New to the forum, seeking your collective wisdom. I have an MP10 with a Magpul MOE mid-length handguard, 9.18" long, fits perfectly. In the never-ending quest to improve my eventual long range accuracy, when I can eventually put the long range time in, I want to free float. I have spent hours reading all of the info available, mostly about the 308 options, i.e. Troy, PRI, JP, et al. I want a 9" tube in FDE. The Troy would be great, but they have no 308 9". Then the light bulb went off. If the Magpul MOE fits, and it is a standard AR15 barrel nut handguard, why can I not use the Troy Alpha 9" AR15 barrel nut compatible handguard? It is the lightest on the market, one of the strongest, priced well with included rails. I would like to keep the gas block where it is, but if there is a 1/2 or less inch fit problem, I could get a low profile block. Please give me your opinions/advice. Thanks
Why can't I use an Ar15 free float handguard...?
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Seems like it would be money better spent to upgrade from the pencil barrel to something more accurate before "accurizing" with a free-float handguard. Food for thought.
Seems like you'd just be polishing a terd...
Seems like you'd just be polishing a terd...
MK3, you may want to contact troy industries for better explanation. I have the Troy Alpha on my MP15TS. This handguard has 3 latches that slide into the gap between the barrel and the barrel nut on the 5.56mm barrels. On 7.62mm barrels, this gap does not appear to exist. Hence, the 308 model handguard uses a different latch setup.
copemach: My gunsmith didn't seem to have trouble. I didn't have a barrel nut tool so he did it.
Desert Fox: My thinking was that the thinner barrel would be more prone to distortion without free float. I like the lighter weight.
apiccola: Yes, I am contacting Troy and S & W. Thanks.
Desert Fox: My thinking was that the thinner barrel would be more prone to distortion without free float. I like the lighter weight.
apiccola: Yes, I am contacting Troy and S & W. Thanks.
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You find it difficult to hit the broadside of a barn with?
I am not sure of your level of experience, but certainly sounds like user error to me.
Granted it is no Surgeon, but hitting golf balls at 100 yards is easy as long as you are using decent ammo and a fair optic.
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You are completely full of it..."minute of softball." How about you learn how to shoot before spreading bad info around.
To the OP and anyone else who cares, here's what the M&P10 will do accuracy-wise with a 9X hunting scope:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/87859750@N03/10924793356/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/87859750@N03/10924793356/ by ASH556, on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/87859750@N03/10925017023/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/87859750@N03/10925017023/ by ASH556, on Flickr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/87859750@N03/10925016403/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/87859750@N03/10925016403/ by ASH556, on Flickr
Oh, and here's my shooting setup:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/87859750@N03/10925284043/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/87859750@N03/10925284043/ by ASH556, on Flickr
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Oh, and the reason you can't use an AR15 handguard on your M&P 10 is because the threads on the receiver are different. The factory barrel nut has similar enough external dimensions and delta ring assembly to an AR15 that standard and Magpul handguards will work, but free float handguards typically use proprietary barrel nuts, so the threads are different and it won't work.
You are completely full of it..."minute of softball." How about you learn how to shoot before spreading bad info around.
To the OP and anyone else who cares, here's what the M&P10 will do accuracy-wise with a 9X hunting scope:
M&P10 grp 4 by ASH556, on Flickr
M&P10 grp 3 by ASH556, on Flickr
M&P10 grp 2 by ASH556, on Flickr
Oh, and here's my shooting setup:
Untitled by ASH556, on Flickr
Nice shootin, Tex...
You call that accurate? I do believe my M&P15-22 is more accurate at 100 yards than that! See ya at the mall...It seems you are trying to obfuscate your original post.
You stated that you found it difficult to hit the broad side of a barn with the M&P 10. Ash556 proved that his was more accurate than that.
There are more accurate firearms out there and the 15-22 might be one of them, but the M&P 10 is an accurate firearm for what it is. If you cannot accurately place shots with yours, it would suggest user error.
You stated that you found it difficult to hit the broad side of a barn with the M&P 10. Ash556 proved that his was more accurate than that.
There are more accurate firearms out there and the 15-22 might be one of them, but the M&P 10 is an accurate firearm for what it is. If you cannot accurately place shots with yours, it would suggest user error.
Nice shootin, Tex...
I'd call it pretty darn accurate, considering he is shooting off a knapsack from the bed of a pickup. I'd say the setup could well account for the fliers. What would the rifle do from a solid bench? Decent shooting, Ash556.
What we've seen here is performance from the M&P10 that is simply alright. This is by doing side by side comparisons of the M&P10 vs.:
M14 standard issue
R25 (to represent the AR approach, says Remington but really DPMS)
FNAR (.5 MOA guarantee out of the box, also was the Winchester SXAR or now the Browning HogTracker)
Bolt actions left out as to be doing apple to apple comparison. Don't have a SCAR 17 or Colt LE901 to test with, yet. Test subjects have run the gamut from unsuspecting pieces of paper to white-tail, mulies and speed goat. While none of the paper nor ungulates complained, observation over repeated sampling left a pretty predictable order of finish. From most to least accurate for 7.62x51 launching platform:
FNAR - heaviest barrel
R25 - fluted heavy barrel, no suppressor, free float
M14 - National Match or something other than standard would probably place this higher
M&P10 - pencil barrel
While the M&P10 has some nice ambi features, I'd be hard pressed at recommending for purchase based on the results seen in such comparisons. Not read in the mags or forums but actually tested over time with varieties of ammo.
Photos of the M&P10 with the free float hand-guard sure make it look better than the factory plastic furniture, by a long shot. How much better does it shoot with the free float compared to stock? This is something I have not tested personally.
M14 standard issue
R25 (to represent the AR approach, says Remington but really DPMS)
FNAR (.5 MOA guarantee out of the box, also was the Winchester SXAR or now the Browning HogTracker)
Bolt actions left out as to be doing apple to apple comparison. Don't have a SCAR 17 or Colt LE901 to test with, yet. Test subjects have run the gamut from unsuspecting pieces of paper to white-tail, mulies and speed goat. While none of the paper nor ungulates complained, observation over repeated sampling left a pretty predictable order of finish. From most to least accurate for 7.62x51 launching platform:
FNAR - heaviest barrel
R25 - fluted heavy barrel, no suppressor, free float
M14 - National Match or something other than standard would probably place this higher
M&P10 - pencil barrel
While the M&P10 has some nice ambi features, I'd be hard pressed at recommending for purchase based on the results seen in such comparisons. Not read in the mags or forums but actually tested over time with varieties of ammo.
Photos of the M&P10 with the free float hand-guard sure make it look better than the factory plastic furniture, by a long shot. How much better does it shoot with the free float compared to stock? This is something I have not tested personally.
Desert Fox, shooting from a quality bench rest, there is no apparent difference between the Magpul MOE handguard and the Apex free float handguard. The grouping at 100 meters is right at .5 MOA with a cold barrel. This grouping gets tighter as the barrel gets hotter and stays tight well through 5 full 20 round magazines (100 rounds). With the original handguard on the MP10, the group was totally erratic ... I totally get what you meant in a previous post elsewhere about not being able to hit the broadside of a barn with the MP10 (as it relates to shooting with the OEM handguard).
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I too am going to keep the original gas block and have decided on the apex 9 inch, 9 ounce hand guard. You can cerakote the handguard magpul FDE.
Well then I must commence on a free floating of the M&P10! Yes, the stock handguard setup is what I was taking issue with, not necessarily the angel hair barrel. Thanks for the info! Maybe I'll hit the barn yet with the dern thing...
Sorry to be so long in replying, but have been living at Miami Children's Hospital with my little 7 year old daughter the last 10 days. This solution appears to be the best. A cycling buddy who is the SWAT sniper leader on a local PD tells me they have selected the MP10 for their 308, as have many other PD's. That is a good enough endorsement for me.
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OK, apologies for this necro thread but I had to add:
Swapped out standard factory hard guards with a Lancer carbon fiber unit. End weight was about the same as the Lancer barrel nut is beefy/heavy. OMG. What a difference. Accuracy is completely within my expectations for this gun. The recoil impulse feels different as well. Not sure why.
Thanks to those who pointed me in this direction as I had just about given up on this one.
OK, apologies for this necro thread but I had to add:
Swapped out standard factory hard guards with a Lancer carbon fiber unit. End weight was about the same as the Lancer barrel nut is beefy/heavy. OMG. What a difference. Accuracy is completely within my expectations for this gun. The recoil impulse feels different as well. Not sure why.
Thanks to those who pointed me in this direction as I had just about given up on this one.
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