.

Use the 9mm for USPSA.

Bought a couple of Walther's and will be also replacing the 9 and 40 eventually because I like them better all around.

When I get another 10mm it will be in a 1911 platform, or an FN510 or both.

I have an M&P 10mm 4.6" I bought new in March of 2022.
It's fired every type of round I've loaded it with and had NO problem except one.

The ONLY problem I've had is with some older Double Tap Hard Cast 200 grain with the wide front tip.
With these older Double Tap Hard Cast 200 grain, it either jams or ejects the magazine.
I suspect the wide front tip of the bullet is hitting the magazine release

Honestly, I love my M&P 40 S&Ws (all 1.0s) but just couldn't disregard the many horror tales about the M&P 10...

Cheers!

P.S.The XDM Elite has been excellent beyond my wildest expectations! Their 45acp Elite Compact quashed any interest in either a Shield or an M&P in that caliber as well. And I'm a big fan of S&W!

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My M&P 10MM PC works fine and accurate. Note I'm running a galloway precision 24lb guide rod. Interesting on a whim I tried a CH Precision machined aluminum optics plate for my holosun vs. the stock plastic adapter and had noticeable improvement in groupings.

For those looking at a 1911 platform, I picked up a Tisas Nightstalker SF in 10mm and extremely impressed w/ its accuracy and quality. Downside is it's heavier and doesn't hold as many rounds as the M&P. Also can't find a kydex chest rig to fit it yet, but hopefully soon.

I've never had a single issue with any of my M&Ps ever. Currently my M&P 10mm has about 1200 rounds of all sorts of mixed ammo through her with no problems at all. Love it.

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Mine has displayed excellent performance.

And though I'm not a hunter 15+1 of Underwood would be a great gun to have on my belt. Don

I have had absolutely no problems with my M&P 10mm.
Only 500 rounds thus far.

I too had problems with jamming, excessive ejection distances, and firing pin swiping on my 4.6" model. like mentioned above i purchased a galloway precision guide rod and nearly all problems were mitigated except for the firing pin swiping on the primers it lessened but is still there somewhat.

Most of the problems I was having showed up when using the true 10 mm loadings from Underwood, Buffalo Bore, and others with high velocitiy rounds and heavy bullets, especially home loads : ).

One thing still causes me problems... with home loads, and the Underwood offerings my trigger finger gets hit something awful! Hurts like the dickens after a few rounds and it's not from hitting the knuckle on the trigger guard, it's on the finger pad... really stings. Maybe it's that new fangled safety trigger thingy? Oh well.

The horror stories I read about the M&P and Sig Xten made me shy away from both for a while. Also I read one M&P owner having horrible CS from S&W that really turned me away. I ended up buying an Xten Comp and it’s been great so far. I have no regrets but if I had ended up buying the M&P I would have saved a few hundred bucks….

I believe the "problems" with M&P 2.0 10mm pistols arose when they were first introduced - in early 2022. Most reported problems with the 4"-barrel models; a few also reported problems with their 4.6"-barrel models. And some, like me, were frustrated by the shortage of S&W magazines for their 10mm pistols. S&W has since built enough magazines to eliminate that shortage. And owners resolved their FTF/FTE issues by replacing the recoil springs. Others identified fixes for defective magazines (I don't recall what those fixes were). There are several threads in this forum where members discuss these issues and their resolutions/fixes.

A former business partner sits on S&W's board of directors. Early in 2023 I called him and asked about reported FTF/FTE problems and magazine shortages with the S&W M&P 2.0 10mm pistols, and S&W's response. He mentioned S&W's issues (1) related to its relocation and (2) arising from the COVID work slowdown. He told me that S&W tweaked the magazine design and changed the recoil springs in the last half of 2022. Those fixes likely began hitting the retailers' shelves early in 2023. That jives with the comments I've read in this forum. Generally, I suspect S&W launched the M&P 2.0 10mm a bit too soon - before it had identified and sorted those problems.

I bought a 4" barrel 2.0 in April 2023. I've had zero problems with it. It is a reliable shooter. And magazines are readily available.

The m&p 10mm debuted in November, 2021. By then all the internet shills had them in hand and were praising them.

I bought mine in Sept. of 2022.

Springer precision 22lb recoil spring and stronger mag springs got mine running again, but it still sucked in the accuracy department, and then came the light primer strikes. Put a Glock 6lb striker spring in it, and it seemed to go away but I didn't shoot it much longer after that.

Glad it's gone.

It was just like buying a boat for me, where the best days are the day you buy it and the day you sell it.

I'm not buying the COVID or the moving excuse though.

Everyone uses that one still. It's getting old.

Anyways if you have a good one, that's outstanding!

Seems like most are having good luck with them vs the ones with issues.

That's the problem with the Internet sometimes is that you're going to get the majority of the problems being posted in the forms, and the people that are having good luck with them don't really mention it unless there's a negative post about them.

For me I'm done with S&W after my bad 10mm and 45 experience's, but that's just me. Doesn't mean I think everyone should not go with them.

I'm not going to be the you shouldn't like what I don't like guy like most here are. Just stating my experience.

Same here. SA nailed their 10mms. Better than Glucks. But I do dislike all the safeties.

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Yes, I got a SA XD-M Elite 3.8" 10mm, and quickly sold my Glock 29.
I also like the available higher capacity magazines that blend in with the grip.

Critch: You are correct, there have been a few Threads complaining about the M&P 10mm 2.0 having failure-to-feed and magazine drop issues. But like oworthsr says, those issues were mostly with the early 4" bbl. versions and S&W had not properly debugged before releasing. I purchased my 10mm 2.0 (4.6" bbl.) in Sept 2022, and have had zero mechanical issues after about 1000 rounds. However, I do not shoot hard cast bullets so I cannot weigh in on shooting them. I have not changed springs or guide rods or done any type of tweaking. The only issue I did have was that the S&W-supplied plastic Red Dot adapter plate worked loose after a couple of hundred rounds, so I replaced it with a C&H metal plate. I've been monitoring the Forum and online blogs, and the S&W 10mm issues seem to have mostly disappeared. Hopefully S&W received enough complaints from consumers that they successfully resolved the problems. I use this pistol for home defense and when traveling, and have complete confidence in its performance and dependability. I would not hesitate to recommend these pistols to potential buyers.

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If you like the way it feels in your hand I would say go for it. I've had my 4.6" nts model for around 2 years, and I have had no malfunctions. I've put everything from federal range fodder up to Underwood 220gr hard cast through it with nothing but fun along the way.

That said, springfield is a good choice for any handgun they offer. I've never shot one and been disappointed(have shot xdm in 9, 40, 45/echelon/xds45).

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Apparently his 10mm M&P worked when needed …. (see attached)

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You beat me to it! I was going to say that if the M&P 10mm can handle a charging Kodiak bear up close, it will certainly work against 2-legged critters as well. This guy obviously had confidence in his pistol!

S&W M&P 10mm Pistols: Prevalence of the Magazine Drop Malfunction | by Mark | Medium

^I documented my experience with mag ejections, and the experiences of other people, as well as I could at the link above. This was clearly a very real, very serious problem that, to my knowledge, S&W never addressed. I love M&Ps and I'm tempted to try again, with the hope that S&W has addressed the problem by now. I'd feel more confident if they would just be transparent about their mistake and what they did to fix it, though.

I LOVE the 10mm, have an M&P 10mm 4.6", and have other models of 10mm pistols.
But do some checking around and you'll see he was VERY lucky to have killed a kodiak bear with a 10mm pistol before it got him.

And the "unlucky" ones never post. Wonder why?

More luck?

A dose of proper Best Meter (real 10mm ammo), with proper shot-placement, will put the big bruins down.

Fact, my dudes.

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As a 10mm fan, the Smith 10mm is intriguing. However, my G29 runs perfect, mags are cheap and plentiful, quashing my desire to look further.

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I’ve owned over 75 handguns in my life and my 4 inch M&p 10 millimeter is currently my favorite out of all of them. It fits my hand great, recoil is not bad and the trigger is the best of any striker fire gun I’ve ever tried. It’s better than my SIG 365 and 365 XL. My 120 pound wife loves shooting it also and she’s very accurate with it and I’ve had zero malfunctions. I think I bought it in February or March 2023.

Without knowing the story it's hard to say how much was luck involved.
If the bear was rushing him, and he was able to kill the bear with just a handgun, without it laying a paw on him before it died, he WAS lucky.

Exactly.. Too many folks I fear have a false sense of security when it comes to what a 10mm readily can/can't do. More rounds, less weight, get it. Compared to a 41 mag or 44 mag, not close.

I'm going to pass along some good advice my wise old daddy gave me ...

... " Boy ... Don't believe anything you hear ...
and only believe half of what you see . "

What he was telling me was be careful of hearsay ... try things out for yourself and see what the truth is ...
A lot of folks just like to bash anything or they don't really know what they are talking about .

Grab a M&P in 10mm and ... Choot It , then decide !
Gary

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T’ain’t luck when you get the intended result.

Dead bear ——-> right there.

I'll reserve my opinion til after I hear the account of how the "Dead bear ——-> right there" happened. LOL :-)

I have a Performance Center 5.6 inch and the gun is outstanding! Glocks are not even in the same stratosphere as my Performance Center

And now for the rest of the story.

I KNEW there had to be more to this story, and that it was unlikely he killed this bear with just a 10mm pistol.

Here's the order of firing from the story.
Link to the story is below.

(Quote from the story)
"To recap the ordering of fire, it is as follows:

• Tyce hits the bear with a rifle to begin the tracking process.
• Guide fires two shots from his rifle as the bear charges them.
• Tyce fires three shots at the bear with his 10mm.
• One final shot from a rifle as it's down for the count to put an end to it."
  
  Hunter Who Shot Charging Kodiak Bear With Pistol Shares Details | OutKick

My 10mm M&P has worked exactly as expected. Same as all the other Smiths old and new I have in my 2 gun safes.

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Mine has been flawless !

I recently bought the 4.6", and love it.

To ADD a report to this, I recently ran across this webpage where this problem was claimed to be fixed with an Apex Failure Resistant Extractor, and a Springer Precision Extra Power magazine spring.
S&W M&P 2.0 10mm - FTF Fixed and lessons learned - AR15.COM

I bought an Apex Failure Resistant Extractor and installed it, in hopes of making progress toward getting the 200 grain hard cast to cycle reliably.
I've done nothing to this pistol but add the new extractor to see what difference IT ALONE makes.

A week ago last Friday, I test fired the pistol with the new extractor and the older Double Tap Hard Cast 200 grain.
It did a nose hitting the top of the chamber jam on the 3rd shot.

I next fired a magazine of Sellier & Ballot 180grain JHP without incident.
Next, I had somebody else fire a magazine of the Sellier & Ballot 180grain JHP, and he had the magazine drop out once.

UP until now, the Sellier & Ballot 180grain JHP had worked perfectly for me.

SO a few days ago I got in some Springer Extra Power magazine springs and installed them, as my magazines are the ones that came with the pistol in March of 2022.
I've seen reference in some places that S&W increased the strength of the magazine springs in the current ones.
Will test again and report back.

Yep..S&W screwed around while nearly every other gun maker was making 10s. I got tired of waiting on em' and bought the XDm Elite. It has been perfect for me as well. The grip is much more comfortable than the G29 I carried for years (and sold shortly after getting the XDm). I love it, and so glad to have avoided dealing with the alleged M&P 10 issues.
Thanks for pointing me elsewhere, S&W!!!!

I have 600-700 rnds thru mine with zero issues. Very accurate.

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It's not just "b**ching" in my case and IS the real thing.

I LOVE the M&P platform and have two M&P 40/357 pistols that are great dependable pistols.
They fit my hand like a glove.

But my 4.6" 10mm that I bought new in March of 2022 has had problems shooting 200 grain hard cast without jamming and dropping the magazine.
And recently even began having trouble reliably shooting S&B 180 grain JHP which it never had trouble with until recently.

I believe maybe due to the magazine springs getting weaker from use.
I'm finding reports that S&W has stronger magazine springs in the newer magazines.
So I got in some Stringer Precision magazine springs for my original early magazines and will try them out soon to see if it fixes the problem.

On what round of how many?

Still has? The "magazine drop out" for "somebody else"?

Not to hijack this thread but I bought my first Walther, a PPS M1 when S&W was selling them (“Thin is In”). An accurate & reliable pistol that I like so much that I bought a PPS M2 to keep it company and if I was in the market for a full size pistol Walther is the first pistol I’d look at (to keep company with my P1).

While I dont claim to be an "expert" in this category. I will tell you that my collection is predominantly 10mm pistols (23 to be exact) I mostly collect metal framed 10mms and I without hesitation pick my Smith and Wesson 5.6 Performance center 99 percent of the time. The pistol just feels to be an extension of myself. I have well over 3000 rounds of full power 10mm...125 grain double-tap, 130 grain- 180 grain Underwood, buffalo core to hardcast....not one issue.....I did one modification which was a $8 magazine spring for my extended magazines....21 rounds of 200 grain Underwood or my favorite Hornady 155 grain American Handgun keeps my mind at ease..... I love this pistol

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It was in the middle of shooting a full magazine.

It was my son in law, who is in no way a novice shooter.

The point is, as much as I like this pistol, it has issues.
The main one from the beginning, it won't shoot 200 grain hard cast without jamming/dropping the magazine.
So it's useless as a woods pistol.

It's easy enough to find many accounts of dropped magazine and jamming malfunctions going back to the early versions of this pistol and early magazines, which mine is.

I have both the 4.6" and 4". They both worked fine for about 200 rounds each, then had intermittent problems going into battery - regardless of ammo.
I swapped out the magazine springs with MUCH stronger Springer springs and since then - after an additional 300 +/- rounds each - I have had ZERO problems feeding any kind of ammo.
S&W has to know about this problem, and they should be more responsive about it. It was annoying to track down the issue and implement a solution that I had to pay for.

I got some Springer springs installed in my 10mm magazines.
Haven't had a chance to try them yet.
They definitely are stronger than the springs in the four I got early in 2022.

Only thing is with them, I only have my fingers to load them, and on three out of the four magazines I have, I can only get 14 rounds in the magazine.
Only one will take all 15.

I need to get a magazine loader of some kind that will let me push them down enough to get the 15th round in.

I don't own one but my uncle bought one (2.0) A few months ago and he can't stop talk about how much he likes it. Never has had an issue, feeds it all types of ammo. It has become his main carry pistol now.

You might ask your uncle if he's ever fired 200 grain and larger hard cast bullets with wide flat tips with it?

But as was said by oworthstr in post #13 of this thread, the early bugs may have been dealt with.
I know I still don't trust my early (March 2022 bought) 10mm 4.6" enough to carry it.

From post #13
"...A former business partner sits on S&W's board of directors.
Early in 2023 I called him and asked about reported FTF/FTE problems and magazine shortages with the S&W M&P 2.0 10mm pistols, and S&W's response.
He mentioned S&W's issues (1) related to its relocation and (2) arising from the COVID work slowdown.
He told me that S&W tweaked the magazine design and changed the recoil springs in the last half of 2022.
Those fixes likely began hitting the retailers' shelves early in 2023. ..."

Hard to beat the Tisas Yukon 10mm. Concealment is a breeze. Feels great in the hands. Shoots even better. Accurate.

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